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Disappointing handling of Imoen

I know a lot of people are disappointed that she's been changed to a non-joinable NPC, but that's fine in my book. She would often get sent to the Arm for a few days so that I could spend some time with the new NPCs BD introduced, so her being absent so I can do the same in SoD is no big deal.

The problem I've got is how BD have enforced a particular narrative on me, regardless of the choices I've already made. Who here as ever kept Imoen as a pure thief, regardless of whether they know how she turns out in BG2? She's got an Int of 17 and her only purpose thief-wise is to remove traps and open locks. There is absolutely no reason to keep pumping exp into her thief class beyond levels 5/6.

It was so jarring to hear her explain away the reason for being a glorified tour guide in the opening area was because she wasn't confident enough yet as a mage, despite just minutes previous tearing Sarevok's party up with level 5 spells. Surely a simple check within her dialogue could have been made to see if the imported save had a dual classed Imoen? The game could then serve up a slightly different story so as not to wreck the immersion. Definitely a missed opportunity and something BD should consider tweaking with future patches.

Also, holy crap her new portrait is bad. Whoever decided she needed a makeover needs to go stand in the corner and think about what they've done.

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  • AutocratAutocrat Member Posts: 68
    I don't think I've ever not had Imoen as a pure thief.
  • craymond727craymond727 Member Posts: 208
    I always keep her as a pure thief. What can I say, I'm lazy.
  • AlatanAlatan Member Posts: 6
    I wouldn't call it disapointing but rather not great. It is not only Beamdog that enforces naratives, it is all game developers. One could cry about why is the canon party such and such or how can we have a barbarian raised in Candlekeep but we should remember that this is a video game and not a homebrew tabletop game where there is no limit. As much as I would like to have the game respond to the choices we've made during the previous titles, that would be a lot of work for the developers and would result in having a lot of content we would never see because we didn't complete the game with particular choices. Could the exception be made for Imoen considering she is a major character in the series ? I don't know but then the same could be said for many other characters. So considering the limitations try explaining to yourself why is her behavior as such as it is.
  • brotherThermbrotherTherm Member Posts: 4
    Alatan said:

    I wouldn't call it disapointing but rather not great. It is not only Beamdog that enforces naratives, it is all game developers. One could cry about why is the canon party such and such or how can we have a barbarian raised in Candlekeep but we should remember that this is a video game and not a homebrew tabletop game where there is no limit. As much as I would like to have the game respond to the choices we've made during the previous titles, that would be a lot of work for the developers and would result in having a lot of content we would never see because we didn't complete the game with particular choices. Could the exception be made for Imoen considering she is a major character in the series ? I don't know but then the same could be said for many other characters. So considering the limitations try explaining to yourself why is her behavior as such as it is.

    Well obviously you can't cater for everyone's decisions, but that's why the scope of my OP is restricted to Imoen. Despite everyone so far saying they don't dual her (I still can't understand why you wouldn't though) the canon is that she is duelled at some point. It just would have been nice for BD to allow us to have made that choice ourselves earlier if we wanted, rather than impose their own version of events for such an important character.
  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 4,861
    I never dual Imoen if I am just playing BG1 because I just can't see her as a mage. All she talks about is picking pockets and I'm sure one of her interactions with the CHARNAME mentions how much she hates books and libraries. I could see her as a bard maybe but not as a mage.

    However, if I am going to play through to BG2 I dual her to fit the story line . When I was looking forward to SoD I was planning to play through BG1 and make sure her character was the right level for the new game. That feels a bit pointless now.
  • brotherThermbrotherTherm Member Posts: 4

    However, if I am going to play through to BG2 I dual her to fit the story line . When I was looking forward to SoD I was planning to play through BG1 and make sure her character was the right level for the new game. That feels a bit pointless now.

    Exactly. Choice and consequence should be held up as the holy grail for any maker of RPGs. Sure, it takes extra time to include these things, and no, not everyone get's to see them, but these are what differentiate a good game from a great one.
  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 4,861
    edited April 2016
    When I first played Dungeons and Dragons I tried my hand at being a DM and it turned out I was lousy at it. In the group I played in most players had a player character and a henchman so I thought a great idea for an adventure would be to start by informing the players that one of their henchmen had been kidnapped and they had to rescue her.

    I'd got the whole thing planned out. I'd made a complete dungeon for them to explore. What I hadn't counted on was the players' reaction. They wanted to know how the henchman had been kidnapped and why weren't they able to stop it? They all got really pissed off at me because they felt I was taking decisions out of their hands and none of them wanted to play the adventure.

    I'm reminded of that incident every time I start to play BG2.
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    I think all they need to do is add the words "proper training" and it will be fine.
    From a RP perspective it takes a lot of studying and knoweldge to first learn magic, something Imoen wasnt able to get on the road. She might be a natural at it, but to perfect it she still needs to study.
  • PurudayaPurudaya Member Posts: 816
    I've never liked Imoen's original portrait and will be back porting the new one into the original for all future play throughs – different strokes for different folks :)

    The narrative implications of dual classing have always been awkward in D&D – you can kill a dragon, dual class, and then have trouble with a band of ogres in the next room. As for recognizing whether players have already dual classed Imoen before SoD, Beamdog would pretty much have to write an entirely different opening chapter for Imoen to accommodate a decision not everyone makes (a lot of players don't even keep her through the end of BGI).
  • DetectiveMittensDetectiveMittens Member Posts: 235
    Who is this Imoen npc you talk of?
  • brotherThermbrotherTherm Member Posts: 4
    Purudaya said:

    Beamdog would pretty much have to write an entirely different opening chapter for Imoen to accommodate a decision not everyone makes (a lot of players don't even keep her through the end of BGI).

    Nonsense, as someone has already said, just a small text change would go a long way, or ideally some writers coming up with a slightly different reason for her to follow behind with the Flaming Fist soldiers for people that had duelled early. She can still be bezzy mates with the female Duke too, magic finishing school teacher/student relationship or something. Basically, small changes. Maybe it's mod territory, but this just smacked of not enough thought by BD.
  • PurudayaPurudaya Member Posts: 816

    Purudaya said:

    Beamdog would pretty much have to write an entirely different opening chapter for Imoen to accommodate a decision not everyone makes (a lot of players don't even keep her through the end of BGI).

    Nonsense, as someone has already said, just a small text change would go a long way, or ideally some writers coming up with a slightly different reason for her to follow behind with the Flaming Fist soldiers for people that had duelled early. She can still be bezzy mates with the female Duke too, magic finishing school teacher/student relationship or something. Basically, small changes. Maybe it's mod territory, but this just smacked of not enough thought by BD.
    Fair enough :)
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