No GOG version?

Sophiel777

I've found no mention of it being released on GOG.
Three previous EE titles were, I figured this one should be to.
Any official info on this?

Amber_Scott

As far as I know, we're still in talks with GOG so nothing official has been decided yet. When I get information I can post it. Sorry to be vague!

M0tan

I am sure the game will be available on GOG eventually. Maybe not as Pre-order, but I am sure it will be available.

Gloomfrost

really can't wait till all the EE editions are on GOG. It is a perfect match.

ValamirCleaver

I would be extremely surprised if it was not available on GOG eventually like the previous EEs. Wasn't IWD: EE available at GOG at launch or very close to launch if memory serves me correctly?

M0tan

ValamirCleaver said:

I would be extremely surprised if it was not available on GOG eventually like the previous EEs. Wasn't IWD: EE available at GOG at launch or very close to launch if memory serves me correctly?

The only EE that I own on GOG is IWD:EE. The others I bought directly from beamdog and got steam keys as well.

clos4life

No GOG, no sale for me. I have all copies of EE from GOG and I'm willing to buy as long as it's true DRM free from GOG.

Dee

Let me dispel this rumor before it starts (again): Beamdog's games are DRM-free whether you buy them from GOG or directly from Beamdog.com.

That's not to say that you shouldn't buy our games from GOG, but "DRM-free" is a feature of both sites.

madmaximus

I was wondering on this as well. for some reason my apartments wifi won't allow me to download from beamdog.com but will allow me to from GOG, I think it is a firewall issue. Anyhow. heres hoping it is available from gog preorder and I can still get my badge.

dunbar

@madmaximus It could be your browser. When I bought BGEE from Beamdog Internet Explorer wouldn't let me download it (this was confirmed to be the problem by Beamdog at the time).

BelgarathMTH

@dunbar , Internet Explorer started giving me trouble with many websites recently - scripts failing, very slow loading, and the like. So I've switched to using Firefox, and so far, it's been working great.

Actarus

I own both EE game on GOG.com, please bring SoD to the platform!

Dragonspear

clos4life said:

No GOG, no sale for me. I have all copies of EE from GOG and I'm willing to buy as long as it's true DRM free from GOG.

As opposed to true DRM free straight from the developer (beamdog) instead?

rashkae

Huh? The Beamdog installer no longer has to phone home to install the game? When did that change happen?

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Actarus

If the game for whatever reason is not released on GOG, I hope Beamdog will make their version compatible.

ValamirCleaver

Dragonspear said:

As opposed to true DRM free straight from the developer (beamdog) instead?

Are you implying that GOG.com sells games that aren't "true DRM free"? At GOG one can directly download the installers for one's purchased games with any modern web browser, copy those downloaded installers to removable storage, transfer the installers to a different computer that does not have internet access and then install & play the games without being online; all without the necessity of a mandatory proprietary client program to do so. While I have already purchased the Collector's Edition directly from Beamdog, I cannot comprehend how an online retailer can be more "true DRM free" than how GOG does. I completely understand why one would not want to purchase a downloadable game from an online retailer unless it was DRM free in the same way games purchased from GOG are.

craymond727

ValamirCleaver said:

Dragonspear said:

As opposed to true DRM free straight from the developer (beamdog) instead?

Are you implying that GOG.com sells games that aren't "true DRM free"?

While I have already purchased the Collector's Edition directly from Beamdog, I cannot comprehend how an online retailer can be more "true DRM free" than how GOG does.

I believe @Dragonspear was trying to debunk the notion that Beamdog's content was not DRM-free, or at least not as much so as GOG. His criticism was to close4life's insinuation, not the merits of GOG itself.

ValamirCleaver

craymond727 said:

I believe @Dragonspear was trying to debunk the notion that Beamdog's content was not DRM-free, or at least not as much so as GOG. His criticism was to clos4life's insinuation, not the merits of GOG itself.

Reading clos4life's post didn't lead me to interpret the post in that way. clos4life said, "I have all copies of EE from GOG" and in light of the fact that members of the Beamdog staff have previously posted to the effect that one should purchase SoD from the same retailer as one has purchased BG:EE and that it does not seem that copies of BG:EE and SoD purchased from different retailers are not going to be compatible; clos4life's sentiment does not sound invalid to me. If I already owned a base game, if I was going to purchase an expansion for it I would want to be 100% sure that the expansion I purchased would be 100% compatible with my previous purchase of the base game.

In reference to all this, and this is in no way intended as a rhetorical question; how does one download an offline installer from Beamdog? I would appreciate any help one could give me in reference to this question, I have been unable to find it whether using the Beamdog client or not.

clos4life

ValamirCleaver said:

craymond727 said:

I believe @Dragonspear was trying to debunk the notion that Beamdog's content was not DRM-free, or at least not as much so as GOG. His criticism was to clos4life's insinuation, not the merits of GOG itself.

Reading clos4life's post didn't lead me to interpret the post in that way. clos4life said, "I have all copies of EE from GOG" and in light of the fact that members of the Beamdog staff have previously posted to the effect that one should purchase SoD from the same retailer as one has purchased BG:EE and that it does not seem that copies of BG:EE and SoD purchased from different retailers are not going to be compatible; clos4life's sentiment does not sound invalid to me. If I already owned a base game, if I was going to purchase an expansion for it I would want to be 100% sure that the expansion I purchased would be 100% compatible with my previous purchase of the base game.

In reference to all this, and this is in no way intended as a rhetorical question; how does one download an offline installer from Beamdog? I would appreciate any help one could give me in reference to this question, I have been unable to find it whether using the Beamdog client or not.

Thank you ValamirCleaver. You have stated my point much better than I could have. I respect greatly Beamdog as a developer and what they have done to my favorite franchise of all time. I love all infinity engines and the EE versions are great improvements upon the original versions (in my opinion).

That being said, I buy games almost exclusively from GOG. I understand the developer gets more money if they sell it from their own website but I purchased all EEs (BG1, BG2 and IWD1) from GOG and I don't think I should have to purchase the base game all over again if I have done my financial part to support the developer already. On top of that, they are already losing a cut of their sales to Steam so I don't see why GOG should be any different.

I'm glad the developer supports DRM free versions of their games on their website (as it financially behooves them to do so) but that's not where I own the copies of all the EEs they have made. So, once again, no GOG, no sale for me.

Dragonspear

As I understand it, the ONLY time beamdog does DRM, if you buy directly through them, is the VERY first time you boot up the game.

And last I checked, you could either download it directly through the beamdog client, or keep it separate on your computer without ever having to use the beamdog client.

That is at least how it was originally with BGEE. So yes, I stand by my statement, you can still get your "DRM Free" relatively via beamdog if there isn't a GOG release.

I'm sure @Dee or @Amber_Scott could further clarify in this regard.

Son_of_Imoen

I own BG:EE in it's Beamdog version, bought before it came to GOG, but what I remember from the Beamdog version, what you download is the whole game, instead of an offline installer that can be kept to install the game. With the Beamdog version, you'll need to backup the whole game instead of just the installer if you want to install the game later on without any internet connection. It might be called DRM-free, but it's a clumsy way to backup an installer in my opinion.

I'd rather wait for the GOG version to be buyable, than pre-order the Beamdog version and buy it again if the GOG version is buyable. It would mean paying 19,99 more just to be able to play it earlier.

Lifat

I don't think anyone is arguing against people buying the game from GOG. But there have been GOG supporters claiming/implying that beamdogs version wasn't DRM free, which is simply not true. Now... I wholeheartedly support your decision to buy from GOG. Personally, I'm still not exactly sure where I'm buying the game from.

Actarus

Me personnaly I don't really care about DRM, but I'm against it. I use GOG, and GOG Galaxy, wich is a launcher for the game. I like all my game to be at the same place. That is why I want Dragonspear to be with GOG.

DRM never stopped me the play Starcraft, and I never played online.....

ValamirCleaver

Son_of_Imoen said:

what I remember from the Beamdog version, what you download is the whole game, instead of an offline installer that can be kept to install the game.

Thank you for addressing my question. Am I interpreting your response correctly; that one has to use the Beamdog client or the "BGEEInstaller.exe" program and be connected online to download/install the game, there is no separate offline installer? Can anyone else clarify if this interpretation is incorrect?

Dee

Correct. When you download the game (either through the stand-alone game launcher or the Beamdog client), it downloads the full, playable game, which you can then copy to a flash drive or a second computer at your leisure. Strictly speaking, the only "installation" is for the Beamdog client or the game launcher (which doesn't require a login). Everything after that is a straight-up download (which does require a login, since the launcher and client are also the way you receive patches from us).

To compare this with GOG, you also have to be logged in in order to download game updates.

Once the game is downloaded, you don't have to use the launcher or client ever again; you can run the games directly from their executables and they'll play without any need to be connected to the internet (unless you want to play multiplayer, of course).

Beamdog and GOG are both DRM-free. The difference is in how each of them authenticates your purchase prior to download/installation. (with GOG Galaxy, I'm not sure there's even a difference at all.)

ValamirCleaver

Thank you for the clarification Dee.

Dee

Glad I could help!

/flies off into the sunset

Cerevant

[Ok, Dee was faster than me, but this rant was fun]

Beamdog does not provide an offline installer for download. This does not mean the game has DRM, it only means that you need to use our client to download purchase. ONCE. Then uninstall the installer. Run it from a VM and delete the VM when you are done. Back up your files and drop the PC out a 4th story window.

Once the game is downloaded you can back it up, zip it, put it on removable media or do whatever you want with the files. Copy it on any PC. Run it from removable media. Play multiplayer. Once you have the game files, the game never phones home to authenticate.

There are no key generators for Beamdog games because there are no keys to generate. There are no cracks for Beamdog games because there is nothing to crack. There are no anti-piracy checks on multiplayer. There are no CD/DVD ROM checks. THERE IS NO DRM.

If you want to say "GoG is better then Beamdog because they provide an offline installer" then go for it. But please don't say that GoG is better than Beamdog because they are DRM free and Beamdog isn't, because it simply isn't true.

Actarus

Baldur's Gate is better than all of us, that is why it must be everywhere; Beamdog, Steam, GOG, MAC, Android!

Who know, maybe Baldur's Gate 3 is next if there is a commercial success with SOD!

M0tan

Cerevant said:

[Ok, Dee was faster than me, but this rant was fun]

Beamdog does not provide an offline installer for download. This does not mean the game has DRM, it only means that you need to use our client to download purchase. ONCE. Then uninstall the installer. Run it from a VM and delete the VM when you are done. Back up your files and drop the PC out a 4th story window.

Once the game is downloaded you can back it up, zip it, put it on removable media or do whatever you want with the files. Copy it on any PC. Run it from removable media. Play multiplayer. Once you have the game files, the game never phones home to authenticate.

There are no key generators for Beamdog games because there are no keys to generate. There are no cracks for Beamdog games because there is nothing to crack. There are no anti-piracy checks on multiplayer. There are no CD/DVD ROM checks. THERE IS NO DRM.

If you want to say "GoG is better then Beamdog because they provide an offline installer" then go for it. But please don't say that GoG is better than Beamdog because they are DRM free and Beamdog isn't, because it simply isn't true.

You are absolutely right in your assessment. GOG and Beamdog are both DRM free. GOGs way of supplying the game might be more straightforward for some users and they confuse it with more DRM freeness .

I hope everybody understood now.