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The cheapest (unfair) fights and encounters in the BG saga contrasted with the "fair" fights.

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  • VanDerBergVanDerBerg Member Posts: 128
    Pretty much. Coming back to the subject, I also find some random encounters to be most unfair ones. Especially, as pointed before, encountering wyerns on the way back from Cloakwood mines. Which happens almost every time.

  • ilduderinoilduderino Member Posts: 593
    Umm, has anyone else noticed this thread has completely derailed? I don't think the topic was "bards".

    Is there a really unfair fight against a party of bards?

  • jmerryjmerry Member Posts: 869
    No, because you hardly ever fight bards. A complete list of bards you're likely to fight in the series:
    Silke
    Fuernebol (doppelganger form in Durlag's Tower)
    Meronia.
    Dermin.
    Zara (level 4, in Dorn's ToB quest)

    Joker (Black Pits 2 final battle, and you get the chance to poison him into uselessness)

    Unfair fights... That drow lich Deirex, after I laid two spike traps before the dialogue fired in my first visit. Davaeorn, those times I silenced him from out of sight. The mists in that cabin in the forest of Tethir, with Enhanced Bard Song active.

  • sarevok57sarevok57 Member Posts: 5,267
    VanDerBerg wrote: »
    Pretty much. Coming back to the subject, I also find some random encounters to be most unfair ones. Especially, as pointed before, encountering wyerns on the way back from Cloakwood mines. Which happens almost every time.

    i actually love fighting wyverns in the cloakwood area, they offer great XP and their heads bring in 500 gold each

    now when it comes to unfair getting waylaid by enemies;

    basalisks, especially greater ones, where you have absolutely no time to prepare what so ever

    although with the lesser ones you can use command on them to get 1 free round to prepare yourself, the greater ones require a bit more luck ( although a wand of paralyzation works well here, but its not 100% guaranteed )

    ThacoBellDinoDin
  • PokotaPokota Member Posts: 684
    edited July 12
    ilduderino wrote: »
    Umm, has anyone else noticed this thread has completely derailed? I don't think the topic was "bards".

    Is there a really unfair fight against a party of bards?

    BG1NPC also adds one hell of a Bard fight to Garrick's sidequest (which rewards you with a special elven chainmail that doesn't suppress arcane casting)

    ThacoBell
  • MaurvirMaurvir Member Posts: 687
    Oh, that cabin in the forest of Tethyr was insane. My first party got insta-nuked in there repeatedly.

  • sarevok57sarevok57 Member Posts: 5,267
    Maurvir wrote: »
    Oh, that cabin in the forest of Tethyr was insane. My first party got insta-nuked in there repeatedly.

    the one with all the mists? yeah i remember the first time i went in there, almost had the same case scenario, that is why mass invisibility is your friend with its +4 saving throw bonus to all team mates :)

  • jmerryjmerry Member Posts: 869
    Or, as I noted, EBS. Party-wide immunity to confusion, so the Mist Horrors can't affect you with their Chaos spells. Party-wide immunity to normal weapons, so that nothing in there can hit you with their attacks. The only way they can even hurt you... vampiric mists occasionally cast Larloch's Minor Drain for four damage.

    I much prefer fights that are unfair and terribly cheap in my favor.

  • sarevok57sarevok57 Member Posts: 5,267
    jmerry wrote: »
    Or, as I noted, EBS. Party-wide immunity to confusion, so the Mist Horrors can't affect you with their Chaos spells. Party-wide immunity to normal weapons, so that nothing in there can hit you with their attacks. The only way they can even hurt you... vampiric mists occasionally cast Larloch's Minor Drain for four damage.

    I much prefer fights that are unfair and terribly cheap in my favor.

    kinda hard to do when you don't have a bard on team...

  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 11,122
    sarevok57 wrote: »
    jmerry wrote: »
    Or, as I noted, EBS. Party-wide immunity to confusion, so the Mist Horrors can't affect you with their Chaos spells. Party-wide immunity to normal weapons, so that nothing in there can hit you with their attacks. The only way they can even hurt you... vampiric mists occasionally cast Larloch's Minor Drain for four damage.

    I much prefer fights that are unfair and terribly cheap in my favor.

    kinda hard to do when you don't have a bard on team...

    Moral of the story, always have a bard on the team.

    sarevok57
  • ilduderinoilduderino Member Posts: 593
    edited July 13
    It’s a shame that none of the bards in BG or BG2 appeal characterwise as much as other characters. I try to make room for Garrick but he rarely makes the final cut. Never liked Eldoth or Haer’dalis.

    A good bard npc was one of the best things about SoD.

  • MaurvirMaurvir Member Posts: 687
    Haer'dalis is actually an interesting character. I just never found a use for him in the party.

    sarevok57
  • ilduderinoilduderino Member Posts: 593
    edited July 13
    Not really a fan of his character and find all the name calling pretty annoying, though I like that he clocks on to Yoshimo

  • DinoDinDinoDin Member Posts: 851
    Hm, personally I find Haer Dalis obscenely strong from a combat role standpoint. The offensive spin spell is essentially akin to the fighter whirlwind HLA and as such can mow down some of the tanky enemies out there. Combine that with his ability to cast wizard protections, and you have an almost unfair member of the party, especially in terms of SoA combat.

    ThacoBell
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 11,122
    I'm always the bard, so I almost never use bard companions.

  • scriverscriver Member Posts: 1,946
    Never the bardsmaid, always the bard

    energisedcamel
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