Chicken Gem Removed?

Sar_Yehudah

https://baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/There's_a_WHAT_in_their_chicken?

Why is it not possible to get the gem from one of the chickens?

ThacoBell

What makes you think its not possible? I get it in all my runs.

argent77

The gem is assigned to the armor slot, which can't be stolen from. You can still buy it off the owner though (or simply kill the chicken).

sarevok57

yeah, in the vanilla game you used to be able to pick pocket it ( i found that out by mistake years ago when i just pick pocketed a chicken for the lols and wouldn't you know, a gem came out, completely blew my mind )

but in the EEs they fixed it so now you have to do it "properly" by either buying them ( good ) or killing them ( bad )

gorgonzola

so in the bg logic chickens wear armor, nice.
i suppose they use some helm like this:


(i don't own the copiright of the image, taken from wikipedia)


really confortable if you happen to have a beak .

leeux

A better proper fix would have been (IMHO) to make it so you already pickpocketed it you won't have the option to buy it, nor it would drop if killed

Personally I'm always against changes that remove options from the player and the game, because if you continue to do that, extrapolating that tendency, in the end it'll just make BG a less memorable game... one of the things that makes it so great IMO, is all the hidden stuff and things that you can do to achieve the same results in the end.

sarevok57

leeux wrote: »

A better proper fix would have been (IMHO) to make it so you already pickpocketed it you won't have the option to buy it, nor it would drop if killed

Personally I'm always against changes that remove options from the player and the game, because if you continue to do that, extrapolating that tendency, in the end it'll just make BG a less memorable game... one of the things that makes it so great IMO, is all the hidden stuff and things that you can do to achieve the same results in the end.

my assumption as to why they changed it in the EEs is because that wasn't the way the original devs intended that to go, so every time beamdog finds something that they think was not the intended idea for something, they will change it

leeux

sarevok57 wrote: »

my assumption as to why they changed it in the EEs is because that wasn't the way the original devs intended that to go, so every time beamdog finds something that they think was not the intended idea for something, they will change it

Well, it makes sense with the way the story is told at least!

If it was like Jeb describes and the gem went down the chicken's gullet, it makes no sense to be able to pickpocket it (I don't want to think too much about that )

EDIT: Still... less options is less options

iosfrustration

leeux wrote: »

A better proper fix would have been (IMHO) to make it so you already pickpocketed it you won't have the option to buy it, nor it would drop if killed

Personally I'm always against changes that remove options from the player and the game, because if you continue to do that, extrapolating that tendency, in the end it'll just make BG a less memorable game... one of the things that makes it so great IMO, is all the hidden stuff and things that you can do to achieve the same results in the end.

I agree with this strongly - removing the option to pickpocket the gem from the chicken seems like the sort of thing a petty rules lawyer would insist on in tabletop. "unrealstic!!!!" they cry, ignoring the tiny possibility that orcs may also not be entirely fact-based.

There are so many better ways this could have been done: Maybe give it a 300 skill check to reflect the fact that pickpocketing from the stomach of a chicken is a godly level feat. But just cutting the content seems... not in keeping with the spirit of the game

Sar_Yehudah

what;'s funny is I assumed just killing the chickens would do it. One of them was bound to drop the gem. It didn't. I didn't consider pick pocket as my first option.

Balrog99

In truth, you could justify the pickpocketing if you look at it as the chicken just trying to incubate the beljuril, instead of eating it. It would be pretty easy to 'lift' the gem out of a chicken nest. It's a little unrealistic to envision the chicken being able to eat a gem of that size anyway. In my mind that makes this a fix that didn't need to happen. It's pretty minor though, seeing as it's pretty simple to get it for free if you're evil, or pay a moderate sum for it if you're good...

ThacoBell

@Balrog99 Pretty sure the game flat out says the gem is INSIDE the chicken.

Balrog99

ThacoBell wrote: »

@Balrog99 Pretty sure the game flat out says the gem is INSIDE the chicken.

I know, but that doesn't mean it makes sense. Unless the beljuril is the size of a small pebble it doesn't make sense that a chicken would eat it. For pure RP purposes, logic should dictate over story. I'm more of a power-gamer myself so it really doesn't matter to me personally. I was just giving an RP reason it might make sense to be able to pickpocket it like back in the pre-EE days.

Permidion_Stark

I always figured the whole set up was meant to be a joke, like when you click on the chickens in BG1 multiple times and they eventually say: "There ain't nobody hear but us chickens." Not everything in Baldur's Gate is supposed to make absolute sense and I don't think removing jokes in the name of 'realism' exactly enhances the game.

Zaxares

Balrog99 wrote: »

I know, but that doesn't mean it makes sense. Unless the beljuril is the size of a small pebble it doesn't make sense that a chicken would eat it. For pure RP purposes, logic should dictate over story. I'm more of a power-gamer myself so it really doesn't matter to me personally. I was just giving an RP reason it might make sense to be able to pickpocket it like back in the pre-EE days.

If you talk to one of the other villagers (and bribe them), he reveals that he saw the farmer forcing one of his chickens to swallow something, so that's how it got into the chicken in the first place. And yes, logically you would assume that such a setup would make it impossible to pick-pocket said chicken, but epic-level rolls (in 3rd Ed, anyway) allow you to pull off some INSANE feats (like, an epic level Swim check lets you swim vertically up waterfalls!), soooo... it's probably one of those situations.

Charname: "Yoshimo, how did you even get that gem out of the chicken?"
Yoshimo: "My friend, you wouldn't believe me even if I told you."

Permidion_Stark wrote: »

I always figured the whole set up was meant to be a joke, like when you click on the chickens in BG1 multiple times and they eventually say: "There ain't nobody hear but us chickens." Not everything in Baldur's Gate is supposed to make absolute sense and I don't think removing jokes in the name of 'realism' exactly enhances the game.

Reminds me of how if you click the cows in BG long enough, they go "Ouch. I mean, mooooo!" XD

Permidion_Stark

Zaxares wrote: »

Reminds me of how if you click the cows in BG long enough, they go "Ouch. I mean, mooooo!" XD

There's also a black bear that says: "Hey, BooBoo. That's a nice pickinick basket". Sadly I can't remember which one it is so you may have to click on a lot of bears before you discover which one is Yogi.