Ok, thanks guys, less bugs for all is a good thing. I know Overhaul won't be giving up any time soon and will continue to improve our beloved BG!
As for the whiners and complainers, have you ever held a serious job where people counted on you for things, and made a mistake or missed something? It happens, but as long as you are open and honest with who your product is going to (like overhaul has been with us), striving to correct the problem is what you can (and should) set out to do as swiftly as possible.
A small team is not an excuse. I paid good money for a product I already have that's riddled with bugs that should have been fixed before release. If it wasn't up to scratch, the release should have been postponed.
Really tired of everyone excusing game companies releasing products that are not fit for purpose and do not function as advertised.
People who complain are being conscientious consumers. People who support companies that that make claims they can't back up are both irresponsible and doing their fellow gamers a disservice.
I wish I hadn't pre-ordered this game, I should have waited until it was properly patched (if ever) and on sale, because it was not worth my $20.
Not excusing anything. I have had only one crash so far (cloakwood which is being addressed) and the rest of the game is much better than the original in my opinion. Plays very well on my PC and loving it.
A small team is not an excuse. I paid good money for a product I already have that's riddled with bugs that should have been fixed before release. If it wasn't up to scratch, the release should have been postponed.
Really tired of everyone excusing game companies releasing products that are not fit for purpose and do not function as advertised.
People who complain are being conscientious consumers. People who support companies that that make claims they can't back up are both irresponsible and doing their fellow gamers a disservice.
I wish I hadn't pre-ordered this game, I should have waited until it was properly patched (if ever) and on sale, because it was not worth my $20.
You've got it backwards. It's people like yourself, the constant whiners, who provide a disservice to every gamer out there.
Here's a company that decided to re-release an ancient great game and make it functional for modern computers. They added in a bunch of new stuff to give you a fresher experience. The new cutscenes are subjective. I can understand everyone clinging to the old ones.
It's a small team rehauling a classic. Too many gamers these days complain about every little thing, too much entitlement really. The launch was far from perfect but spending $20 to support this team of developers so they could release BG:EE was more than worth it. Not only that, the developers continue to support the game with patches and improvements wherever they can.
But please tell me more about how it's a bad thing for customers to support a company enough to fix things. Let's bash them into the ground instead, right? I'll take being constructive over being destructive any day.
I'm not overwhelmed by BG:EE (the change in cinematics, the loss of the opening Nietzsche quote, and other subtractions from the original content make my eye twitch, and they really need to clean up the stats summary presentations on the inventory screen) but… *sigh* Interwebz.
Baldur's Gate and Tales of the Sword Coast still sit in their 6-CD glory in two boxes on my bookshelf. I bought them at release, paying whatever the MSRP was at the time, to be sure. I bought GOG's versions just last night to satisfy my mod cravings while on the go without having to keep remembering to bring that ToB CD everywhere.
But I enjoy BG:EE and will stick to playing it untainted by external mods for now (as sort of a personal challenge/constraint, especially considering I'm playing a monk) and, while again not overwhelmed, I'm not gonna go all bellicose. I do hope Overhaul et al maintain an objective, critical eye towards their work, taking into account the valid criticisms that one can find 'midst the butt-hurt.
Nevermind I see it in the news section of the launcher. haha Cant be troubled to make a post on the forums huh? I tell ya there has been very little communication from the devs since launch. I mean I guess they have our money now so no real need to to communicate.
@cryocore Well then I'am one of those idiots. But then again, i'm a lucky idiot because my version of BGEE doesn't cause major problems up until now and i'm about 12 hours into the game. Perhaps you should give proper bug-reports instead of insulting people and then you are helped?
Nevermind I see it in the news section of the launcher. haha Cant be troubled to make a post on the forums huh? I tell ya there has been very little communication from the devs since launch. I mean I guess they have our money now so no real need to to communicate.
... Except that updating the launcher to reflect the patch contents is communicating with us? They're just not using the forums to do it, so I don't really see how your comment holds any validity whatsoever.
Oh yes I wasnt saying that was actually communicating with us haha.
Its all pretty sad actually. This launch has gone amazingly bad, even for a small house.
If they do a BG2 they will likely not get money from me unless they do something to seriously turn this launch around like buy me a case a beer or come over and give my dog a bath or something.
Realistically, the launch has gone pretty well, aside from some minor hiccups. It's just that the people that are encountering problems are exceptionally vocal about them, while the 95% that didn't encounter problems were busy playing the game and not writing about how mad they were. Either way, we've already had two patches that have been major stability increases and the game has only been out for three days, so I'd say it's a pretty significant effort on their part.
Realistically, the launch has gone pretty well, aside from some minor hiccups. It's just that the people that are encountering problems are exceptionally vocal about them, while the 95% that didn't encounter problems were busy playing the game and not writing about how mad they were.
It's strange how that gets said on each and every videogame release, even at the most buggiest bugfests. I'd say we wait and see and judge the launch six months from now. I have a feeling that it might go both ways, but it's way to early to come out and make such bold statements.
Seriously, the whining is pretty ridiculous. Yes, the launch could have gone more smoothly, and there are some bugs, but between people a) expecting something that just wasn't advertised or going to be a part of the game and b) people who don't get how impossible it is to make a PC game work for everyone due to all the possible hardware configurations, etc, it's pretty silly.
Especially for a $20 game. Your hard earned money? Serious? $20? Please get off the entitlement horse for a moment and take a deep breath. Yes, it's frustrating when the game doesn't work right out of the box, but I doubt there has been a PC game ever designed that doesn't have some varying degree of issues for some people out of the box. It's the nature of the beast.
Whining solves nothing. Trying being constructive. If it bothers you that much, don't by the next game, or wait a few months for patching before you buy it.
You've got it backwards. It's people like yourself, the constant whiners, who provide a disservice to every gamer out there.
Here's a company that decided to re-release an ancient great game and make it functional for modern computers. They added in a bunch of new stuff to give you a fresher experience. The new cutscenes are subjective. I can understand everyone clinging to the old ones.
It's a small team rehauling a classic. Too many gamers these days complain about every little thing, too much entitlement really. The launch was far from perfect but spending $20 to support this team of developers so they could release BG:EE was more than worth it. Not only that, the developers continue to support the game with patches and improvements wherever they can.
But please tell me more about how it's a bad thing for customers to support a company enough to fix things. Let's bash them into the ground instead, right? I'll take being constructive over being destructive any day.
They didn't re-release Baldur's Gate as a present, they did it to make money. They are building on 14 years of modders experience which is freely available for research purposes, and 14 years of software and hardware improvement and they have released something marginally better than the efforts of modders who did it for free, that's full of bugs and broken features that worked fine in the original (and remember that if we were all giving the modders $20 then they would be 'cease and desisted' before your download finished).
It IS a bad thing to support companies that release BROKEN products, especially when they encourage pre-purchasing like the games industry. Releasing things that WORK is the default, but I guess gamers are just so used to getting shafted that they don't realize this anymore, as well as being inured to false advertising.
It is everybody's responsibility to make their concerns and complaints known, and heard, because you can't rely on a company that has already got your money (and much more lucrative projects to work on) to do anything out of the goodness of their hearts, and if you think otherwise then your knowledge of how business works should be considered somewhat lacking.
Again, this game should not have been released in this unfinished state. To release it as it is and claim it as a fully featured product AS ADVERTISED is appalling.
There is no such thing as 'destructive' criticism. There is unfounded criticism, abusive criticism, bad criticism, etc. The only people who use the term 'destructive' criticism are people who can't TAKE criticism. Like Bioware.
It continues to sadden me the abuse people are forced to endure for the crime of standing up for their consumer rights.
I've merged these threads into an announcement so that people can see the patch announcement more clearly.
Also, I'm not going to discourage people from expressing frustrations about the game's release, but please keep the discussion civil. If I see people making personal attacks against other users (either for supporting the game or for not supporting the game), that's going to be a problem.
People who complain about the game being buggy at release should buy a 5CD-disc copy of Baldur's Gate 1, not patch it (as there was no patch at the release of BG1), play it for a few days and than evaluate their own judgmental judgements here on this forum about BGEE on launch day.
I fully patched my BG1 and it was STILL broken. I consider the EE money well spent!
A small team is not an excuse. I paid good money for a product I already have that's riddled with bugs that should have been fixed before release. If it wasn't up to scratch, the release should have been postponed.
Really tired of everyone excusing game companies releasing products that are not fit for purpose and do not function as advertised.
People who complain are being conscientious consumers. People who support companies that that make claims they can't back up are both irresponsible and doing their fellow gamers a disservice.
I wish I hadn't pre-ordered this game, I should have waited until it was properly patched (if ever) and on sale, because it was not worth my $20.
Please make a game for us that is glitch-free, bug-free, crash-free Day 1 of release. Ready? Set... go!!!
You've got it backwards. It's people like yourself, the constant whiners, who provide a disservice to every gamer out there.
Here's a company that decided to re-release an ancient great game and make it functional for modern computers. They added in a bunch of new stuff to give you a fresher experience. The new cutscenes are subjective. I can understand everyone clinging to the old ones.
It's a small team rehauling a classic. Too many gamers these days complain about every little thing, too much entitlement really. The launch was far from perfect but spending $20 to support this team of developers so they could release BG:EE was more than worth it. Not only that, the developers continue to support the game with patches and improvements wherever they can.
But please tell me more about how it's a bad thing for customers to support a company enough to fix things. Let's bash them into the ground instead, right? I'll take being constructive over being destructive any day.
They didn't re-release Baldur's Gate as a present, they did it to make money. They are building on 14 years of modders experience which is freely available for research purposes, and 14 years of software and hardware improvement and they have released something marginally better than the efforts of modders who did it for free, that's full of bugs and broken features that worked fine in the original (and remember that if we were all giving the modders $20 then they would be 'cease and desisted' before your download finished).
It IS a bad thing to support companies that release BROKEN products, especially when they encourage pre-purchasing like the games industry. Releasing things that WORK is the default, but I guess gamers are just so used to getting shafted that they don't realize this anymore, as well as being inured to false advertising.
It is everybody's responsibility to make their concerns and complaints known, and heard, because you can't rely on a company that has already got your money (and much more lucrative projects to work on) to do anything out of the goodness of their hearts, and if you think otherwise then your knowledge of how business works should be considered somewhat lacking.
Again, this game should not have been released in this unfinished state. To release it as it is and claim it as a fully featured product AS ADVERTISED is appalling.
There is no such thing as 'destructive' criticism. There is unfounded criticism, abusive criticism, bad criticism, etc. The only people who use the term 'destructive' criticism are people who can't TAKE criticism. Like Bioware.
It continues to sadden me the abuse people are forced to endure for the crime of standing up for their consumer rights.
I think you're just trolling now. Either way, the game works fine for me and a lot of other people. The bug forum obviously shows there are some issues for the other portion who tried to play. The whole paragraph about how "your complaints should be made known" is kind of bizarre. Especially because I did say you should be posting bug reports. You can do this in a civil manner or you can do this in a juvenile manner.
And there is such a thing as destructive criticism. I don't know what to tell you. It's not an opinion, it's just a fact.
Most people who had to deal with crashes and bugs are "standing up for their consumer rights". They post up their bug reports and express a bit of disappointment here and there. Then there's people like you who try to form a crusade against the company, trying to convince everyone they're the anti-christ.
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As for the whiners and complainers, have you ever held a serious job where people counted on you for things, and made a mistake or missed something? It happens, but as long as you are open and honest with who your product is going to (like overhaul has been with us), striving to correct the problem is what you can (and should) set out to do as swiftly as possible.
Cheers to all, and happy adventuring!
Really tired of everyone excusing game companies releasing products that are not fit for purpose and do not function as advertised.
People who complain are being conscientious consumers. People who support companies that that make claims they can't back up are both irresponsible and doing their fellow gamers a disservice.
I wish I hadn't pre-ordered this game, I should have waited until it was properly patched (if ever) and on sale, because it was not worth my $20.
Here's a company that decided to re-release an ancient great game and make it functional for modern computers. They added in a bunch of new stuff to give you a fresher experience. The new cutscenes are subjective. I can understand everyone clinging to the old ones.
It's a small team rehauling a classic. Too many gamers these days complain about every little thing, too much entitlement really. The launch was far from perfect but spending $20 to support this team of developers so they could release BG:EE was more than worth it. Not only that, the developers continue to support the game with patches and improvements wherever they can.
But please tell me more about how it's a bad thing for customers to support a company enough to fix things. Let's bash them into the ground instead, right? I'll take being constructive over being destructive any day.
Baldur's Gate and Tales of the Sword Coast still sit in their 6-CD glory in two boxes on my bookshelf. I bought them at release, paying whatever the MSRP was at the time, to be sure. I bought GOG's versions just last night to satisfy my mod cravings while on the go without having to keep remembering to bring that ToB CD everywhere.
But I enjoy BG:EE and will stick to playing it untainted by external mods for now (as sort of a personal challenge/constraint, especially considering I'm playing a monk) and, while again not overwhelmed, I'm not gonna go all bellicose. I do hope Overhaul et al maintain an objective, critical eye towards their work, taking into account the valid criticisms that one can find 'midst the butt-hurt.
Anywhere? Somewhere?
Cant be troubled to make a post on the forums huh? I tell ya there has been very little communication from the devs since launch. I mean I guess they have our money now so no real need to to communicate.
Its all pretty sad actually. This launch has gone amazingly bad, even for a small house.
If they do a BG2 they will likely not get money from me unless they do something to seriously turn this launch around like buy me a case a beer or come over and give my dog a bath or something.
In the standalone launcher, the patch notes are displayed in the news feed. I'm not sure where they should be in the Beamdog client.
I see the new patch is out. Where do I read detailed patch notes of the latest patches (and preferably an archive of old patches as well)?
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Especially for a $20 game. Your hard earned money? Serious? $20? Please get off the entitlement horse for a moment and take a deep breath. Yes, it's frustrating when the game doesn't work right out of the box, but I doubt there has been a PC game ever designed that doesn't have some varying degree of issues for some people out of the box. It's the nature of the beast.
Whining solves nothing. Trying being constructive. If it bothers you that much, don't by the next game, or wait a few months for patching before you buy it.
It IS a bad thing to support companies that release BROKEN products, especially when they encourage pre-purchasing like the games industry. Releasing things that WORK is the default, but I guess gamers are just so used to getting shafted that they don't realize this anymore, as well as being inured to false advertising.
It is everybody's responsibility to make their concerns and complaints known, and heard, because you can't rely on a company that has already got your money (and much more lucrative projects to work on) to do anything out of the goodness of their hearts, and if you think otherwise then your knowledge of how business works should be considered somewhat lacking.
Again, this game should not have been released in this unfinished state. To release it as it is and claim it as a fully featured product AS ADVERTISED is appalling.
There is no such thing as 'destructive' criticism. There is unfounded criticism, abusive criticism, bad criticism, etc. The only people who use the term 'destructive' criticism are people who can't TAKE criticism. Like Bioware.
It continues to sadden me the abuse people are forced to endure for the crime of standing up for their consumer rights.
Also, I'm not going to discourage people from expressing frustrations about the game's release, but please keep the discussion civil. If I see people making personal attacks against other users (either for supporting the game or for not supporting the game), that's going to be a problem.
I know it was said it would be, I'm just sayin'.
Please make a game for us that is glitch-free, bug-free, crash-free Day 1 of release. Ready? Set... go!!!
And there is such a thing as destructive criticism. I don't know what to tell you. It's not an opinion, it's just a fact.
Most people who had to deal with crashes and bugs are "standing up for their consumer rights". They post up their bug reports and express a bit of disappointment here and there. Then there's people like you who try to form a crusade against the company, trying to convince everyone they're the anti-christ.