Otiluke's Resilient Sphere bug

iNtu

So, I've made a dual class - Bounty Hunter 11/ Fighter character.
Everything went fine till I reached 3kk XP and suddenly my traps started erecting Otiluke's Resilient Spheres...

Does anyone know hot to get rid of this bug?

iNtu

nvm, found the way around it, but it makes me sad
opened EE keeper and set bounty hunter level to 7 the rest kinda stayed the same, deals dmg and holds monsters like it should do at 11th level

ThacoBell

Its not a bug, the Bounty Hunter eventually gets Otiluke's Resilient Sphere as its special trap. I believe you eventually get maze as well.

iNtu

How is it not a bug? DUAL CLASS !!! Bounty Hunter stays at 11, nothing should change

ThacoBell

Oops, didn't read that carefully enough. It could be because even if you don't advance in that class anymore, your charname is still flagged as a bounty hunter, and the special traps are tied to experience earned.

sarevok57

if im not mistaken, you get 2 sets of traps, with your bounty hunter, your normal thief traps, and your special traps, and your special traps are made for "holding enemies in place" sort of thing, so its not a bug at all if your special traps are doing what they are supposed to be doing, if you really didn't want the special traps, then perhaps being a bounty hunter wasn't the class to be?

Lord_Tansheron

sarevok57 said:

if im not mistaken, you get 2 sets of traps, with your bounty hunter, your normal thief traps, and your special traps, and your special traps are made for "holding enemies in place" sort of thing, so its not a bug at all if your special traps are doing what they are supposed to be doing, if you really didn't want the special traps, then perhaps being a bounty hunter wasn't the class to be?

To clarify once more, the question is not why the OP is getting special traps (because they are a BH, obviously), but why they keep improving with levels EVEN THOUGH IT'S A DUAL CLASS AND THE BOUNTY HUNTER IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ADVANCING ANY LONGER.

iNtu

Lord_Tansheron said:

To clarify once more, the question is not why the OP is getting special traps (because they are a BH, obviously), but why they keep improving with levels EVEN THOUGH IT'S A DUAL CLASS AND THE BOUNTY HUNTER IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ADVANCING ANY LONGER.

Yep, that's what I was complaining about.

Kurona

Afaik innate abilities can't differentiate between your classes unlike wizard or priest spells so they calculate an average between your levels. Probably not an exact average either and it seems to be computed differently for dual and multi classes.

Someone more knowledgeable might be needed here.

AstroBryGuy

Kurona said:

Afaik innate abilities can't differentiate between your classes unlike wizard or priest spells so they calculate an average between your levels. Probably not an exact average either and it seems to be computed differently for dual and multi classes.

Someone more knowledgeable might be needed here.

This is correct. Innate abilities are not tied to a particular class, and they use the average of the character's levels. Although it affects both multi- and dual-classed characters, it is most noticeable for dual-class characters since they will have a greater difference between the active current and former classes.

https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/491819/#Comment_491819

So, for the OP's situation, at 20 Fighter/11 Bounty Hunter, the effective character level is (20+11)/2 = 15.5, round up to 16.

To fix, this would need a change to the SPL file format to add a flag to "Use X class level". Checking in Near Infinity, it looks like byte 1 of the header flags is unused, so it could be set as follows:

Bit 0 = Use Warrior level (i.e., Fighter/Ranger/Paladin/Monk)
Bit 1 = Use Rogue level (i.e., Thief/Bard)
Bit 2 = Use Priest level (i.e, Cleric/Druid/Shaman)
Bit 3 = Use Mage level (i.e, Wizard/Sorcerer)

If all bits are off, use the average character level, i.e., current game behavior.

If one (or more) bits are on, use the highest appropriate, active class level (this would allow Swashbucklers to use Whirlwind by checking it for Warriors and Rogues). If the character does not have an appropriate, active class (e.g., a Fighter using an innate with only Bit 1 checked), use a class level of 1.

This could cause some issues for kit mods that borrow other classes' innate abilities (e.g., a ranger kit with a "Set Snare" ability).