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Baldurs Gate 3 (spoilers!)

ballsackattackballsackattack Member Posts: 27
edited September 2014 in General Discussion (Spoiler Warning!)
Inst-ed of making a icewind dale enhanced edition bemdog should focus on a baldurs gate three. There could be much potential if done right. Make a good story. For example take us back to the sword coast, no bahllspawn but a simple peasent. Have different paths such as ability to join flaming fist army and rise to war with amn and ecentually become king. Or a theif who rises to the greatest assain in the land. there could be many more, baulders gate three will make money. nuff said
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  • EldmoreEldmore Member Posts: 22
    I know... It's to early to ask but... I need to know ... Is there any chance we see bg3? Trent said that bg3 was their ultimate goal... Personaly I'd love to see BG3.
  • OcculusXOcculusX Member Posts: 99
    Do you happen to have the sales figures for BGIEE or BGIIEE off the top of your head? If we could figure out what the budget was for either BGI, or BGII originally; there might be a good chance that we could use the sales figures to determine if they have the budget to do it.

    The sticky part becomes estimating the effects of contracting. What percentage of their sales go to them vs goes to the previous owners of the franchise? I can't imagine Wizards of the Coast letting them do this without taking a cut of the profits.

    I, for one, was really excited about being able to play these games again on my mac... but how many others actually went out of their way to buy these enhanced editions? There may have been a small number of people who were actually interested... I don't know. On the other hand, if it sold at profits 5 times greater than the original, then chances of having a BG3 should be high, you know?

    I hope I've contributed more with this response than just fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
  • wesleytcongwesleytcong Member Posts: 2
    While most people believe BG3 should be either start at the end of TOB or with an entire new protagonist, I'd rather think that SoA is not over. After the defeat of Irenicus, the Cowled Wizards have their little gathering, stating that CHARNAME is becoming too powerful. I believe that is where BG3 should begin. The only question would be as to whether slayer mode would still be allowed OR would the devs decide slayer mode was destroyed in order to kill Amelyssan's essence.
  • KharadorKharador Member Posts: 215
    NO
  • ArthainArthain Member Posts: 17
    BG3 won't be in between SoA and ToB. While there are loose ends to tie up there, that'd be better handled as DLC than a full game. There's just not enough content to play with. Besides, by the time you finish SoA the Cowled Wizards can't really do anything to you.

    And after ToB? The only thing I can think of is CHARNAME's son/daughter. Can't use CHARNAME because by that point in time she/he's either a God, or powerful enough that they might as well BE a God.

    That could develop into a lot of interesting stories, the writers would be free to do whatever they wanted in that situation.
  • FrkunFrkun Member Posts: 52
    Actually it'd be nice that the story of BG3 started as BG1. CHARNAME predicted his death and breed a lot of children to inherit his power. We could find the child of all the characters in previous games. And the story could move to who killed Baal, and who wants to kill CHARNAME.

    But somehow I think it would be nice to see some child from old characters.
  • DurenasDurenas Member Posts: 508
    wesleytcong said:

    While most people believe BG3 should be either start at the end of TOB or with an entire new protagonist, I'd rather think that SoA is not over. After the defeat of Irenicus, the Cowled Wizards have their little gathering, stating that CHARNAME is becoming too powerful. I believe that is where BG3 should begin. The only question would be as to whether slayer mode would still be allowed OR would the devs decide slayer mode was destroyed in order to kill Amelyssan's essence.

    Those weren't cowled wizards. The symbol of Bhaal is etched into the table. It's more reasonable to assume they were an early version of the Five.
  • MungriMungri Member Posts: 1,645
    Story doesn't matter to me, not as much as wanting a new game with BG's gameplay, classes, character development and spells.

    But any such newer game is always far too much simplified.
  • EldmoreEldmore Member Posts: 22
    Mungri said:

    Story doesn't matter to me, not as much as wanting a new game with BG's gameplay, classes, character development and spells.

    But any such newer game is always far too much simplified.

    I wish they stick to D&D rule if they ever make a BG3. Maybe 5th edition?
  • MungriMungri Member Posts: 1,645
    No way, 2nd edition and same spells as BG or Im not interested. All the later editions werent as good, at least not when turned into PC games.
  • TvrtkoSvrdlarTvrtkoSvrdlar Member Posts: 353
    edited November 2013
    They should use Kickstarter to crowd fund it.

    I'd easily drop upwards of $500 if it meant BG3 would get a shot at being made.

    Seriously, Kickstarter is their best bet. Wasteland, Eternity, and the new Torment will re-ignite an RPG renaissance. The devs could ride this wave and easily get upwards of 3 million dollars. BG is one of the most beloved role playing games out there; most people would sell their newborn to see BG3.

    The question, as always, is timing. They should launch their BG3 Kickstarter a month or so after Obsidian's Eternity comes out. And I'm sure the devs are buddy-buddy with the guys working at Obsidian, so they could also get help with the tools, and get guys like Avellone as stretch goals. Also, Unity is their best bet for an engine.

    In the meantime, they should keep themselves afloat by selling DLCs for BG1EE and BG2EE. I'd pay good money to have a large expansion a la ToB. They could do this to earn a nice chunk of change - make a huge DLC that expands ToB. Most people would happily buy it.

    The demand is out there - all they have to do is capitalize on it! :)

    edit: oh god, the typos ><
  • TethorilofLathanderTethorilofLathander Member Posts: 427
    What about...BG3 being the same time as BG1 but you play as Sarevok, from travelling to Candlekeep (before the start of the entire game) to meeting Winski Perorate and Tamoko. We all know how the story will end but if it were to be written correctly, we could have people finding a somewhat sympathetic liking towards Sarevok.

    Plus a little plot twist in there happening during the time you deal with the Cloakwood Mines would be interesting (i.e. Sarevok nearly killed).
  • TvrtkoSvrdlarTvrtkoSvrdlar Member Posts: 353
    edited November 2013
    TethorilofLathander said:

    What about...BG3 being the same time as BG1 but you play as Sarevok, from travelling to Candlekeep (before the start of the entire game) to meeting Winski Perorate and Tamoko. We all know how the story will end but if it were to be written correctly, we could have people finding a somewhat sympathetic liking towards Sarevok.

    Plus a little plot twist in there happening during the time you deal with the Cloakwood Mines would be interesting (i.e. Sarevok nearly killed).

    Most people wouldn't want to play *as* Sarevok.

    However, people would *love* to have Sarevok as a partymember! :D

    While your idea is pretty cool (and would make an awesome mod), it robs people of choice.

    This worked for PS:T because TNO had a unique background, but it wouldn't really pan out in a BG game.

    Personally, I think they should bring back Charname, but make some coterie of gods or greater powers strip him/her of his/her divinity. Charname would be cast out and left for dead on the Prime Material after an epic clash in the heavens. However, instead of dying, Charname (being Charname :D) gets up, dusts off his/her clothes, and vows vengeance. Let players start the game at level 10, and make it so it goes into the truly godlike levels (up to 50)

    Also, set it during or right after the Spellplague. NWN2 Mask of the Betrayer was incredibly popular because it had that whole melancholic, edgy feel to it, which was both a product of the writing *and* the atmosphere. The Spellplague is perfect for this; insane mages, broken heroes, cast-down gods, ect.

    If they don't want to bring back Charname, then his/her kid would be the next logical choice.

    Also, work the Bhaalspawn taint into the story again, and bring back long-lived PCs like Viccy.

    Including some kind of Bhaalite cult that hunts the protagonist would be cool as well.

    Just my $0.02 :)
  • FablewyndFablewynd Member Posts: 79
    TvrtkoSvrdlar said:

    They should use Kickstarter to crowd fund it.

    I'd easily drop upwards of $500 if it meant BG3 would get a shot at being made.

    Seriously, Kickstarter is their best bet. Wasteland, Eternity, and the new Torment will re-ignite an RPG renaissance. The devs could ride this wave and easily get upwards of 3 million dollars. BG is one of the most beloved role playing games out there; most people would sell their newborn to see BG3.

    The question, as always, is timing. They should launch their BG3 Kickstarter a month or so after Obsidian's Eternity comes out. And I'm sure the devs are buddy-buddy with the guys working at Obsidian, so they could also get help with the tools, and get guys like Avellone as stretch goals. Also, Unity is their best bet for an engine.

    In the meantime, they should keep themselves afloat by selling DLCs for BG1EE and BG2EE. I'd pay good money to have a large expansion a la ToB. They could do this to earn a nice chunk of change - make a huge DLC that expands ToB. Most people would happily buy it.

    The demand is out there - all they have to do is capitalize on it! :)

    edit: oh god, the typos ><</p>

    I believe they aren't allowed to use Kickstarter, or there is some issue with using Kickstarter to fund a Baldur's Gate III. They could probably do it for their own IP game, though, if they wanted to try that, but as far as BGIII, I doubt it.

    I would love it if they could do it, I just fear that they can't.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    Hehe. They should really have a section of the forum just for speculating on BG3 (or their next project).
  • AkihikoAkihiko Member Posts: 213
    Heh, I remember when I was on the Saints Row 2 forums a long time ago, they actually forbade us from talking about Saints Row 3.
  • TvrtkoSvrdlarTvrtkoSvrdlar Member Posts: 353
    @Fablewynd

    Have they said so, or is it merely forum conjecture?
  • ValendaleValendale Member Posts: 34
    Oh god I hope the decision of whether or not to make BG 3 isn't based entirely on how well the Enhanced Edition does.

    Why? Because Baldur's Gate 2 has already been out for more than a decade, everyone's already played it and the complete original game is cheap on GoG. A lot of people may not be too enthusiastic about spending $20+ on a game they've already played and can get cheaper on GoG, even if it does have a couple of extra goodies.

    Especially not if it breaks most of the mods and is really hard to install mods on, which is a problem I've been having. Basically what I'm saying is that it's completely unreasonable to gauge how well BG3 would do on how well this Enhanced Edition sells.
  • ValendaleValendale Member Posts: 34
    TvrtkoSvrdlar said:

    They should use Kickstarter to crowd fund it.

    I'd easily drop upwards of $500 if it meant BG3 would get a shot at being made.

    Agreed
  • FablewyndFablewynd Member Posts: 79
    @TvrtkoSvrdlar I remember asking Trent a while back, when they were working on BG:EE and he said something to that effect. I'll try and find what was said. I'm almost certain it's been mentioned by others that Kickstarter is not really an option.
  • marcerormarceror Member Posts: 577
    I can see no reason to retype my opinion, so I will continue to lazily link to it: http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/23436/beamdog-shouldn-t-make-bg3-they-should-crowd-fund-their-own-game/p1
  • scorpiovascorpiova Member Posts: 87
    I won't comment on 5th edition... but 4th edition is an acclaimed disaster, if anyone from this company is reading, don't use fourth!
  • jones0901jones0901 Member Posts: 51
    it seems like a good time for D&D owners to announce something like this. as scorpiova said, the 4th edition was terrible, they are in the process of rebranding, and they want to cast for a wider audience. with the success of the kickstarter rpgs, Beamdog has a great case to present. it doesn't even have to be baldurs gate, per se, just something in the forgotten realms that keeps the 2d isometric, the tactical combat, and most importantly, the story/character first approach.
    that being said, I hope they are done with CHARNAME, as the main story...you've already strove with gods, what is left? the overall narrative could be interesting to integrate into another story, but I want to start as lvl 1 again and actually struggle to get stronger....most games have lost this, in DA, fallout, Kotor, etc you don't fear the enemies early on, their just a means to get to a higher level. I wanns go back a be scared of that bear or that wolf I met in the forest.
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    Arthain said:


    And after ToB? The only thing I can think of is CHARNAME's son/daughter. Can't use CHARNAME because by that point in time she/he's either a God, or powerful enough that they might as well BE a God.

    I think you could use Charname him/herself. Simply say that, after ascension, the other Deities rebel against him/her and ultimately defeat Charname. The character is sent back, naked and powerless as a level 1 character and with only limited knowledge of what happened before.

    Alternately, there is nothing saying they couldn't have the player create a whole new character who, when faced with the devastation of the Bhaalspawn war and then the sudden disappearance of Charname, must investigate what 'really' happened. That way you would have some kind of impact on the same 'Universe'.

    Just some idle ideas to kick around.
  • bman86bman86 Member Posts: 115
    jones0901 said:

    it seems like a good time for D&D owners to announce something like this. as scorpiova said, the 4th edition was terrible, they are in the process of rebranding, and they want to cast for a wider audience. with the success of the kickstarter rpgs, Beamdog has a great case to present. it doesn't even have to be baldurs gate, per se, just something in the forgotten realms that keeps the 2d isometric, the tactical combat, and most importantly, the story/character first approach.
    that being said, I hope they are done with CHARNAME, as the main story...you've already strove with gods, what is left? the overall narrative could be interesting to integrate into another story, but I want to start as lvl 1 again and actually struggle to get stronger....most games have lost this, in DA, fallout, Kotor, etc you don't fear the enemies early on, their just a means to get to a higher level. I wanns go back a be scared of that bear or that wolf I met in the forest.

    DEVS, read this mans post!! Somuchwin.jpg

    Start at lvl 1 and progress upwards over successive sequels/expansions. Baldur's Gate 2.0, but with a new story, better graphics (eg unity), more classes races, abilities...ah, the possibilities are endless!

    As previously mentioned, the enhanced edition has no doubt only captured a handful of the rabid Infinity Engine fandom. A new successor set in the forgotten realms is a WHOLE new ball park

  • blainedeyoungblainedeyoung Member Posts: 13
    The playing experience of the Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale games was really valuable. You should make an improved set of these games. Planescape, Ravenloft, Spelljammer, new stories. Updated to the current rules.
  • DregothofTyrDregothofTyr Member Posts: 229
    Imagine if infinity engine games were as popular as modern military shooters? One for each 2e campaign setting....if there's an afterlife, that's what I would like it to be.
  • ThunderSoulThunderSoul Member Posts: 125
    wesleytcong said:

    While most people believe BG3 should be either start at the end of TOB or with an entire new protagonist, I'd rather think that SoA is not over. After the defeat of Irenicus, the Cowled Wizards have their little gathering, stating that CHARNAME is becoming too powerful. I believe that is where BG3 should begin. The only question would be as to whether slayer mode would still be allowed OR would the devs decide slayer mode was destroyed in order to kill Amelyssan's essence.

    Absolutely NOT.
    The story for charname has ended with ToB. The saga has finished. No way should the saga be re-opened.
    Someone ban this person from posting.
  • MacHurtoMacHurto Member Posts: 731
    edited April 2014
    I actually laughed. Maybe it lacks a smiley or something but it is obviously not meant seriously

    On an unrelated issue, are those guys cowled wizards? I thought they were supposed to be the Five when the devs had thought they would be the Seven (all Enid Blyton related of course)
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