Yeah, female gnomes or half-orcs, and dwarves of neither gender have no chances with any of the (vanilla) BG2 LIs. Male gnomes can seek the favor of Aerie only, and Viconia gives male half-orcs a chance (but never elves). Otherwise, it's humans, half-elves, halflings and elves who can find true(?) love.
I still feel that the only reasonable race restriction is Viconia not going for elves, and even that enmity would have been nice romance drama material in my opinion
The best solution is to remove romances completly. I used to love them until I came to these forums and read all kinds of requests. Leave the professional writers who actualy know the world do their job...
@Razor So the solution to getting lots of requests concerning a popular feature...is to remove the feature completely? Do you also think we should remove weapons, classes, portraits, and NPCs until we have the bare minimum needed to play the game? Of course not. The fact that the developers made a Feature Requests forum shows they actually want this type of input from the fans.
@Razor The weapons and classes that shipped with the game worked fine and more are not needed, yet people still make numerous topics requesting more. This includes many exotic and fan-made weapons that do not appear in the rules. Strangely, no one has suggested cutting down on what is already there in order to punish them for asking. Portraits have nothing to do with D&D rules and are nonessential except from a roleplaying perspective, yet more are still asked for and discussed because people value the ability to roleplay in a roleplaying game. Coincidentally, this is also why many players want romance options that fit their character and playstyle.
And fan suggestions are the entire point of this subforum.
As long as the weapons are believable to exist in the world... Most rpg out there do not have romances and they do just fine. If having romances is a way to lore holes then better not having them at all. Or leave them to professionals to write.
I don't mind the romances to have restrictions (I mean, it makes sense in real life, people are sometimes just not attracted to each over) but I would like to know about them beforehand. I would be pretty sad to start a character to test one of the three new romances to realize after 10H that the two are not compatible and I have to start all over again.
True... Lets remove race restriction and add charisma restriction. It´s much more reasonable.
@AurenRavidel It is very good idea, you shoud have start poll with that. " Do you want charisma restriction in romance instead race restriction ? " ( Hurry before i do that )
As long as the weapons are believable to exist in the world... Most rpg out there do not have romances and they do just fine. If having romances is a way to lore holes then better not having them at all. Or leave them to professionals to write.
There have been surprisingly very few fan mods out there that should be considered character-breaking. While not "professional" in terms of it being from the original authors, many of the holes in characters and quests have been fixed by content inspired by what we were originally given.
As long as the weapons are believable to exist in the world... Most rpg out there do not have romances and they do just fine. If having romances is a way to lore holes then better not having them at all. Or leave them to professionals to write.
I don't see how elves and dwarves having sex could create any "lore holes."
I didnt speak of mods, and dont care about what is done in mods. I spoke about the "feature" request that is going on here, "I want my gnome to romance a half-orc" etc. Some races do not get along, they may come to accept but its not as basic as people seem to be here.
Any individual member of a race is ultimately just that, an individual, that is as mutable and diverse as any other person. Some races do not get along? We're talking about a core D&D setting, which are always extremely diverse and cosmopolitan, with many cities flooded with examples of every "common" race. To suggest that a gnome and half-orc being attracted to each other in a city like Baldur's Gate is somehow impossible is absurd. Period.
Hell, Planescape: Torment has Fall-From-Grace, a LAWFUL NEUTRAL succubus. If a creature formed of the very substance of elemental evil can change her alignment, I think a gnome or a half-orc can manage to get it on.
Well, I'd still prefer the romances with the original characters to remain as-is. They can address this issue by making the new characters romance options for the vertically-challenged if they want.
I personally don't find Asian women very attractive. I can completely understand Jaheira not being into dwarves.
And what if that dwarf is personification of pure charisma ? There is always question, why Jaheira do not like dwarves ? ( and others race what are´t romanceable for her )
Like you say with asian women, some people do´t like some races. But there are always exceptions... Even if you do´t like asian, we can stil find at least 1 - 3 asian women what even you find atractive. Same thing with Jaheira.
What about this:
There will be still same race restriction for all romances, BUT you can bypass it if yours CHARNAME have hight charisma. ( Even Half-ork will be sexy for all ours women if have 18 charisma )
Any individual member of a race is ultimately just that, an individual, that is as mutable and diverse as any other person. Some races do not get along? We're talking about a core D&D setting, which are always extremely diverse and cosmopolitan, with many cities flooded with examples of every "common" race. To suggest that a gnome and half-orc being attracted to each other in a city like Baldur's Gate is somehow impossible is absurd. Period.
Hell, Planescape: Torment has Fall-From-Grace, a LAWFUL NEUTRAL succubus. If a creature formed of the very substance of elemental evil can change her alignment, I think a gnome or a half-orc can manage to get it on.
I actually love this idea (in theory, not practice). Charisma will no longer be a dump stat! You now need a certain number to romance some npcs.
I can hear the players bitching now "Why won't Viconia romance my 6 Cha Half-Orc?"
"Because you're one disgusting, tactless, ugly mother******."
Agreed -- it would have been more interesting if romances were based on charisma rather than race. Maybe have different NPCs have different thresholds (eg: Viconia would only date you if you were 16+, but Jaheira would settle for 12, haha).
They'd need to take out the Ring Everybody Knows About from the beginning of BG2, though. I'd be all for that as it wouldn't make charisma totally superfluous in the game.
You are making a serious mistake confusing charisma and being good looking. Ex. Dorn can have a high charisma even with an ugly ass-face. The races have cultures and prejudices of their own, have some common sense when you play marriage makers... Also some races are not compatible to procreate, imo these romances shouldnt go as far as children anyway...
There's that gnome that gets with Lady Irlana instead of Garrick (cough) charisma! (cough) bard!! And then there's that Ogre (who Mazzy fought with) who had a human girlfriend. So I don't agree as much with eliminating what may seem like an unusual pairing just because its uncommon, as there are examples to the contrary in the vanilla game. But I agree that it shouldn't be made easy for odd pairings either. If they're gonna change things it should be made difficult (yet not impossible) to overcome by addressing what a challenge it would be to move past their differences.
Well.. I for one can't quite imagine a half-orc doing lil Aerie in the bushes. That's like.. something that belongs in a japanese anime serie or something.. with some tentacles just for show.
And baby Quayle being 1/4th orc, 1/4th human, half winged elf?
For some reason that gives me images of a greenskinned Schwarzenegger with fairy wings and a fuzzy wand..
But there are always exceptions... Even if you do´t like asian, we can stil find at least 1 - 3 asian women what even you find attractive
I can recognize them as being aesthetically pleasing. I just don't find them attractive. You can't claim to know my preferences based on exceptions, because they're not your preferences, they're mine.
Also, if you were trying to get me to change my mind with that picture, you'd be better-served linking to a real woman than...whatever that plastic surgery horror is.
But there are always exceptions... Even if you do´t like asian, we can stil find at least 1 - 3 asian women what even you find attractive
I can recognize them as being aesthetically pleasing. I just don't find them attractive. You can't claim to know my preferences based on exceptions, because they're not your preferences, they're mine.
Also, if you were trying to get me to change my mind with that picture, you'd be better-served linking to a real woman than...whatever that plastic surgery horror is.
I think the issue is why different races cannot mingle with each other. No clear reason is given and it seems an arbitrary decision. As @Mera said, they don't give you a reason at all. There is nothing in the rulebook, and nothing in D&D lore, that says these kind of romances are impossible - just improbable. We're just left to discover these arbitrary 'romance laws' on our own through trial and error, often in heartbreaking fashion when Jaheria doesn't call us back.
If there were a clear reason, I think I'd be a lot happier. And that would add detail to the story and richness to the characters.
I don't need the original game changed. But I want these kind of things to remain open in the future. Someone should ask Trent on his twitter if the romances in BGEE are limited based on race, class, gender or alignment.
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I still feel that the only reasonable race restriction is Viconia not going for elves, and even that enmity would have been nice romance drama material in my opinion
And fan suggestions are the entire point of this subforum.
I would be pretty sad to start a character to test one of the three new romances to realize after 10H that the two are not compatible and I have to start all over again.
I can hear the players bitching now "Why won't Viconia romance my 6 Cha Half-Orc?"
"Because you're one disgusting, tactless, ugly mother******."
Lets remove race restriction and add charisma restriction.
It´s much more reasonable.
@AurenRavidel
It is very good idea, you shoud have start poll with that.
" Do you want charisma restriction in romance instead race restriction ? "
( Hurry before i do that
Hell, Planescape: Torment has Fall-From-Grace, a LAWFUL NEUTRAL succubus. If a creature formed of the very substance of elemental evil can change her alignment, I think a gnome or a half-orc can manage to get it on.
I personally don't find Asian women very attractive. I can completely understand Jaheira not being into dwarves.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqsi5sExCG1qa9gago1_500.jpg
And what if that dwarf is personification of pure charisma ?
There is always question, why Jaheira do not like dwarves ?
( and others race what are´t romanceable for her )
Like you say with asian women, some people do´t like some races.
But there are always exceptions...
Even if you do´t like asian, we can stil find at least 1 - 3 asian women what even you find atractive.
Same thing with Jaheira.
What about this:
There will be still same race restriction for all romances, BUT you can bypass it if yours CHARNAME have hight charisma. ( Even Half-ork will be sexy for all ours women if have 18 charisma )
They'd need to take out the Ring Everybody Knows About from the beginning of BG2, though. I'd be all for that as it wouldn't make charisma totally superfluous in the game.
Dump stats are dumb.
The races have cultures and prejudices of their own, have some common sense when you play marriage makers... Also some races are not compatible to procreate, imo these romances shouldnt go as far as children anyway...
But I agree that it shouldn't be made easy for odd pairings either. If they're gonna change things it should be made difficult (yet not impossible) to overcome by addressing what a challenge it would be to move past their differences.
And baby Quayle being 1/4th orc, 1/4th human, half winged elf?
For some reason that gives me images of a greenskinned Schwarzenegger with fairy wings and a fuzzy wand..
Also, if you were trying to get me to change my mind with that picture, you'd be better-served linking to a real woman than...whatever that plastic surgery horror is.
If there were a clear reason, I think I'd be a lot happier. And that would add detail to the story and richness to the characters.
I don't need the original game changed. But I want these kind of things to remain open in the future. Someone should ask Trent on his twitter if the romances in BGEE are limited based on race, class, gender or alignment.