@ForSerious I play on mobile and I don’t remember if Reborn UI lengthened the chat/game log bar or not but it feels like it’s too wide horizontally. It goes over 50% of the screen. If it was at say 50% or 40% it’d be perfect
I always forget mobile exist. From what I hear, it sounds like you get half the game. Usually on mobile versions, long press is what right click would be. How do you bring up the radial menu to disarm traps or pick locks? Should be the same thing.
You don’t get half the game. Long press is right click. If you long press on chat bar you get options to filter what is shown. I guess I could play with a split bar. Half game engine logs/half group chat. But that’s for online play and I don’t play online. Boo boo ?
Yes, it feels so much better even I have to manually split it. If I want to see dialogues history, I open the left. For combat, I open the middile. Fewer things cover the screen = more immersive for me.
If we can have an option for single player there (combine or split as default), it would be great.
What do you not like in the font? Can you elaborate?
Specifically, you took a Sans Serif font and changed it out with a Serif font and claim it is easier to read.
File this under: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
A serif font is NOT easier to read, all those little extra strokes and such take up valuable space, particularly between letter spacing. This is two screenshots side by side of the old and the new.
The top is the original, the bottom is the new.
Both of these are set to the same UI scale, and both are high resolution ON.
generally speaking Sans Serif are plain style and Serif are 'fancy' letters.
Seems to me like the design team looked at the original font and said, "Hmm.. how can we make this Fancier?"
Y'all changed the hard-coded the font with a new hard-coded font that can't be overridden. Hard code in a toggle switch to just go back to the original please. How heavy of a download would that possibly be?
..with a new hard-coded font that can't be overridden.
False. I'm gunna go with false on this one. Read my third post in this thread.
Here I fond a Galahad version that's pretty close to the original, but it gets more squashed.
The other font I have is called Source Code Pro. I use it for work all the time, but I'm still not in love with it in NWN. There seems to be a ton of random added spaces. Not sure if that's the font or part of the change to make it use true type fonts. It also seems to be getting a tiny bit of squashing.
A serif font is NOT easier to read, all those little extra strokes and such take up valuable space, particularly between letter spacing. This is two screenshots side by side of the old and the new.
The top is the original, the bottom is the new.
That is YMMV because I find that bottom font a very impressive improvement on readability, because the top's letter spacing is so condensed that I have to stress my eyes to actually see the separation between the i's body and it's dot. Any font where the Is and the ls look the same is also bad for readability IMO. It might have looked acceptable on a 800x600 on a 17" monitor back in 2001 or so, but I'd get actual eye strain from reading the top font for long.
I disagree. That top font always looked bad.
Here's the not high resolution version. I do remember a month or two where I felt like I was straining to read this, but that was from my new (now ten year old) laptop, where they packed the pixels tighter together. I got used to it, and now miss it.
You can't please everyone. Changing to a system where we can change the fonts as we please is the best way to do that. Big praises to Beamdog for doing that.
I think the more important issue with the change is that the default fonts selected in the change, were not good choices.
As @Krivoklat pointed out, they overlap in places. And we've mentioned a number of other things about them.
My biggest beef right now, is that I can't seem to find a font that doesn't get squashed in some way once put into the game. Though I will probably take the time, eventually, to take the tga files with the original fonts, and make true type fonts out of them, I worry that they will also get disfigured once put back in the game.
I disagree. That top font always looked bad.
Here's the not high resolution version. I do remember a month or two where I felt like I was straining to read this, but that was from my new (now ten year old) laptop, where they packed the pixels tighter together. I got used to it, and now miss it.
You can't please everyone. Changing to a system where we can change the fonts as we please is the best way to do that. Big praises to Beamdog for doing that.
I think the more important issue with the change is that the default fonts selected in the change, were not good choices.
As @Krivoklat pointed out, they overlap in places. And we've mentioned a number of other things about them.
My biggest beef right now, is that I can't seem to find a font that doesn't get squashed in some way once put into the game. Though I will probably take the time, eventually, to take the tga files with the original fonts, and make true type fonts out of them, I worry that they will also get disfigured once put back in the game.
Fully agree, different eyes are different and may need different font. Really happy we can customise it now.
We spent some time working on font rendering after the feedback received after the latest stable release:
Fonts: TrueType Fonts renamed to their function, away from font names
Fonts: Combined glyph maps so all languages now share the same font files. Brawler is now the default font for high res typeface, since it was the most popular
Fonts: Mordred numerals no longer offset old-style
Fonts: Slight adjustments to spacing and padding to make it look better
Fonts: You can now tweak font outlines and contrast per-font (via txi)
Fonts: Fixed the wrong font appearing in places like the DM chooser
Fonts: Increased contrast for the high-res variant
Thanks Beamdog for fixing and changing the fonts back. Now if we can just get a drop down box in options to choose from the fonts, custom ones included, would be heaven.
@ForSerious I play on mobile and I don’t remember if Reborn UI lengthened the chat/game log bar or not but it feels like it’s too wide horizontally. It goes over 50% of the screen. If it was at say 50% or 40% it’d be perfect
Hello. I saw that you also play the mobile version, I wanted to ask you about the fonts. I installed new fonts, but in some sections the font does not fit in the fields, can you tell me how to fix this in the mobile version?
@Ardmor It looks like you’re using Russian Cyrillic. I don’t know if that’s the thing and your font looks fat/bold. Try something slimmer and you can if I remember scale the font down I believe in config.
@Ardmor It looks like you’re using Russian Cyrillic. I don’t know if that’s the thing and your font looks fat/bold. Try something slimmer and you can if I remember scale the font down I believe in config.
Thanks, I'll try another font. Do you know if you can somehow edit fonts without a computer?
@Ardmor You can edit NWNEE config file without a computer. Actual font files is outside my knowledge. Probably a lot of work. There’s plenty of great free fonts out there.
@Ardmor You can edit NWNEE config file without a computer. Actual font files is outside my knowledge. Probably a lot of work. There’s plenty of great free fonts out there.
Is the configuration file settings.tml? With fonts I understood everything. Tell me, is it possible to somehow increase the dialog in length and width?
@Ardmor I haven’t played NWN in a little while, but if I remember yes settings.tml is config file. This UI may help with dialogue box sizing, I think it’s the best UI: https://neverwintervault.org/project/nwnee/other/gui/reborn-ui
Reborn UI also has optional NWN2 font you can use for NWNEE.
@Ardmor I haven’t played NWN in a little while, but if I remember yes settings.tml is config file. This UI may help with dialogue box sizing, I think it’s the best UI: https://neverwintervault.org/project/nwnee/other/gui/reborn-ui
Reborn UI also has optional NWN2 font you can use for NWNEE.
Yes, good interface, I play with it. Fonts from nwn 2 do not work with Cyrillic, so I select the font for the game itself
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Thanks, I didn’t know about this. However, is there anyway to make it splits by default? At the moment I have to spilt it every time I reload a game.
Yes, it feels so much better even I have to manually split it. If I want to see dialogues history, I open the left. For combat, I open the middile. Fewer things cover the screen = more immersive for me.
If we can have an option for single player there (combine or split as default), it would be great.
Specifically, you took a Sans Serif font and changed it out with a Serif font and claim it is easier to read.
File this under: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
A serif font is NOT easier to read, all those little extra strokes and such take up valuable space, particularly between letter spacing. This is two screenshots side by side of the old and the new.
The top is the original, the bottom is the new.
Both of these are set to the same UI scale, and both are high resolution ON.
generally speaking Sans Serif are plain style and Serif are 'fancy' letters.
Seems to me like the design team looked at the original font and said, "Hmm.. how can we make this Fancier?"
Y'all changed the hard-coded the font with a new hard-coded font that can't be overridden. Hard code in a toggle switch to just go back to the original please. How heavy of a download would that possibly be?
You never want your text being clipped. This just looks sloppy.
Here I fond a Galahad version that's pretty close to the original, but it gets more squashed.
The other font I have is called Source Code Pro. I use it for work all the time, but I'm still not in love with it in NWN. There seems to be a ton of random added spaces. Not sure if that's the font or part of the change to make it use true type fonts. It also seems to be getting a tiny bit of squashing.
That is YMMV because I find that bottom font a very impressive improvement on readability, because the top's letter spacing is so condensed that I have to stress my eyes to actually see the separation between the i's body and it's dot. Any font where the Is and the ls look the same is also bad for readability IMO. It might have looked acceptable on a 800x600 on a 17" monitor back in 2001 or so, but I'd get actual eye strain from reading the top font for long.
Disclaimer: I wear glasses for 25 years now.
Here's the not high resolution version. I do remember a month or two where I felt like I was straining to read this, but that was from my new (now ten year old) laptop, where they packed the pixels tighter together. I got used to it, and now miss it.
You can't please everyone. Changing to a system where we can change the fonts as we please is the best way to do that. Big praises to Beamdog for doing that.
I think the more important issue with the change is that the default fonts selected in the change, were not good choices.
As @Krivoklat pointed out, they overlap in places. And we've mentioned a number of other things about them.
My biggest beef right now, is that I can't seem to find a font that doesn't get squashed in some way once put into the game. Though I will probably take the time, eventually, to take the tga files with the original fonts, and make true type fonts out of them, I worry that they will also get disfigured once put back in the game.
Fully agree, different eyes are different and may need different font. Really happy we can customise it now.
We spent some time working on font rendering after the feedback received after the latest stable release:
The main font, like in the menu, is back to Galahad. All in all, I'm really liking these font changes.
Hello. I saw that you also play the mobile version, I wanted to ask you about the fonts. I installed new fonts, but in some sections the font does not fit in the fields, can you tell me how to fix this in the mobile version?
Thanks, I'll try another font. Do you know if you can somehow edit fonts without a computer?
Is the configuration file settings.tml? With fonts I understood everything. Tell me, is it possible to somehow increase the dialog in length and width?
Reborn UI also has optional NWN2 font you can use for NWNEE.
Yes, good interface, I play with it. Fonts from nwn 2 do not work with Cyrillic, so I select the font for the game itself