Ranking maps by difficulty
GaelicVigil
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I never noticed it, but dudleyville has a walk-through of the whole game by map. I've always thought it would be interesting to rank each area by difficulty to get the smoothest difficulty curve possible. I think his order is pretty good, but I was most surprised by his decision to have completed both the Gnoll Stronghold and Ulcaster before entering the Nashkel Mines. Doesn't Ulcaster contain dread and vampiric wolves? I wonder why not both Ulcaster and Firewine first since I've always felt they were almost identical in difficulty.
Thoughts? Anyone have a better path?
Thoughts? Anyone have a better path?
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I then go west to the area with Captain Brage, where I take him (and subsequently, myself) to Nashkel. If I am a fighter or cleric type class I can then also pick up the ankheg plate mail. If you don't need the armour or do not want the reputation boosts you can find in Nashkel, this stage is more optional. If I'm feeling brave, I also fight the half-ogres in Drizzt's area on the way to Brage's area, which I can later tell Björnin about in the Jovial Juggler in Beregost for a shield +1.
After this I go east to Mutamin's garden to farm XP from the basilisks. Usually by this point I have at least 32000 XP, so I may start recruiting some NPCs assuming I'm not soloing.
Finally I go to Beregost to kill Silke and the Red wizards, then to the area south of High hedge to kill Bassilus and the Hobgoblin group, and to recover Melicamp, who I then bring to Thalantyr.
After all this I then FINALLY go to the Nashkel mines. Area order after that is a bit random to be honest. Of course there are some specific exceptions to the above route, for example a mage should rush straight to the Friendly Arm Inn to get the ring of wizardry rather than going to Beregost.
This is the route that I personally find to be fairly easy and also yield a lot of treasure and XP, but opinion on route can differ a lot based on the player, the class of their character, what mods are installed, and if you are Role playing/not metagaming.
As for starting with Ulcaster that does seem pretty hard (if I remember correctly, Vampiric wolves both paralyse their target and heal themselves on attack), not to mention traps, which you would want a decently levelled thief for. Firewine could be easier if you have access to sleep/colour spray, but again traps.
There are no vampiric wolves in Ulcaster unless you have installed a mod (SCS I think), dread wolves only.
I'd say the gnoll stronghold is pretty doable early on.
Like most, I head for Beregost to get some easy XP under the belt.
And embarrassingly, solo for a while to get charname levels up before recruiting. (I've tried, really tried but it's such a slog with a party and very low levels).
With a party, I'd say the rule of thumb is to go to places where you have lots of room to manoever/kite and make sure everybody is equipped with ranged weapons.
So all the dungeons are dangerous with a low level party.
One thing to remember though, if you hit Nashkel without speaking to Jaheira/Khalid or Xzar/Monteron, you lose the opportunity to pick them up later.
The Coast Way, where the Ogre with the belt fetish is to be found, is a bit harder so maybe that is a 2. The Friendly Arm Inn is really easy apart from the encounter with Tarnesh but that encounter can be really hard the first time you play so is it a 2 or a 3? Or are they all 1s?
It is the kind of thing we could have endless arguments about .
You are correct, sorry my bad.
SCS upgrades that one to the "Wolf of Ulcaster" that's where I was getting mixed up.
So if Lion's Way is rated as 1 then I would argue that Mutamin's Garden should be a 4 or a 5.
The petrified person on the temple map is definitely from a mod. I don't think there is any warning in the original game. I still remember the first time I stumbled on Mutamin's Garden and was totally unprepared for what was going to happen. It was a very short visit. Fighting basilisks without protection from petrification isn't a good idea . . .
I would maybe state that the most difficult one is the spider area around cloakwood (?), but then again, having a thief disarming all web traps before kiting in the spiders makes it so easy. Same with sirens around the coast, superhard with unlucky rolls or poor preparation, but extremely easy with protections. Wyvern poisons have killed off many of my comrades and charnames since I am usually quite lazy and don't properly prepare for that, relying only on low AC. I find myself digging through the backpack for antidotes often if I haven't got slow poison as a bhaal power by then. The battles after Nashkel mines is one I can sometimes struggle on, especially on runs where I refuse resting unless RP'd, the mercs waiting on the north area are tough if you run into them at level 2-3 with depleted spells, though web/fireball meta makes that easy when you know they are there. The undead guy in one of the tombs wanting his dagger back can be tough there as well if you are low level and have poor weapon choices. Hmm.. this is hard! The hardest merc battle I think is the group on the bottom of the Gulykin map, Molkar and his team. I tend to run into them at a failry low level and they can slaughter groups if/when unprepared.
EDIT: To be frank, Tarnesh and Silke are the ones who have killed me the most, so thinking about it i guess Beregost or FAI are my numero uno hard areas overall. Taking on Silke at level 1 usually requires a couple of reloads. Tarnesh continued to kill me off even long, long after I was an experienced player.
I will say the map that consistently strikes fear into me, if playing completionist (my usual case) is Pelvdale. So many poison arrows, so little reward. This is the one map that I consistently think about skipping.
On the easy side, I would put the zombie farm at the very far North. This is an open map that is easy to travel, no surprises, and one easy hunt-the-zombies quest that seems easy for parties of even low level - but is usually stumbled into at mid-level or higher.
The bridge guards at Durlag's Tower provide a good gating for the difficulty of this map - when your party can take them out, you are probably ready for the rest of the map too (although those basilisks on the roof continue to frustrate me!)
More likely NPC.