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StummvonBordwehr wrote: »
I play paladins all the time, and often undead hunters. I always keep the real illithium - anything else is a ville and base act imho, and should make paladins and rangers fall . Nothing less.
Here is why:
Illithium makes a great weapon into a superb weapon. The imm. to level drain makes a real difference - a difference that only a few items and spells make ( and with an endless duration). A must have for any party hunting the undead.
And what happens to this fine and rare ingredient, that could help getting rid of the undead, if you give it to Sarles?
It is to be showcased in the high halls of some fancy faith for no good use - its pride in its basest form. A just and good God would have none of it!!
Cheating the church of helm is not an evil act . Its the right thing to do. The church is showboating its proud ways. If you look at the questgivers, it says a lot.
Ridding the streets of shadow thiefs and vampires? Not our problem.
Someone is taking our congregation? Kill them. And while you are it, give us a rare object of goodness so we can humble the other faiths. Thank you Helm!!!
And the artist Sir Sarles? He is a vain and proud creature. He doesnt see the vampire attacks and is aloof to the obvious injustice going on in the streets.
And where does Sarles lodge? At people who are connected to the mind flayers - mind flayers who are in the middle of building an army in sewers. The mind flayers who happen to harbour powerfull objects like the hammer of thunderbolts and the wand of wonder. Sarles wants to reduce a precious and rare metal into a showpiece - instead of doing some good.
So giving Sarles the metal is not an act of goodness nor lawfull (there is more to the law than the letter of the law. I say giring Sarles the metal is a vile and unjust act - its pride at best, and helping genocide at worst.
So keep the illithium and cheat the pridefull - anything else is evil.
Btw: Imo the whole depiction of the churces is intended from Bioware. Its religion at its worst - and an intent mirror of the 1.200 century church in Rome. Martin Luther would agree with me on this... I think
BelgarathMTH wrote: »
@StummvonBordwehr , I concede your point about the Church of Helm. What happens if you try to give the Church of Lathander the cheap knockoff? Also, is anyone lying to anyone anywhere along the way here about what they're getting?
Thank you for not taking my disagreement with your previous post personally, and for responding thoughtfully and with kindness and respect.
Arvia wrote: »
@ThacoBell , don't apologize, we're just discussing opinions here, and I believe I didn't misunderstand you. I just disagreed politely 🙂
@Nuin , do you really think that Star Wars is more black and white than a setting with fixed alignments?
I didn't think of Yoda when I wrote my own post (@BelgarathMTH , you have a talent to find the right examples) , but it's exactly what I meant.
And nobody says that lawful good types, or those trying to be, don't make mistakes and learn from them. But they know directly if it was a mistake. Because it feels wrong.
"Expecting too much from the galaxy's mortal races" ?
No. Expectations and ideals don't need to be adapted to the actual situation, it's the other way round.
The Jedi, Starfleet, the good ones in Lord of the Rings, whoever else. Trying to be better than what we are is what makes them change fate, and the world, and themselves, too.
Hmmm I wonder if my kids are old enough for Star Wars (the "old" movies).
Lawful characters respect authority
jsaving wrote: »
But doing something you know will sabotage Sarles' recruitment, rendering you unable to fulfill your promise, isn't a lawful act.
Humanoid_Taifun wrote: »
@gorgonzola If you perform the assassination, are you not worried that you are becoming a loose end that the aboleth might want to get rid of?