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Skie: Who's your daddy?

Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 3,104
So, Skie. Is she . . .

Bhaalspawn?


Because . . .

When she turned into the Slayer I cast Detect Evil and she was evil


And if she is . . .

Bhaalspawn


That means that . . .

Entar Silvershield isn't her father


So at my trial I should be able to say . . .

Quit crying Duke. She wasn't even yours. Your wife Brilla cuckolded you with the Lord of Murder.


Which probably wouldn't have helped my case but would have been sort of satisfying.
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  • PaulaMigratePaulaMigrate Member Posts: 767

    So, Skie. Is she . . .

    Bhaalspawn?


    Because . . .

    When she turned into the Slayer I cast Detect Evil and she was evil


    And if she is . . .

    Bhaalspawn


    That means that . . .

    Entar Silvershield isn't her father


    So at my trial I should be able to say . . .

    Quit crying Duke. She wasn't even yours. Your wife Brilla cuckolded you with the Lord of Murder.


    Which probably wouldn't have helped my case but would have been sort of satisfying.

    There is much more evidence/hints throughout SoD that your assumption is correct. Just think of how you first meet her outside of the camp where she has singlehandedly (and nearly unarmed) killed a couple of (well armed and experienced) soldiers on some thin excuse...The hooded man claims he is evaluating several possibilities, doesn't he? etc...
    Permidion_Starktbone1Aerakar
  • jasteyjastey Member Posts: 359
    Is this a mere oversight from the developpers or is it possible to change the alignment in an illusion so it would have been I. who made her seem like a real slayer?
    Zaghoul
  • jasteyjastey Member Posts: 359
    It's an interesting dialogue idea for a paladin PC or a mage (who might try a dispell of some kind), though. "Whoever caused the illusion was even able to make it seem real in every way." (Not that anyone would listen at the end of SoD, mind.)
    Permidion_Stark
  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 3,104
    jastey said:

    It's an interesting dialogue idea for a paladin PC or a mage (who might try a dispell of some kind), though. "Whoever caused the illusion was even able to make it seem real in every way." (Not that anyone would listen at the end of SoD, mind.)

    Thinking about it, someone in my party was wearing the Clasp of Helm which allows you to Detect Illusion once per day, so I might go back and see if it is possible to detect whether the Slayer is an illusion or not.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 3,024
    It is an illusion
    If you don't attack it, it eventually dies in its own. In a cutscene with the Hooded Man later, you see the event for what really happened. The Hooded Man whips out SoulTaker and simply stabs a helpless Skie.
    Permidion_Starkmf2112AerakarJuliusBorisov
  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 3,104
    I went back wearing the Clasp of Helm and cast Detect Illusion but it didn't do anything. So whilst it is an illusion the game doesn't know it is an illusion. I guess it is one of those spells that only Irenicus can cast (like Create Sewage Golem).
  • mf2112mf2112 Member, Moderator Posts: 1,888
    It took a quite a while running around avoiding it before the game finally went to the next scene with the hooded man stabbing Skie himself, a minute or more it seemed like.
    JuliusBorisov
  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 3,104
    My paladin had a -10 armour class when she bumped into it so she didn't even have to run around; she just stood there (the game text said something like I had just got into my bedroll when it appeared so apparently I sleep in full armour and take my shield to bed). The thing is billed as an 'Unknowable Horror' rather than a 'Slayer'.

    I wonder how Irenicus knows what the Slayer form will look like?
  • KuronaKurona Member Posts: 749

    I wonder how Irenicus knows what the Slayer form will look like?

    Bhaal used to roam around in Slayer form and it's apparently well documented. Imoen recognizes it immediately in Spellhold.
    Permidion_StarkThacoBell
  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 3,104
    edited September 13
    Kurona said:

    I wonder how Irenicus knows what the Slayer form will look like?

    Bhaal used to roam around in Slayer form and it's apparently well documented. Imoen recognizes it immediately in Spellhold.
    Cool. I never noticed that she said that.

    If he wandered round looking like that it makes you wonder how he managed to get laid so often?
  • KuronaKurona Member Posts: 749
    edited September 13
    It's just after your forced transformation against Bodhi in the Maze, specifically when you revert to normal. Imoen's reaction has priority but other people (like Jaheira) also recognize the Slayer on sight and will comment on it if Imoen isn't in the party at the time. Aerie is the one mentioning reading about it texts though.
    Permidion_Stark
  • ZaghoulZaghoul Member Posts: 1,377
    jastey said:

    Is this a mere oversight from the developpers or is it possible to change the alignment in an illusion so it would have been I. who made her seem like a real slayer?

    There was an old 3rd lvl illusionist spell in 1st edition AD&D called Delude, it allowed him to exchange his alignment with the target's alignment. The targets alignment stayed the same but with a little spell research and making it a little higher spell, I'm sure a high lvl dude like Big I could make it be a total switch.

    Anyways, a spell that would alter a caster's alignment for a time might be of use in the BG series.
  • chimaerachimaera Member Posts: 334
    I don't remember the details of that cutscene, but how do we know it's an illusion put on Skie, and not an enchantment put on charname? E.g. charname is hallucinating her being the slayer?

    (btw, my good aligned charname, not wanting to hurt her, went invisible during that scene; it's kind of hilarious when the guards barge in to arrest the invisible guy)
    Permidion_Stark
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 3,024
    @chimaera It very easily could be. The main point is that Skie does not literally transform.
  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 3,104
    edited September 14
    chimaera said:

    I don't remember the details of that cutscene, but how do we know it's an illusion put on Skie, and not an enchantment put on charname? E.g. charname is hallucinating her being the slayer?

    I was wearing the Helm of Unwavering Purpose so I was immune to Confusion.

    And if it was an enchantment wouldn't the circle under the charname have turned red? (I think the circle under the Unknowable Horror was yellow but I may be misremembering that.)

    Edit: I went back and checked and both the Charname and the Unknowable Horror have yellow circles under them. So maybe they are both part of the same nightmare?
    Post edited by Permidion_Stark on
  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 3,104
    edited September 14

    There is much more evidence/hints throughout SoD that your assumption is correct. Just think of how you first meet her outside of the camp where she has singlehandedly (and nearly unarmed) killed a couple of (well armed and experienced) soldiers on some thin excuse...The hooded man claims he is evaluating several possibilities, doesn't he? etc...

    I've just remembered, there is also a moment (I think in the camp in the Troll Claw Woods?) where Bence Duncan gives Skie an order and she punches him out, felling him with a single blow, before flouncing back into her tent. Which is pretty impressive for a Thief with STR 11. It might also make you think that Bence himself would be happy to see her dead?

  • Mush_MushMush_Mush Member Posts: 465

    Kurona said:

    I wonder how Irenicus knows what the Slayer form will look like?

    Bhaal used to roam around in Slayer form and it's apparently well documented. Imoen recognizes it immediately in Spellhold.
    Cool. I never noticed that she said that.
    The IFC hereby demotes you to "casual fan."

    SHAME...SHAME...SHAME...
    Permidion_Stark
  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 3,104
    Mush_Mush said:

    Kurona said:

    I wonder how Irenicus knows what the Slayer form will look like?

    Bhaal used to roam around in Slayer form and it's apparently well documented. Imoen recognizes it immediately in Spellhold.
    Cool. I never noticed that she said that.
    The IFC hereby demotes you to "casual fan."

    SHAME...SHAME...SHAME...
    I'm so ashamed. I would like to apologize for any embarrassment I have caused to other members of the IFC. I hereby resign from my position as Un-elected President For Life. I am not fit to hold such high office.
    Mush_Mush
  • Abi_DalzimAbi_Dalzim Member Posts: 1,173
    It's pretty trivial to chug a potion of invisibility and wait for Irenicus to step in, instead of running away.
  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 3,104
    I've just realised something. Skie can't be . . .

    Bhaalspawn


    because . . .

    she doesn't disintegrate when the Hooded Man kills her.
  • PaulaMigratePaulaMigrate Member Posts: 767
    edited September 18

    I've just realised something. Skie can't be . . .

    Bhaalspawn


    because . . .

    she doesn't disintegrate when the Hooded Man kills her.

    All these assumptions about what happens with a dead bhaalspawn are repeated in several forums again and again but none of that was ever proven. Repetition by copycats is not eveidence.
    E.g. "You can't ressurect a bhaalspawn?" Why not, I did with Imoen hundreds of times.
    "They desintegrate upon dead." We have that great end movie for Sarevok, but he is the only one, none of them in Saradush *exits* like that. He's the BG1 villain, so he gets the extra treatment.
    There is a lot of interpretation going on, but not all is based on what the game says (which is very little, much is left to your fantasy - and that's a good thing.)
    We all know that the *lore* within the game is not without contradictions and what people claim to be rules or *canon* has just as many exceptions.
    Aerakartbone1Permidion_Stark
  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 3,104
    I'm starting to think that everyone is Bhaalspawn. Maybe even Irenicus is Bhaalspawn and he just hasn't realised it yet?
  • PaulaMigratePaulaMigrate Member Posts: 767
    There was one other, on the High Hedge map, what's his name? Permidon Stark?
    ArtonaPermidion_StarkAerakarJuliusBorisov
  • ArtonaArtona Member Posts: 700
    Ah, famed Permidion Stark. So he is not only true lord of Winterfell, but also spawn of Bhaal?
    ;)
    Permidion_Stark
  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 3,104
    Damn! And I never thought anyone would see through my cunning disguise.






    AerakarJuliusBorisov
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