Is there a toned down version of Ascenscion

Darkcloud

While the new dialogues and options seem interesting the rest of the mod just seems to be overly brutal. I already have the SCS components for that which should be more reasonable at least with my setup without the spell caster and demon boost. Ascencion on the other hand seems to be downright brutal...

DJKajuru

I toned down the final battle a bit using Near infinity, by adjusting the final bosses hit points to their class/level and certain items. I didn't change any scripts , though.

Is that what you're looking for?

Darkcloud

That seems like a good start but the whole mod seems like it makes all battles way harder and to an extreme level. The ones in SCS seem reasonable in comparison.

DJKajuru

Could you specify the elements that make it insanely hard? The hell minions, the Five , the first battles?

Darkcloud

Well I have not tried them but all of them sound a bit extreme. How are they compared to the SCS improved versions (without smarter mages) and how hard does the combination of the improved battles from SCS with Ascension get?

Maybe I was just wrong because they sound so extreme.

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wubble

I believe @Cuv plans to include a toned down version of ascension when he's finished revamping it, unfortunately last I heard it wasn't going to come out until after Adventure Y. Still from the sound of it it should be awesome when he's done.

Musigny

Stratagems(SCS) "Smarter ToB final villain" + Stratagems(SCS) Improved Fiends and/or aTweaks improved fiends might be what you are looking for.
There is an additional parameter in the stratagems.ini to prevent the fiends from casting instantaneously.
And in the aTweaks mod there are console options to control some features (such as gating).

Edit : without installing ascension.

Cuv

Or you can simple install 'just' Ascension. The Improved Battles included are NOT part of the actual Ascension mod, they were bulk packaged with it when it went Weidu. The final fight is meant to be challenging, but its not that hard if you use the new bhaalspawn powers and have a strategy. Also having convinced either Balthazar or Bodhi to join your fight helps a ton. just my two cents

But yeah, I am hoping to have a more toned down version eventually of the final fight for those that just want the new story elements but don't want to be pulling their hair out trying to figure out the best strategy.

A few tips I can recommend:
Send Balthazar to face Abazigal by himself to keep him busy. Take out Illasera asap, cast imprisonment on Yaga Shura - just so Sendai will cast Freedom - while she is busy destroy her, Gromnir can be taken out at any time (he really isn't a factor), now finish off Abazigal if Balthazar hasn't. Finally take out Yaga Shura which will trigger Melissan's enabled death. Done.

Grab the time stop immunity early as you can (Focus) and be ready for Sendai and Abazigal. When Melissan summons demons - use your Control Demon power to take them away from her. I had 56 of her demons in one playthrough, makes the fight super easy.

Plenty of other strategies out there - I never had a very hard time winning this fight - challenging yes, but wouldn't call it hard.

Darkcloud

I did not know that the additional difficulties other than the final battle were optional. That helps a lot and the final battle seems to be doable with the additional help.

I will probably use Ascension in the next play through because installing it now will probably break things. Even though changing SCS components later did not do that but Ascension would be totally wrong in the install order.