How can I charm Tazok?

makiru

Good day
Tell me, how can I charm Tazok? a decrease in saving throws and a strong charm for him do not work, a cloak too. I try this on BGEE

please help me

makiru

In Bandit's camp, after the script began the conversation between Tazok and my NPC on any of the options (the peaceful end of the dialogue or the duel with Tazok), I can not enchant him. He always throws a saving throw. How did you do that? I really want to see his hidden dialogue.

sarevok57

from what i can see, it doesn't look like he has any immunities to charm, but he does have a killer save vs spell of 1,

so what you might have to do is cast greater malison on him, and then have Xan cast dire charm on him, which will still only have a 20% of actually working,

if you are using charm person, the chance of it working is 0%

if you use algeron's cloak, it has a 5% chance of working ( unless stacked with greater malison then it is 15% chance )

if you have a non enchanter cast dire charm on him, it will have a 0% chance of working on him

if you have a non enchanter cast dire charm on him while he has greater malison then there is only a 10% it will succeed

Raduziel

There's always a 5% chance of working, actually.

Rolling 1 is always a failure, no matter how low your save is.

WarChiefZeke

I must have gotten lucky. I charmed Tazok once and did it on my first try. I thought it was easy.

Skatan

Raduziel said:

There's always a 5% chance of working, actually.

Rolling 1 is always a failure, no matter how low your save is.

Is this really true? I was under the impression there's no "critical fail" on saving throws as there is on ie attack rolls.

Grond0

That's right - there is no critical fail on saving throws. However, you can boost your chances a bit more than suggested above:
- the specialist penalty if charm is cast by an enchanter is -2
- the penalty for greater malison is -4 (i.e. 20% rather than 10%)
- you could also use doom for a further -2
- if you have a 7th level priest or 9th level mage you could use domination instead of dire charm for -2

Raduziel

It's different from PnP, then.

Sorry for the misinformation, guys.

Grond0

I agree it is a bit odd that BG was implemented with a critical miss on attacks, but not a critical fail on saving throws. A similar oddity is that there is no critical fail for stealing from shops, but there is a critical fail on pickpocketing.

Raduziel

Grond0 said:

I agree it is a bit odd that BG was implemented with a critical miss on attacks, but not a critical fail on saving throws. A similar oddity is that there is no critical fail for stealing from shops, but there is a critical fail on pickpocketing.

I could swear that there was critical miss for stealing from shops.

Living and learning.

Yulaw9460

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sarevok57

Raduziel said:

Grond0 said:

I agree it is a bit odd that BG was implemented with a critical miss on attacks, but not a critical fail on saving throws. A similar oddity is that there is no critical fail for stealing from shops, but there is a critical fail on pickpocketing.

I could swear that there was critical miss for stealing from shops.

Living and learning.

you are correct, on the shop one, im pretty sure i saw somewhere that there is always a 1% chance to fail at stealing from a shop, and i've even seen it with my own eyes in SoA, but not ToB oddly enough

Grond0

sarevok57 said:

Raduziel said:

Grond0 said:

I agree it is a bit odd that BG was implemented with a critical miss on attacks, but not a critical fail on saving throws. A similar oddity is that there is no critical fail for stealing from shops, but there is a critical fail on pickpocketing.

I could swear that there was critical miss for stealing from shops.

Living and learning.

you are correct, on the shop one, im pretty sure i saw somewhere that there is always a 1% chance to fail at stealing from a shop, and i've even seen it with my own eyes in SoA, but not ToB oddly enough

I'm pretty sure that's not the case, although I agree the suggestion of a critical fail has been widely spread on the internet. I think if you've seen a failure it's because the chance of success wasn't 100% in the first place (it can require well over 200% skill to get a 100% chance of success against some merchants).

SomeSort

Grond0 said:

sarevok57 said:

Raduziel said:

Grond0 said:

I agree it is a bit odd that BG was implemented with a critical miss on attacks, but not a critical fail on saving throws. A similar oddity is that there is no critical fail for stealing from shops, but there is a critical fail on pickpocketing.

I could swear that there was critical miss for stealing from shops.

Living and learning.

you are correct, on the shop one, im pretty sure i saw somewhere that there is always a 1% chance to fail at stealing from a shop, and i've even seen it with my own eyes in SoA, but not ToB oddly enough

I'm pretty sure that's not the case, although I agree the suggestion of a critical fail has been widely spread on the internet. I think if you've seen a failure it's because the chance of success wasn't 100% in the first place (it can require well over 200% skill to get a 100% chance of success against some merchants).

Definitely no critical fail on stealing from shopkeepers, at least in BG2. I've done the "steal > sell > steal > sell" cycle on fences dozens of times without saving or reloading at any point. If there was even a 1% failure rate, the chances of me getting through 100 steal > sell cycles without issue should only be around 1/3rd. If you get your pickpocket score high enough, you're definitely guaranteed to succeed against any merchant in the game, (it's just that "high enough" usually means over 200, even higher for a really tough merchant like Bernard).

I've never seen a critical fail on pickpocketing, either, though it's much more possible that that exists and I've just not noticed it, because I'm never pickpocketing 100 times in a row like I am stealing from shops.