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Is There Something Wrong with Simulacrum?

After patch, my level 31 sorcerer's simulacrum can cast lvl 9 spells and hlas. Before it could only cast up to level 8. I think this is a bug.

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  • Jaheiras_WitnessJaheiras_Witness Member Posts: 525
    Nothing wrong, it is basic maths. Simulacra are created at 60% of your current level (any roundings go down).

    At level 29, your Simulacra would be 60% x 29 = 17.4, which rounded is level 17.

    At level 30 it is 60% x 30 = 18.

    A 17th level sorcerer simulacrum can cast up to level 8 spells so does not get your real character’s level 9 spells. An 18th level sorcerer simulacrum can cast level 9 spells and therefore does get them.

    Mystery solved.

    Borek
  • MyragMyrag Member Posts: 282
    edited July 2018
    @Jaheiras_Witness Contrary to popular belief (incorrect description) single classed mages get simulacrum at 50% of level, multi at 60% and dual at 75%.

    But I've noticed that in 2.5 even my lvl 29 sorc simulacra can cast 3 level 9 spells. So maybe they changed it to 60% now. 3 casts would suggest lvl 18 so 60% rounded up.

    Tested also lvl 28 sorc. Simulacra could only cast lvl 8 spells.

    Jaheiras_WitnessBorekTressetsemiticgod
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 7,570
    Myrag said:

    Contrary to popular belief (incorrect description) single classed mages get simulacrum at 50% of level, multi at 60% and dual at 75%.

    This is something I didn't know about. I assume, however, that the devs changed it to 60% for everyone who casts the spell for consistency and to match the description.

  • MyragMyrag Member Posts: 282
    @Tresset doesn't seem to be the case for Dual either. My Kensai 13 -> Mage 28 simulacrum can cast 3 level 9 spell which seems weird.

    75% of 28 is exactly 21 and 21 level mage can cast 2 level 9 spells
    60% of 28 is 16.8 which would mean 17 rounded up so 0 level 9 spells

    None of the cases match.

  • CamDawgCamDawg Member, Developer Posts: 3,394
    Thanks @kjeron, I guess we get to revisit it for v2.6.

  • AlonsoAlonso Member Posts: 740
    kjeron wrote: »
    There was also some additional wonk for dual-classes, but this should also be addressed.
    Looks like it hasn't been addressed, yet.
    Sarevok: 28F/16M -> Simulacrum: 28F/5M // 100%/31%, 71% (33/46)
    Sarevok: 28F/18M -> Simulacrum: 28F/7M // 100%/38%, 76% (35/46)
    Sarevok: 20F/16M -> Simulacrum: 20F/8M // 100%/50%, 77% (28/36)
    Sarevok: 17F/16M -> Simulacrum: 17F/10M // 100%/60%, 81% (27/33)
    Sarevok: 10F/16M -> Simulacrum: 10F/12M // 100%/75%, 84% (22/26)
    Sarevok: 10F/18M -> Simulacrum: 10F/14M // 100%/77%, 85% (24/28)
    Sarevok: 10F/23M -> Simulacrum: 10F/19M // 100%/77%, 87% (29/33)
    Sarevok: 2F/18M -> Simulacrum: 2F/18M // 100%/100%, 100% (20/20)

    It drains only second class levels at 40% of the original class.
    28F/16M = 28F/(16 - 28*.4)M = 28F/(16 - 11)M = 28F/5M
    28F/18M = 28F/(18 - 28*.4)M = 28F/(18 - 11)M = 28F/7M
    20F/16M = 20F/(16 - 20*.4)M = 20F/(16 - 8)M = 20F/8M
    17F/16M = 17F/(16 - 17*.4)M = 17F/(16 - 6)M = 17F/10M
    10F/16M = 10F/(16 - 10*.4)M = 10F/(16 - 4)M = 10F/12M

    Can you explain the meaning of those numbers?

  • subtledoctorsubtledoctor Member Posts: 11,174
    edited June 14
    Alonso wrote: »
    kjeron wrote: »
    There was also some additional wonk for dual-classes, but this should also be addressed.
    Looks like it hasn't been addressed, yet.
    Sarevok: 28F/16M -> Simulacrum: 28F/5M // 100%/31%, 71% (33/46)
    Sarevok: 28F/18M -> Simulacrum: 28F/7M // 100%/38%, 76% (35/46)
    Sarevok: 20F/16M -> Simulacrum: 20F/8M // 100%/50%, 77% (28/36)
    Sarevok: 17F/16M -> Simulacrum: 17F/10M // 100%/60%, 81% (27/33)
    Sarevok: 10F/16M -> Simulacrum: 10F/12M // 100%/75%, 84% (22/26)
    Sarevok: 10F/18M -> Simulacrum: 10F/14M // 100%/77%, 85% (24/28)
    Sarevok: 10F/23M -> Simulacrum: 10F/19M // 100%/77%, 87% (29/33)
    Sarevok: 2F/18M -> Simulacrum: 2F/18M // 100%/100%, 100% (20/20)

    It drains only second class levels at 40% of the original class.
    28F/16M = 28F/(16 - 28*.4)M = 28F/(16 - 11)M = 28F/5M
    28F/18M = 28F/(18 - 28*.4)M = 28F/(18 - 11)M = 28F/7M
    20F/16M = 20F/(16 - 20*.4)M = 20F/(16 - 8)M = 20F/8M
    17F/16M = 17F/(16 - 17*.4)M = 17F/(16 - 6)M = 17F/10M
    10F/16M = 10F/(16 - 10*.4)M = 10F/(16 - 4)M = 10F/12M

    Can you explain the meaning of those numbers?

    Basically he was saying that if you are dual-class, the amount of level drain is calculated only from your first class, but is applied only to your second class. This can wildly alter the amount of level drain that is actually applied to the clone. It is a bug.

    Incidentally I'm working on a mod that removes level drain from Simulacrum and replaces it with static, predictable penalties. This also means there won't be any trouble figuring out which spells your simulacrum will have memorized. :smiley:

    Post edited by subtledoctor on
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