F/M/T and Bodhi

Diablerist

Quick question, can a F/M/T join Bodhi in BG2EE or will she lock you out of that decision because you're a thief?

elminster

If by "join Bodhi" you mean have her join your party then that shouldn't be a problem.

Diablerist

I meant choose her help instead of the Shadow Thieves.

Lord_Tansheron

elminster said:

If by "join Bodhi" you mean have her join your party then that shouldn't be a problem.

Wat.

SpaceInvader

elminster said:

If by "join Bodhi" you mean have her join your party then that shouldn't be a problem.

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Diablerist

bump

moody_mage

I don't think as a thief you automatically join the Shadow Thieves. I'm not 100% though.

jinxed75

If you're Thief, no Bodhi. F/M/T still has a T in it, so go figure

semiticgoddess

Only single-classed thieves are unable to side with Bodhi. Any multi-class can side with her, even those with thief levels. I have sided with Bodhi multiple times as multi-classed thieves and there has been no problem. Only when I was playing a single-class did she refuse to make the offer.

Abi_Dalzim

semiticgod said:

Only single-classed thieves are unable to side with Bodhi. Any multi-class can side with her, even those with thief levels. I have sided with Bodhi multiple times as multi-classed thieves and there has been no problem. Only when I was playing a single-class did she refuse to make the offer.

Did you already have a Thief stronghold before doing, so, though?

Zalson

My fighter-thief had the Thief stronghold, then he joined Bodhi's guild. Not sure if I kept the stronghold afterward. At that point, the character didn't care.

SpaceInvader

Zalson said:

My fighter-thief had the Thief stronghold, then he joined Bodhi's guild. Not sure if I kept the stronghold afterward. At that point, the character didn't care.

Yes, you keep the stronghold.
After getting it you can even kill Renal without losing it

semiticgoddess

@Abi_Dalzim: No idea. But it shouldn't matter either way.

Abi_Dalzim

semiticgod said:

@Abi_Dalzim: No idea. But it shouldn't matter either way.

Kind of surreal, given how the most logical (albeit Doylist) reason for Bodhi to retract her offer would be so as not to conflict with your running a Shadow Thief franchise.

sluckers

In addition to single class thieves, a character dualed TO a thief class cannot join Bodhi's guild either, unless the levels from the starting non-thief class have been reactivated.

If the player duals to a thief from a fighter, for example, the character will be treated as a single class thief by bodhi until the fighter levels have been reactivated.

This is only a problem when dualing TO a thief. It is not an issue if dualing FROM a thief class. A dualed theif-->[2nd class] is treated as a single class [2nd class] until the reactivation of the thief levels, then treated as a multiclass when the dual is complete.

You can also keep the thief stronghold, however Renal will no longer be present if you side with Bodhi. He and his lackeys will disappear, but he will still demand his dues and the thief guild will still drop you if you don't pay him. Since it becomes impossible to find him or talk to him after siding with Bodhi, the thief stronghold will be lost no matter what.

That's the way it works in my game, anyway.

SpaceInvader

sluckers said:

Since it becomes impossible to find him or talk to him after siding with Bodhi, the thief stronghold will be lost no matter what.

That's the way it works in my game, anyway.

You never pay Renal directly. He sends a thief at your stronghold to receive the payment.
I don't see how can you lose it...

Abi_Dalzim

SpaceInvader said:

You never pay Renal directly. He sends a thief at your stronghold to receive the payment.
I don't see how can you lose it...

He said Renal and his lackeys disappear, so I assume that includes the Quartermaster. I've never tried to side with Bodhi as a Thief, so I wouldn't know.

SpaceInvader

@Abi_Dalzim ?
He said that since Renal disappears, the thief stronghold is lost and I corrected him explaining that Renal has nothing to do with your stronghold after you get it.
As I said in a previous post, you can even kill him, it changes nothing

Abi_Dalzim

SpaceInvader said:

@Abi_Dalzim ?
He said that since Renal disappears, the thief stronghold is lost and I corrected him explaining that Renal has nothing to do with your stronghold after you get it.
As I said in a previous post, you can even kill him, it changes nothing

Seems to work differently for him, I guess. But surely you can't keep it if the guy you're supposed to pay periodically disappears? Again, that's part of my interpretation of what he described.

SpaceInvader

@Abi_Dalzim
It works like this: Renal gives you the stronghold, THEN has nothing more to do with it on a mere script level.
There is only ONE npc you have to pay and you can find it in your guild.
Your guild is not influenced by any event that takes place outside of it.
If Irenicus should even drop a nuclear bomb on Renal's house while he's taking a bath, it wouldn't change the fact that you can keep your stronghold by simply paying that one guy as you always did.

EDIT: I may agree that it doesn't make much sense, but that's how it worked and still works now.

Musigny

These are the conditions to continue the dialog:

Global("BodhiAppear","GLOBAL",1)
!Global("WorkingForAran","GLOBAL",1)
!Class(Player1,THIEF)
Global("BodhiMove","LOCALS",0)
PartyGoldGT(14999)

Player1 is charname, "!" is the logical NOT, the rest is self-explanatory.
A class for a multi-class has its own code and it is not "THIEF". Your FMT can deal with Bodhi.

Bubbles

elminster said:

If by "join Bodhi" you mean have her join your party then that shouldn't be a problem.

O_O can Bodhi be in the party without modding? ?_?

semiticgoddess

@Bubbles: Only with CTRL-Q.

sluckers

All shadow thief presence in Athkatla is destroyed by assaulting their guild. This includes the quartermaster, or at least it did for me. Even before destroying the guild, they break off all ties to you and those you meet in the street turn red upon first sight (like the guy standing out front by the door).

The timer also keeps running in the Underdark. I received a warning of my late dues to Renal while there, and then a notification that I had lost the guild as well. If the quartermaster is still supposed to show up, though, then you'd best be very fast through the underdark in order to keep the guild and make it back in time. All in all a rather tedious and nonsensical way to keep the guild and pay a master who no longer lives or is in the city.

Not worth it, I think, since the Underdark is worth spending time in.

Unless that running timer was also a bug and you're supposed to get an allowance for being decidedly 'out of the country'... like with filing your taxes.

Bubbles

@semiticgod
Oh .. learn something new everyday ^^.
Must try it someday and send Bodhi to do tanking jobs xD feed her to the Shadow Dragon xD.

lroumen

I think that the trip through chapters 3-5 (6?) is already much longer than the time between payments so you will lose the guild when you leave no matter what you do (boat plus travels).