Hull's Longsword

Dee

I was just taking a walk around Candlekeep, and something dawned on me.

What would it take to have Hull equip his sword when you give it to him? It's really just a cosmetic thing, but it would be a nice small touch of detail. As the one guarding the gate, you'd think he would have his sword equipped, rather than just sitting in his inventory.

HaHaCharade

I usually kill Hull, take his armor, and sell his sword. I'm the spawn of the Lord of Murder after all.

"You goody-goodies make me sick!" -- Montaron

elminster

@HaHaCharade. He is pretty cheap in how much he gives you for fetching his sword. What is it like 5 gp. He deserves to get wacked.

Dee

He gives you more if you have a high Charisma, but otherwise he's definitely pretty unkind about the whole thing.

O_Bruce

When you're having 16 CHA, he hates you. But having CHA 17 or more is making him ubelievably friendly.

I think that he should equip his sword. It's a small detail, but building good mood for a game consist of small details.

HaHaCharade

elminster said:

@HaHaCharade. He is pretty cheap in how much he gives you for fetching his sword. What is it like 5 gp. He deserves to get wacked.

It's like 7!

elminster

The sword itself actually sells for 7, but if you have 18 charisma at least he will give you 20 for it.

HeroicSpur

@Aosaw: none of the watchers actually have their swords out, they carry their quaterstaves, even though they carry a sword. Best to have non-lethal methods of conflict resolution to hand than to accidentally stab someone with a sword. Ultimately I think it would be a bit odd for a watcher to have his sword out.

Dee

True, although there are two issues with that: A) their staffs still do lethal damage, and Hull isn't just a watcher; he's a gatekeeper. He needs to be ready to deal with real threats at a moment's notice, not spend a round switching his weapons.

Solobear

Considering you never see him again, I fail to see the point.

Dee

The point is more that it would be simple to do, and would be a nice touch of detail. You give the guy a sword, but if he doesn't equip it, it just feels like a fetch quest--which is what it is, really, but it shouldn't feel like one.

Balquo

@Aosaw Adding something like this may work:

IF
  HasItem("Hull's Sword",Myself)
THEN
  RESPONSE #100
    Equip("Hull's Sword",Myself)
END

But I'm not sure. Can try when I get home.

Miloch

That will likely get stuck in an infinite loop, @Balquo. Might be better to do it through dialogue where the handover takes place.

Balquo

@Miloch agreed... dialogue would work much better. I'll try that then when I get home :P

Dee

Let us know how it goes, @Balquo! If it works, that would certainly open things up a little bit more.

Balquo

Got it sorted. Was actually quite tricky as the above did not work. Used "FillSlot(SLOT_WEAPON1)" in the end but while it was in the weapon slot it wasn't equiped so then used "EquipMostDamagingMelee()" and it works perfect.
I quite like this feature - small things like this make all the difference.

@SethDavis If you wanna add this here is the code:

<<<<<<<< hull.d REPLACE_ACTION_TEXT hull ~TakePartyItem("SW1H12")~ ~TakePartyItem("SW1H12") FillSlot(SLOT_WEAPON1) EquipMostDamagingMelee()~ >>>>>>>> COMPILE ~hull.d~

Cheesebelly

Aosaw said:

True, although there are two issues with that: A) their staffs still do lethal damage, and Hull isn't just a watcher; he's a gatekeeper. He needs to be ready to deal with real threats at a moment's notice, not spend a round switching his weapons.

That is, if someone is actually able to get past the 100% invulnerable Keeper of the Portal XD

Miloch

Balquo said:

Got it sorted. Was actually quite tricky as the above did not work. Used "FillSlot(SLOT_WEAPON1)" in the end but while it was in the weapon slot it wasn't equiped so then used "EquipMostDamagingMelee()" and it works perfect.

You'll be a modder yet, Grasshopper... er, I mean @Balquo :P.

EquipItem() should work as well, at least I'm pretty sure it did in testing as we do the same thing in Aurora when you find her sword, i.e.:

TakePartyItem("agsw1h02")
FillSlot(SLOT_WEAPON0)
EquipItem("agsw1h02")

Balquo

@Miloch I tried using EquipItem() but it refuses to work. I've no idea why.

Edvin

Actually, Hull´s sword is rare weapon.
It can´t be broken

Dee

...

I know what I'm doing in my next play-through.

Miloch

Balquo said:

@Miloch I tried using EquipItem() but it refuses to work. I've no idea why.

Buggy opcode or only works under certain conditions? Maybe @Avenger_teambg knows... he knows everything about opcodes .

Edit: an academic point though, as EquipMostDamagingMelee() makes sense, on the rare off-chance that some mod has given him a more powerful weapon than his own (normal) longsword.

Incidentally, sw1h12.itm is flagged as "breakable" in BG1, no different than sw1h04.itm (regular longsword). So only real difference should be the name.

Avenger_teambg

Well... EquipItem is weird, but we have people like @ScottBrooks and @SethDavis who surely can beat it into submission. IIRC, EquipItem works only on items already in a weapon slot. So they will never move a weapon from a regular inventory slot to a weapon slot. But really, we have engine people here, lets ask them

IESDP says this: "This action instructs the active creature to equip the specified item. The item needs to be in one of the creatures quickslots."

Well, yeah, i said exactly that.

Miloch

Hmm, but after FillSlot() it should be in a quickslot, no, @Avenger_teambg?

Balquo

@Miloch Yes, it will be in what ever slot you tell it to go into. In this case it goes into SLOT_WEAPON1 as he has his staff in SLOT_WEAPON0, so in the unlikely event that his sword breaks he can reequip his staff.

Avenger_teambg

Miloch said:

Hmm, but after FillSlot() it should be in a quickslot, no, @Avenger_teambg?

To be honest, i consider FillSlot an even more messed up action. Why would it destroy the item in slot if it is already filled?

Balquo

@Avenger_teambg It doesn't destroy the item though. It just moves it to the inventory. At least that is what happens in Hull's case if I put the sword into SLOT_WEAPON0.

Avenger_teambg

@Balquo Hah, ok. Then IESDP is incorrect. Or BGEE is fixed? That is good news. Maybe the item went to the magic item slot in the old engine?

SethDavis

wait a minute... this isn't a bug thread!

"Well... I feel sheepish." - Genie. Fixed anyway :P

Miloch

@SethDavis - cool. Er, which is fixed, FillSlot() or EquipItem() or both? I could've sworn FillSlot() did indeed destroy existing items in the slots (and would've thought the IESDP folks tested that before making such a rash statement without verification).

CamDawg

I think Avenger misunderstood--Balquo meant the item wasn't destroyed since it was being put into an empty slot. FillSlot() does, indeed, overwrite existing items when used, which is what I hope @SethDavis just fixed.