No. A business owner *always* retains the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, even if those reasons are hateful and/or irrational.
I know you think that should be the situation, but that's by no means the general law. I think most States have some form of anti-discrimination legislation that prohibits business owners dealing with the general public from discriminating on the basis of certain characteristics.
There are many things which I think should be different than they actually are; this is only one of them. I always support the right of people to be hateful to one another because that allows them to clearly identify themselves as "haters" and gives us the opportunity to avoid dealing with them or allowing them into our lives. People are like cats--we just don't like each other very much. I already accept this but many people still try to think that we should always all get along with each other. Weird.
For people to go out of their way ( I'm talking in this forum) to bash or try to discredit someones religious beliefs is unnervingly abhorrent. To think that in this day and age of understanding, there is still hate for things that we don't understand. Yes to have a debate is educational when people who are partaking are open and accepting. Jesus did preach love and acceptance, things that are missing in today's society on all sides.
Hate is an ugly monster that will, in the end, consume us all.
@Grond0 I'm sorry. I wasn't personally offended by you. I'm anger I quoted your post as an example of people pushing against one type of criticism and it wasn't even a really related.
"There are a million gods and a thousand religions, but the one I was indoctrinated to follow since birth is the only real one."
Its the one that's held up to my research so far. It also matches my personal ethical code remarkably well. I was raised in a Christian home, but I never converted for family or acceptance.
@TakisMegas "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:" (Luke 12:51)
The hate is strong with you. I still love you though.
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more
I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is.
And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.
Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?
Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?
@TakisMegas "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:" (Luke 12:51)
CONTEXT MAN TO RESCUEEEEEE!
This phrase relates specifically to the division that occurs when groups are divided by belief. As can be seen in this forum. Remember that Jesus was known for teaching in parables. Most things that are worth discussion bring about many different feelings and responses in people. If everyone's reply to it was "meh" Christianity and every other religion, would have died out long ago.
@Matthieu The "church" during the dark ages was all politics. They broke their own doctrine and even prevented others from being able to read it for the sole purpose of political advantage. It was all politics. But hey, go ahead and continue the poorly researched sweeping hate filled generalizations. I mean "Love you neighbor." screw those guys amirite? We don't need any of that here.
Hate, hate, hate... was a nasty word. It's not even appropriate. I don't care what people believe you know. Some people even made a Jedi religion and you know, I don't hate them. I don't think it's any sillier than any established churches in the first place.
My only serious concern is when some religions, sects especially, fill people's brains with nonsensical crap and destroy them from within, often abusing people in distressing situation, but it's another matter.
No man, I don't hate religion, nor religious people. People are more complex than to be reduced to faith and religion itself? Nay, I don't hate it, I think it's useless and ridiculous, so I don't hate more than I hate the H in Hawaï you know.
However, a conversation is ongoing and I am as entitled as anyone here to give an opinion, and I don't think I'm the most virulent guy here.
For people to go out of their way ( I'm talking in this forum) to bash or try to discredit someones religious beliefs is unnervingly abhorrent. To think that in this day and age of understanding, there is still hate for things that we don't understand. Yes to have a debate is educational when people who are partaking are open and accepting. Jesus did preach love and acceptance, things that are missing in today's society on all sides.
Hate is an ugly monster that will, in the end, consume us all.
You know, there is a Polish saying: hit the table and the scissors will sound. I'd say you pretty much went out of your own way with your previous comments regarding other religions in this thread.
I was talking about extremist governments. Big difference.
In Greece they have a saying about scissors too, don't run with them.
"There are a million gods and a thousand religions, but the one I was indoctrinated to follow since birth is the only real one."
Its the one that's held up to my research so far. It also matches my personal ethical code remarkably well. I was raised in a Christian home, but I never converted for family or acceptance.
And that's great for you @ThacoBell. What isn't great is when your religion starts interfering with other people. Like when your religion says gays shouldn't marry, so you refuse to bake a cake for a gay marriage even though it's your damn job to do so. Or when someone says your god isn't real so you burn them at the stake. Or when your religion says the prophet shouldn't be drawn, so you pick up an AK and shoot someone who drew him. Or when your religion says cows are sacred so if you see a starving person eating one you'll kill him. Or when *insert an example of every single damn religion on the planet*.
People are free to believe in flying pink unicorns as far as I'm concerned. But as soon as that belief starts messing with other peoples lives or with the progress of humanity as a whole then it needs to be stopped. Religion has done absolutly nothing for humanity that couldn't have also been acomplished with education and respect for your fellow man. Except wars and death, religion is pretty good at that.
I'm sure you're a good person @ThacoBell, I've seen your posts and I have no doubt about that. But that goodness comes from you, not god. That goes for everyone else in this thread. I'll be leaving the religious argument now before it turns sour. Anyone that wants to keep going at it can hit me up in private.
@Dev6 I have no problem discussing or critisizing religion, its when people start insulting people over it that I take umbrage.
@Matthieu "Hate, hate, hate... was a nasty word. It's not even appropriate. I don't care what people believe you know."
Yet you went on a multiparagraph tirade about it and even dared mods to ban you over it. If that isn't hate filled, it was at a bare minimum filled with spite and mean spirited.
As I said, I am entitled to have an opinion like anyone here and many here did it in much less subtle manner.
Also not answer someone's points and simply dismissing any form of discussion (which of course you are fully entitled to do) by calling that comment hateful, well it's a disingenuous thing to do I'd say. But again, it's just my opinion.
I have a lot of quotes if you're into it. I am simply making the point that people who make the claim that Jesus was (is portrayed in the bible as) all lovey dovey love thy neighbour are mistaken. Perhaps we should jump straight into revelations?
Anyway, last time I checked the topic was about politics and related feeling in countries.
Bibi (Netanyahu) is in France today. I wonder what he will have to say but he's coming to an hostile environnement and I don't expect he'll have much to put on the table to sway France's position.
I have a lot of quotes if you're into it. I am simply making the point that people who make the claim that Jesus was (is portrayed in the bible as) all lovey dovey love thy neighbour are mistaken. Perhaps we should jump straight into revelations?
Yeah I saw that after, it's a quote an answer between you people. That was weird though I was at first "Zeus' thunder struck me?".
Anyway, last time I checked the topic was about politics and related feeling in countries.
Bibi (Netanyahu) is in France today. I wonder what he will have to say but he's coming to an hostile environnement and I don't expect he'll have much to put on the table to sway France's position.
He said he has two things to talk about, Iran and Iran.
Well, considering Macron isn't known for dodging issues, he's going to have to talk about Gaza too. Let's recall Macron did mention Ukraine, Crimea, and the use of propaganda tool right in front of Putin and cameras. I would be extremely surprised if there isn't a joint conference and Macron doesn't mention the issue.
As for Iran, again I don't see what's to discuss, France has already expressed its opinion and I don't see what Bibi can add that would change the table.
I have a lot of quotes if you're into it. I am simply making the point that people who make the claim that Jesus was (is portrayed in the bible as) all lovey dovey love thy neighbour are mistaken. Perhaps we should jump straight into revelations?
And to talk about our southern neighbours, it's official, the average Spaniards is now wealthier than the average Italian.
Doesn't mean though Spain is performing like a beast though. I really wish Italians could fix their governmental system, it's a bloody mess no one understands and certainly not the Italians. It's a beautiful country full of nice people and one of the best cuisine on earth, it doesn't deserve the torrent of crap it receives.
I have a lot of quotes if you're into it. I am simply making the point that people who make the claim that Jesus was (is portrayed in the bible as) all lovey dovey love thy neighbour are mistaken. Perhaps we should jump straight into revelations?
I have a lot of quotes if you're into it. I am simply making the point that people who make the claim that Jesus was (is portrayed in the bible as) all lovey dovey love thy neighbour are mistaken. Perhaps we should jump straight into revelations?
Let's avoid pious declarations of our own capacity for love and understanding, lest we accidentally imply that other people are not as wise and good and loving as we are.
It can come off as less of a statement of sympathy and more of a condescending boast. "I am wise and kind enough to forgive you for your ignorance and cruelty."
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For people to go out of their way ( I'm talking in this forum) to bash or try to discredit someones religious beliefs is unnervingly abhorrent. To think that in this day and age of understanding, there is still hate for things that we don't understand. Yes to have a debate is educational when people who are partaking are open and accepting. Jesus did preach love and acceptance, things that are missing in today's society on all sides.
Hate is an ugly monster that will, in the end, consume us all.
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more
I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is.
And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.
Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?
Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?
Hateful times.
This phrase relates specifically to the division that occurs when groups are divided by belief. As can be seen in this forum. Remember that Jesus was known for teaching in parables. Most things that are worth discussion bring about many different feelings and responses in people. If everyone's reply to it was "meh" Christianity and every other religion, would have died out long ago.
My only serious concern is when some religions, sects especially, fill people's brains with nonsensical crap and destroy them from within, often abusing people in distressing situation, but it's another matter.
No man, I don't hate religion, nor religious people. People are more complex than to be reduced to faith and religion itself? Nay, I don't hate it, I think it's useless and ridiculous, so I don't hate more than I hate the H in Hawaï you know.
However, a conversation is ongoing and I am as entitled as anyone here to give an opinion, and I don't think I'm the most virulent guy here.
In Greece they have a saying about scissors too, don't run with them.
Like when your religion says gays shouldn't marry, so you refuse to bake a cake for a gay marriage even though it's your damn job to do so.
Or when someone says your god isn't real so you burn them at the stake.
Or when your religion says the prophet shouldn't be drawn, so you pick up an AK and shoot someone who drew him.
Or when your religion says cows are sacred so if you see a starving person eating one you'll kill him.
Or when *insert an example of every single damn religion on the planet*.
People are free to believe in flying pink unicorns as far as I'm concerned. But as soon as that belief starts messing with other peoples lives or with the progress of humanity as a whole then it needs to be stopped.
Religion has done absolutly nothing for humanity that couldn't have also been acomplished with education and respect for your fellow man. Except wars and death, religion is pretty good at that.
I'm sure you're a good person @ThacoBell, I've seen your posts and I have no doubt about that. But that goodness comes from you, not god.
That goes for everyone else in this thread. I'll be leaving the religious argument now before it turns sour. Anyone that wants to keep going at it can hit me up in private.
@Matthieu "Hate, hate, hate... was a nasty word. It's not even appropriate. I don't care what people believe you know."
Yet you went on a multiparagraph tirade about it and even dared mods to ban you over it. If that isn't hate filled, it was at a bare minimum filled with spite and mean spirited.
Also not answer someone's points and simply dismissing any form of discussion (which of course you are fully entitled to do) by calling that comment hateful, well it's a disingenuous thing to do I'd say. But again, it's just my opinion.
Bibi (Netanyahu) is in France today. I wonder what he will have to say but he's coming to an hostile environnement and I don't expect he'll have much to put on the table to sway France's position.
As for Iran, again I don't see what's to discuss, France has already expressed its opinion and I don't see what Bibi can add that would change the table.
Doesn't mean though Spain is performing like a beast though. I really wish Italians could fix their governmental system, it's a bloody mess no one understands and certainly not the Italians. It's a beautiful country full of nice people and one of the best cuisine on earth, it doesn't deserve the torrent of crap it receives.
Netanyahu received at the Elysée palace. Contrasting with Putin and Trump who were received at Versailles.
LOL
It can come off as less of a statement of sympathy and more of a condescending boast. "I am wise and kind enough to forgive you for your ignorance and cruelty."