Shadow Armor - Not just for Thieves

Boaster

Other characters would like to wear this, such as Bards, Druids and Rangers.

It makes little sense for Bards or Druids to wear the armor, since it provides stealth bonus, but it is a +3 Armor here.

Rangers definitely could benefit from wearing this armor as well, with the Stealth bonus too.

Ward

I do feel your pain.

Edvin

I don´t agree with you.

Shadow Armor is armor for Amn thief lords ( Shadowmasters ).
Only thief should be able wear it.

( Mages also can´t wear " Staff of woodlands +4 " and it is sooooo nice staff for mage )

SamuelVarg

Can a multiclass fighter/thief use the Shadow Armour?

Cheesebelly

Yes, any multiclass thief should be able to use the armor.

bigdogchris

3rd Edition blended Thief and Ranger closer together with the use of shared sneak and hide skills, so people associate them as a similar type of class. When you time travel back to 2nd Edition, Thief and Ranger were much further apart.

TJ_Hooker

Yeah I agree with @Edvin. It's not restricted to thieves just because they thought no one else would have use for it. It's like a bard not being able to wear mage robes; sure they could get great use out of them, but they can't for the sake of balance/lore/whatever.

mars0124

I'm with Boaster. Sure the armor was made for a thief, but can anyone name an actual logical reason that someone shouldn't be able to wear it for the AC only bonus?

The ranger bonus does remain debatable though.

Dee

mars0124 said:

I'm with Boaster. Sure the armor was made for a thief, but can anyone name an actual logical reason that someone shouldn't be able to wear it for the AC only bonus?

The ranger bonus does remain debatable though.

Isn't it obvious?

The Shadow Armor comes with a hoodie. Only a Thief would wear a hoodie, as everyone knows.

...That turned out just a bit more politically sensitive than intended...

bob_veng

just for thieves for me.

the name itself makes it a thief-only item.

Kithrixx

Aosaw said:

mars0124 said:

I'm with Boaster. Sure the armor was made for a thief, but can anyone name an actual logical reason that someone shouldn't be able to wear it for the AC only bonus?

The ranger bonus does remain debatable though.

Isn't it obvious?

The Shadow Armor comes with a hoodie. Only a Thief would wear a hoodie, as everyone knows.

...That turned out just a bit more politically sensitive than intended...

Even moreso considering the color of the armor.

BUT I DIGRESS

Just because it was designed for a thief doesn't mean that it's magically limited to thieves only. That's silly. Plate armor is designed for fighters, and yet paladins can wear them just fine. It's really good leather armor, and if someone is capable of wearing leather armor, they should be allowed to wear the Shadow Armor.

RomulanPaladin

In PnP D&D, many magic items have powers that require certain skills or abilities in order to function to their full potential. Example: anyone can use a holy sword as a +2 weapon but, in the hands of a holy warrior (paladin), its true powers manifest.

Programing items in games to function differently for different characters is problematic. Restricting their use based on class flags is much easier. If the shadow armor appeared in a normal PnP game, it would likely function as magical studded leather for most but its other abilities would be unlocked for a thief. Since we can't program that easily, it's just restricted to thief use for simplicity.

Again, but in short: can't program different functions for different classes easy so just restrict use to intended class instead.

TJ_Hooker

Kithrixx said:

Aosaw said:

mars0124 said:

I'm with Boaster. Sure the armor was made for a thief, but can anyone name an actual logical reason that someone shouldn't be able to wear it for the AC only bonus?

The ranger bonus does remain debatable though.

Isn't it obvious?

The Shadow Armor comes with a hoodie. Only a Thief would wear a hoodie, as everyone knows.

...That turned out just a bit more politically sensitive than intended...

Even moreso considering the color of the armor.

BUT I DIGRESS

Just because it was designed for a thief doesn't mean that it's magically limited to thieves only. That's silly. Plate armor is designed for fighters, and yet paladins can wear them just fine. It's really good leather armor, and if someone is capable of wearing leather armor, they should be allowed to wear the Shadow Armor.

I'm not sure what makes you say plate armour is designed for fighters. Also, the game is full of items like this, items that would be useful to other classes, but are limited to one class or another simply because that class is the one that the item's bonuses apply to and that the item was designed for.

Cheesebelly

I think the main fact is - Shadow armor - made for hiding in the shadows of a dark night, in a dark alleyway, in a dark city.
Rangers hide in shadows is more like a... chameleon hide in shadows... you know, tree hugging, mud loving, bonsai working kind of TLC, not a dark alleyway, dark night, dark city kind of TLC that the thieves have.

Also, in a world which items that are magically designed and restricted... why would the shadow armor be the one exception? Why can't my psychopathic barbarian use the Staff of the Magi? Just because it's called a Staff of the Magi, doesn't mean it has to be used JUST BY MAGES, right? :P

lolth

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Majoca

the thief class needs its own items to make it an interesting pick, as with all the classes, luckily in baldurs gate 2, thieves get 'Use any Item' *troll face*

Seriously though each class has its own items and I just think making the shadow Armour available to other classes like ranger, druid and bard is a bit unfair. Then that breaks the barrier for other questions like, why can't bards sneak? or Druids turn undead? or rangers sneak attack? things are just the way they are, don't fix it if isn't broken :P

Edvin

Why you actually want that armor available for all ?

If you are mage, you can´t use any lather armor.
If you are thief you can use it, so it is ok.
If you are bard you can use Drizzt armor ( is even better )

All other professions can use many same good or even better armors.

Boaster

Rangers can even use Drizzle's armizzle and can still stealth.

trinit

i like some items remaining special and having restrictions. but shadow-armor should be available for STALKER also

Permidion_Stark

Edvin said:

If you are mage, you can´t use any lather armor.

I realise it was just a typo but I like the idea of lather armor. Protects you while you are having a bath?

Cheesebelly

Boaster said:

Rangers can even use Drizzle's armizzle and can still stealth.

That should be the name of a OG Rapper, like really XD

LadyRhian

@Permidion_Stark Shaving Cream! So nice and clean! Shave every day and you'll always be clean!

simone

I don't understand one things?
Could a stalker wears this armor?And the others ranger classes

Khyron

I think it's only fair that it's tied to Thief only, and imo, should be single class thief only. Why? Well compared to any other melee'ish class (Barb, Pal, Fighter, Ranger, Bard, Cleric, Druid) thieves are rather gimped. Suuure they can backstabb, but that really doesn't compare to the other classes in a long fight of attrition. Let the thieves have their one redeeming item for themselves.

Boaster

Khyron said:

I think it's only fair that it's tied to Thief only, and imo, should be single class thief only. Why? Well compared to any other melee'ish class (Barb, Pal, Fighter, Ranger, Bard, Cleric, Druid) thieves are rather gimped. Suuure they can backstabb, but that really doesn't compare to the other classes in a long fight of attrition. Let the thieves have their one redeeming item for themselves.

A +3 Short Sword or Dagger of venom? That's not something the Thieves benefit from?