Sure, why not? More content is always good. And, if folks are worried about the Edwin and Baeloth duo laying waste to the Sword Coast, just make them mortal enemies who can't travel together like Neera and Eddie.
@DragonKing Unless I am mistaken, Edwin's amulet modification is counterbalanced by the fact he no longer gets the bonus spell from conjurer specialization, which in the end is the exact same as if he had the bonus spell from specialization and the BG1 amulet. He does not get 3 extra spells per level.
He gets +2 bonus spells from the amulet on top of his bonus spell from mage specialization. So compared to Nalia or Imoen (if they were at the same level) he could have 3 more spells memorized at each spell level.
Just doublechecked that, and he indeed does, which indeed makes me look dumb Whatever, if that's the case, then I can hardly see why anyone would chose Baeloth over Edwin besides RP purpose. As for those who would pick both, I guess it would be just like Aerie/Edwin or Imoen/Edwin which is already available and quite strong.
I like him. he reminds me of the Joker from Batman. (mark hamil joker) I wish he had more to say sometimes.
he was pretty powerful but I wouldnt say OP. I think the only thing that's OP'd in this game the massive amounts of experience it's fans have in playing it. Why duo the game with a fighter thief mage + him
Perhaps if I got to kill him but probably not. I actually really started to hate him in Black Pits 2. The NPC who was him was just...so obviously him. JUST SO INSANELY OBVIOUS! And I couldn't call him out on it and it drove me fuckin' mad. Then when he revealed who he was I was all "FINALLY" then suddenly a dumb-ass cliff hanger.
Perhaps if I got to kill him but probably not. I actually really started to hate him in Black Pits 2. The NPC who was him was just...so obviously him. JUST SO INSANELY OBVIOUS! And I couldn't call him out on it and it drove me fuckin' mad. Then when he revealed who he was I was all "FINALLY" then suddenly a dumb-ass cliff hanger.
I liked him in BG1. Not so much in BG2.
I hated him in both, I mean seriously... Dude you forced a Geas on me to fight, then lose to me. Just to fucking come back and annoy the shit out of me. I wish I could've wold surged him into a golden statue and then meltes him down into pieces and give him to the homeless!
Tough call - I would hope he'd have more to do than in "The Black Pits 2" because I don't even know what that was supposed to be...
It was suppose to be a multi layered plot that never fell through. Sadly I hated his involvement in it all together, you handed his ass to him once even when he had a beholder and a cat person backing him. Hell he even said of he knew you'd be so much trouble that he would've left you were he found you. So why he would go out of the way to capture you again after you destroyed the winged and her allies is beyond me. Nothing less than the power of God could possibly help him in a rematch.
So the fact he would show up to recatch you all just makes no sense at all. Especially when the djinn he enslaves is now siding with the player again, and as already said, you took on and beat creatures even greater than him. Unless he has a Tarrasque or A Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon Ascendant (do these even exist in the forgotten realms?) I don't see how the fool stands a chance of a rematch likewise.
Gameplaywise, thousands of things can be done to make him a hard fight.
He was both entertaining and powerful, so what's not to like? Besides, the lack of a sorcerer npc is annoying. As for his ring... nowhere near Edwin's amulet so what's the problem with it?
I hated him in both, I mean seriously... Dude you forced a Geas on me to fight, then lose to me. Just to fucking come back and annoy the shit out of me. I wish I could've wold surged him into a golden statue and then meltes him down into pieces and give him to the homeless!
And yet we are ok with teaming up with our half-brother that killed our father, tried to kill us and wrecked havoc across the Sword Coast as he attempted to start an all out war... with friends like these, who concerns themselves with a geas?
In my honest opinion, if the original SoA npc's were the EE ones, such as Baeloth and Neera, I don't think I would have enjoyed it as much as I do with Jaheira, Imoen , Minsc or Yoshimo.
I hated him in both, I mean seriously... Dude you forced a Geas on me to fight, then lose to me. Just to fucking come back and annoy the shit out of me. I wish I could've wold surged him into a golden statue and then meltes him down into pieces and give him to the homeless!
And yet we are ok with teaming up with our half-brother that killed our father, tried to kill us and wrecked havoc across the Sword Coast as he attempted to start an all out war... with friends like these, who concerns themselves with a geas?
Wait, what? The hero of the black pits and the bhaalspawn are not the same people. As far as the player goesw, yea my evil character didn't care, his revenge was had once he killed sorevak the first time and now saw him as a useful tool. My true neutral character, forgave him and told him he couldn't join his group.
I hated him in both, I mean seriously... Dude you forced a Geas on me to fight, then lose to me. Just to fucking come back and annoy the shit out of me. I wish I could've wold surged him into a golden statue and then meltes him down into pieces and give him to the homeless!
And yet we are ok with teaming up with our half-brother that killed our father, tried to kill us and wrecked havoc across the Sword Coast as he attempted to start an all out war... with friends like these, who concerns themselves with a geas?
Wait, what? The hero of the black pits and the bhaalspawn are not the same people. As far as the player goesw, yea my evil character didn't care, his revenge was had once he killed sorevak the first time and now saw him as a useful tool. My true neutral character, forgave him and told him he couldn't join his group.
Probably, but not certainly... in any event, more to the point: if a character can forgive someone who killed his father, tried to kill him and killed countless others than it seems unreasonable that a character could not forgive someone that merely placed a geas upon him and annoys the shit out of him.
No, it's certain - the Black Pits story is happening at the same time as the start of BG1; his defeat there is what teleports Baeloth to the surface, and he doesn't recognize the player as the person/group who "killed" him.
Nah. I don't dislike Baeloth, per se, but the game has plenty of characters already. I would take him if he was free, but no particular reason to spend money.
I hated him in both, I mean seriously... Dude you forced a Geas on me to fight, then lose to me. Just to fucking come back and annoy the shit out of me. I wish I could've wold surged him into a golden statue and then meltes him down into pieces and give him to the homeless!
And yet we are ok with teaming up with our half-brother that killed our father, tried to kill us and wrecked havoc across the Sword Coast as he attempted to start an all out war... with friends like these, who concerns themselves with a geas?
Wait, what? The hero of the black pits and the bhaalspawn are not the same people. As far as the player goesw, yea my evil character didn't care, his revenge was had once he killed sorevak the first time and now saw him as a useful tool. My true neutral character, forgave him and told him he couldn't join his group.
Probably, but not certainly... in any event, more to the point: if a character can forgive someone who killed his father, tried to kill him and killed countless others than it seems unreasonable that a character could not forgive someone that merely placed a geas upon him and annoys the shit out of him.
again they AREN'T the same person. How would that even work? When Gorion died, was the first time you even leave candlekeep. You would be far more powerful then you actually are if you had fought and beat baeloth.
Not to mention, he would recognized you when you met on the surface, and you would've recognized him.
again they AREN'T the same person. How would that even work? When Gorion died, was the first time you even leave candlekeep. You would be far more powerful then you actually are if you had fought and beat baeloth.
We have not seen anything that lists a specific timeframe for the Black Pits; without which, it is simply not possible to conclusively state the relative order of events. Ignoring of course, all the options of changing events; chronologically or otherwise. Indeed, the BG campaign itself can last longer than the recorded length of the entire trilogy! 'Time' need not be linear after all...
There is plenty of time between leaving Candlekeep and the 'accepted proper' end of BG to be abducted... in fact if you head straight for Baeloth's location he will not yet be there!
[this of course ignores that using the console one can indeed participate in the Pits as part of a BG play through]
Not to mention, he would recognized you when you met on the surface, and you would've recognized him.
Again, this would be a great argument in the real world lacking in event altering magics; not so much in a world where they not only exist but are routinely used. We are not saying that an imprisoned Djinn would deliberately wipe someone's memory while reviving them after being freed, but even in the real world people resuscitated after death often suffer memory loss. In any event, we in fact do recognize him when we see him...
Therefore it seems stupendously silly to simply slid to the conclusion that it is utterly impossible.
Therefore it seems stupendously silly to simply slid to the conclusion that it is utterly impossible.
Well, okay then. I mean, you're factually incorrect, in that the game text spells things out very clearly and you're choosing to ignore that, but that's your business. I'll just leave this here:
Therefore it seems stupendously silly to simply slide to the conclusion that it is utterly impossible.
Well, okay then. I mean, you're factually incorrect, in that the game text spells things out very clearly and you're choosing to ignore that, but that's your business. I'll just leave this here:
And yet with never having supposedly met him before you just happen to know that a dijinn rescued him... or who & what Najim is... Well, okay then. We mean you are not necessarily factually incorrect, in that the game text does not really spell anything out very clearly and you are choosing to ignore that, but that is your business.
But hey, at least that video is proof of something: why the awesomeness that is Baeloth should be in BG2!
And yet with never having supposedly met him before you just happen to know that a dijinn rescued him... or who & what Najim is...
*sigh*
BAELOTH: Things went quite swimmingly until some upstarts tricked me into facing them in battle. They cheated, of course. But I am nothing if not calculatingly cautious, and so I instructed that djinn jerk Najim to grant me a final wish: that I be protected from death. Oh, he granted that one, all right.
1. He's clearly not talking about you. 2. He's telling you who Najim is.
Therefore it seems stupendously silly to simply slide to the conclusion that it is utterly impossible.
Well, okay then. I mean, you're factually incorrect, in that the game text spells things out very clearly and you're choosing to ignore that, but that's your business. I'll just leave this here:
And yet with never having supposedly met him before you just happen to know that a dijinn rescued him... or who & what Najim is... Well, okay then. We mean you are not necessarily factually incorrect, in that the game text does not really spell anything out very clearly and you are choosing to ignore that, but that is your business.
But hey, at least that video is proof of something: why the awesomeness that is Baeloth should be in BG2!
Have you even ran into baeloth? When he first appears, hr doesn't even speak to you, hr yells Najim's name into the freaking even calling him a djinn before he starts addressing you! You want to create a connection that JUST ISNT THERE! A connection where ALL THE IN GAME EVIDENCE SAYS OTHERWISE.
Have you even ran into baeloth? When he first appears, hr doesn't even speak to you, hr yells Najim's name into the freaking even calling him a djinn before he starts addressing you! You want to create a connection that JUST ISNT THERE! A connection where ALL THE IN GAME EVIDENCE SAYS OTHERWISE.
Not recently to be fair - we were merely reviewing the posted video.
That said, we are not saying there IS a connection; we are saying that there is not necessarily no connection.
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Whatever, if that's the case, then I can hardly see why anyone would chose Baeloth over Edwin besides RP purpose. As for those who would pick both, I guess it would be just like Aerie/Edwin or Imoen/Edwin which is already available and quite strong.
I wish he had more to say sometimes.
he was pretty powerful but I wouldnt say OP. I think the only thing that's OP'd in this game the massive amounts of experience it's fans have in playing it. Why duo the game with a fighter thief mage + him
I liked him in BG1. Not so much in BG2.
I find him pretty interesting, I would pay for that
So the fact he would show up to recatch you all just makes no sense at all. Especially when the djinn he enslaves is now siding with the player again, and as already said, you took on and beat creatures even greater than him. Unless he has a Tarrasque or A Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon Ascendant (do these even exist in the forgotten realms?) I don't see how the fool stands a chance of a rematch likewise.
Gameplaywise, thousands of things can be done to make him a hard fight.
Besides, the lack of a sorcerer npc is annoying.
As for his ring... nowhere near Edwin's amulet so what's the problem with it?
Would I pay a dime for them to add him? Hell no.
I mean, hell, you don't have to like her, but let's at least acknowledge that she exists.
What's funny is that I do like her.
Even still, it would've been nice to see more.
Not to mention, he would recognized you when you met on the surface, and you would've recognized him.
There is plenty of time between leaving Candlekeep and the 'accepted proper' end of BG to be abducted... in fact if you head straight for Baeloth's location he will not yet be there!
[this of course ignores that using the console one can indeed participate in the Pits as part of a BG play through] Again, this would be a great argument in the real world lacking in event altering magics; not so much in a world where they not only exist but are routinely used. We are not saying that an imprisoned Djinn would deliberately wipe someone's memory while reviving them after being freed, but even in the real world people resuscitated after death often suffer memory loss. In any event, we in fact do recognize him when we see him...
Therefore it seems stupendously silly to simply slid to the conclusion that it is utterly impossible.
But hey, at least that video is proof of something: why the awesomeness that is Baeloth should be in BG2!
1. He's clearly not talking about you.
2. He's telling you who Najim is.
That said, we are not saying there IS a connection; we are saying that there is not necessarily no connection.