The discussion here yielded some great conversation about how to improve the Record screen to make it fit more in line with the original design for that screen. @Pecca took many of those ideas and crystallized them into a mock-up for what the final design might look like.
The general thrust of it:
The character's portrait and name should be in the center, in a column together with the character's Gender, Race, Class, and Alignment.
The character's ability scores and other critical elements should be on the left, since the number of lines will never change for these things; no scrollbar is necessary, which makes the left side of the screen ideal for this.
The rest of the character's information, organized by visible headings, should be on the right, with one scrollbar. A trio of buttons at the bottom of this column changes the text that's displayed in this column, from the basic overview to the character's Biography or their Statistical information within the party.
The remaining buttons are arranged at the bottom of the other two columns.
I'll let @Pecca post the latest mock-up. Be aware that all designs in this thread are suggestive only; nothing here is a promise or guarantee of future implementation. We're just discussing and honing the ideas.
One thing that needs clarification here, @Pecca - when you click on "Class Description", what happens? Does it open a new window with the class description, or does it just change the text in the right-most column?
It opens another window. The point was made, that the button should contain both class and kit description (if any), in which case the right column might be too small to navigate through conveniently.
Another problem of the mockup is on the left. I created a gap between the text and numbers because it looks pretty well, but you can notice that I use text from my mod that shortens "Paralysis / Poison / Death" and "Petrification / Polymorph" lines to fill in nicely. These lines are always too damn long, but since the left area is static they would need to be resized to fit.
I'm not sure I like the formatting on the right-hand side - it's not so bad it would drive me crazy - but I think that some of the items there could be better arranged (much like the left-hand side) to aid comprehension...
I'm not sure I like the formatting on the right-hand side - it's not so bad it would drive me crazy - but I think that some of the items there could be better arranged (much like the left-hand side) to aid comprehension...
I agree the left looks so neat and tidy, the right not so much. Perhaps some spacing required there as well
I don't think it would. All information on the left have numerical values, that's why the unified separation works well. You can't do that on the right as some words would not fit into the number column and some info simply can't be divided like that. Plus the text is now also nicely symmetrical (on the right, left aligned, and on the left right aligned).
Well, I just looked at the mock-up and since "saving throw" is in the title of the window and only names of saves are listed below, that would do. I just wanted to show how much longer the text in Polish is compared to English, to help designing Record Screen. Like 20-30% longer.
Exactly. When you design the UI screen, you must always keep in mind that any boxes with text inside should be bigger for foreign languages. You cannot pretend to cut the translation. Most of the time the result is not great at all. The UI translations are available, so any future work on the UI can and should be done doing some test with other languages as well. At least if you want to do things right and with quality.
I was just checking other languages from a text length perspective - and it's all very similar... although I was alarmed to see that the French have Save vs Souffles
Also surprising is that I know my way around the UI without being able to speak all the languages. That suggests, on one level at least, that the UI design works well enough.
It's really nice, but I think 9 buttons is too much. What Overview supposed to do ? I thinks Biography and Statistics were merged into a single Information button in 1.3. Some other rarely used buttons could also be merged.
Also, it's just my opinion, but I don't find the progress bar useful. It's redundant information, the current implementation is bad as this show the percentage since level 1 not compared to the previous level. And this does not handle multi/dual classes.
With the progressbar I would say that these days it is expected. I can't think of many games that don't have use a bar to represent XP and level. That said, the current implementation of it is bad, however. @AncientCowboy 's version is a lot more useful.
Buttons on the right side change the information (tabs) displayed on the right side column, so the overview is what is displayed at the picture. I don't see the 9 buttons as too much personally, it is more convenient and functional then hiding them to another screen (like in v1.3). The important thing is that they are nicely arranged at the bottom and not all over the place like in current v2.3.
Buttons on the right side change the information (tabs) displayed on the right side column, so the overview is what is displayed at the picture. I don't see the 9 buttons as too much personally, it is more convenient and functional then hiding them to another screen (like in v1.3). The important thing is that they are nicely arranged at the bottom and not all over the place like in current v2.3.
I guess it depends on which buttons you use and how often. I rarely use these buttons so I wouldn't mind if they were merged but other people will have other opinions.
Actually, @Pecca , I'm not sure the brown colour works for the text headings in the BG2 picture. For me, that's a brown on a darker brown... they are very similar, and so it makes the text harder to read.
I'd suggest to pick an orangey-gold colour from the background image instead of the brown colour for BG2. The same for the XP progressbar. That way it would be lighter so easier to read and carries the theme of the UI through.
Wow I seemed to have missed alot of awesome discussions about the UI :O! Looking good so far !
Edit: There seems to be a big main post i missed but i was wondering has it been suggested if we could get a "hover" tool-tip over each of the things in the record screen? Even with things like status effects where it might show you what the effect does and how long it has left? This could also be for things like dex where if its red you hover over it and it says eg: Dex 18- 3(Curse of X). .. then maybe include to say AC Bonus + X.
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Save vs. Wand
Save vs. Spell
Save vs. Death
Save vs. Polymorph
Save vs. Breath
vs. Wand
vs. Spell
vs. Death
vs. Polymorph
vs. Breath
Rzut obronny przeciw różdżkom
Rzut obronny przeciw czarom
Rzut obronny przeciw śmierci
Rzut obronny przeciw polimorfii
Rzut obronny przeciw zionięciom
A bit longer than in English, right?
Przeciw różdżkom
Przeciw czarom
Przeciw śmierci
Przeciw polimorfii
Przeciw zionięciom
And I think from a 'look and feel' perspective it avoids repetitive text...
When you design the UI screen, you must always keep in mind that any boxes with text inside should be bigger for foreign languages. You cannot pretend to cut the translation. Most of the time the result is not great at all.
The UI translations are available, so any future work on the UI can and should be done doing some test with other languages as well. At least if you want to do things right and with quality.
Also surprising is that I know my way around the UI without being able to speak all the languages. That suggests, on one level at least, that the UI design works well enough.
That style works for SOD and BG2EE ...
Also, it's just my opinion, but I don't find the progress bar useful. It's redundant information, the current implementation is bad as this show the percentage since level 1 not compared to the previous level. And this does not handle multi/dual classes.
I'd suggest to pick an orangey-gold colour from the background image instead of the brown colour for BG2. The same for the XP progressbar. That way it would be lighter so easier to read and carries the theme of the UI through.
Edit: There seems to be a big main post i missed but i was wondering has it been suggested if we could get a "hover" tool-tip over each of the things in the record screen? Even with things like status effects where it might show you what the effect does and how long it has left? This could also be for things like dex where if its red you hover over it and it says eg: Dex 18- 3(Curse of X). .. then maybe include to say AC Bonus + X.
Just a thought. More helpful for new players.