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Turn Undead Tables

AbelAbel Member Posts: 744
There are two tables.
The first one is ordered by Level.
The second one by Name.
With Heart of Fury enabled, enemy creatures get twelve additional levels so it's harder to turn undead.

L = Creature Level; T = Level needed to Turn; D = to Destroy; H = Heart of Fury

BY LEVEL

NAME                      	L 	T 	D 	TH	DH
Armored Skeleton 1 3 8 15 21
Custhantos 1 3 8 15 21
Gelarith 1 3 8 15 21
Lehland 1 3 8 15 21
Norlinor 1 3 8 15 21
Poison Zombie 1 3 8 15 21
Serrhya 1 3 8 15 21
Shade of Sir Erris 1 3 8 15 21
Shade of Sir Geddian 1 3 8 15 21
Shade of Sir Zierkki 1 3 8 15 21
Shadowed Elf 1 3 8 15 21
Skeleton 1 3 8 15 21
Spectral Cook 1 3 8 15 21
Spectral Courtier 1 3 8 15 21
Spectral Guard 1 3 8 15 21
Tattered Skeleton 1 3 8 15 21
Ghoul 2 4 9 16 22
Skeleton Archer 2 4 9 16 22
Tattered Skeleton 2 4 9 16 22
Temple Guardian 2 4 9 16 22
Valestis 2 4 9 16 22
Zombie 2 4 9 16 22
Lesser Shadow 3 5 10 17 23
Skeleton Archer 3 5 10 17 23
Tattered Skeleton 3 5 10 17 23
Telanis 3 5 10 17 23
Temple Guardian 3 5 10 17 23
Chosen Zombie 4 6 11 18 24
Ghast 4 6 11 18 24
Shadow 4 6 11 18 24
Shadowed Goblin Archer 4 6 11 18 24
Shadowed Goblin Grunt 4 6 11 18 24
Shadowed Orc Archer 4 6 11 18 24
Shadowed Orc Grunt 4 6 11 18 24
Shadowed Worg 4 6 11 18 24
Temple Guardian 4 6 11 18 24
Burning Skeleton 5 7 12 19 25
Cold Wight 5 7 12 19 25
Denaini 5 7 12 19 25
Imbued Wigh 5 7 12 19 25
Shadowed Goblin Marksman 5 7 12 19 25
Shadowed Goblin Trainer 5 7 12 19 25
Shadowed Goblin Warrior 5 7 12 19 25
Shadowed Orc Grunt 5 7 12 19 25
Shadowed Orc Marksman 5 7 12 19 25
Shadowed Orc Shaman 5 7 12 19 25
Skeleton Archer 5 7 12 19 25
Spectral Guard 5 7 12 19 25
Spectral Knight 5 7 12 19 25
Temple Guardian 5 7 12 19 25
Wight 5 7 12 19 25
Cold Wight 6 8 13 20 26
Crypt Thing 6 8 13 20 26
Mummy 6 8 13 20 26
Shadowed Elven Acolyte 6 8 13 20 26
Shadowed Elven Archer 6 8 13 20 26
Shadowed Elven Swordsman 6 8 13 20 26
Skeletal Mage 6 8 13 20 26
Therik 6 8 13 20 26
Bladed Skeleton 7 9 14 21 27
Serrated Skeleton 7 9 14 21 27
Shadowed Elven Cleric 7 9 14 21 27
Shadowed Elven Officer 7 9 14 21 27
Shadowed Elven Priest 7 9 14 21 27
Shadowed Elven Wizard 7 9 14 21 27
Shadowed Ogre 7 9 14 21 27
Shadowed Orc Chieftain 7 9 14 21 27
Shadowed Soul 7 9 14 21 27
Shattered Soul 7 9 14 21 27
Spectral Hero 7 9 14 21 27
Armored Skeleton 8 10 15 22 28
Boneguard Skeleton 8 10 15 22 28
Myrkul's Sending 8 10 15 22 28
Mytos 8 10 15 22 28
Revenant 8 10 15 22 28
Undead Lieutenant 8 10 15 22 28
Barrow Wight 9 11 16 23 29
Kaylessa 9 11 16 23 29
Severed Soul 9 11 16 23 29
Wailing Virgin 9 11 16 23 29
Blast Skeleton 10 12 17 24 30
Cold Bones 10 12 17 24 30
Ghost 10 12 17 24 30
Ghost Shaman 10 12 17 24 30
Larrel 10 12 17 24 30
Larrel's Sending 10 12 17 24 30
Skeleton Warrior 10 12 17 24 30
Spectral Hero 10 12 17 24 30
Wolf Spirit 10 12 17 24 30
Drowned Dead 11 13 18 25 31
Spectral Hero 11 13 18 25 31
Greater Mummy 12 14 19 26 32
Iced Bones 12 14 19 26 32
Lethias 12 14 19 26 32
Slime Zombie 12 14 19 26 32
Spectral Hero 12 14 19 26 32
Zombie Lord 12 14 19 26 32
Black Bear Spirit 13 15 20 27 33
Frozen Bones 14 16 21 28 34
Mebdinga 15 17 22 29 35
Skaldar 15 17 22 29 35
Spectral Guard 15 17 22 29 35
Spectral Hero 16 18 23 30 36
Spectral Hero 17 19 24 31 37
Greater Mummy 19 21 26 33 39
Luremaster 20 22 27 34 40
Polar Bear Spirit 20 22 27 34 40
The Voice of Durdel Anatha 20 22 27 34 40
Kresselack 30 32 37 44 50
Luremaster 30 32 37 44 50

BY NAME

NAME                      	L 	T 	D 	TH	DH
Armored Skeleton 1 3 8 15 21
Armored Skeleton 8 10 15 22 28
Barrow Wight 9 11 16 23 29
Black Bear Spirit 13 15 20 27 33
Bladed Skeleton 7 9 14 21 27
Blast Skeleton 10 12 17 24 30
Boneguard Skeleton 8 10 15 22 28
Burning Skeleton 5 7 12 19 25
Chosen Zombie 4 6 11 18 24
Cold Bones 10 12 17 24 30
Cold Wight 5 7 12 19 25
Cold Wight 6 8 13 20 26
Crypt Thing 6 8 13 20 26
Custhantos 1 3 8 15 21
Denaini 5 7 12 19 25
Drowned Dead 11 13 18 25 31
Frozen Bones 14 16 21 28 34
Gelarith 1 3 8 15 21
Ghast 4 6 11 18 24
Ghost 10 12 17 24 30
Ghost Shaman 10 12 17 24 30
Ghoul 2 4 9 16 22
Greater Mummy 12 14 19 26 32
Greater Mummy 19 21 26 33 39
Iced Bones 12 14 19 26 32
Imbued Wigh 5 7 12 19 25
Kaylessa 9 11 16 23 29
Kresselack 30 32 37 44 50
Larrel 10 12 17 24 30
Larrel's Sending 10 12 17 24 30
Lehland 1 3 8 15 21
Lesser Shadow 3 5 10 17 23
Lethias 12 14 19 26 32
Luremaster 20 22 27 34 40
Luremaster 30 32 37 44 50
Mebdinga 15 17 22 29 35
Mummy 6 8 13 20 26
Myrkul's Sending 8 10 15 22 28
Mytos 8 10 15 22 28
Norlinor 1 3 8 15 21
Poison Zombie 1 3 8 15 21
Polar Bear Spirit 20 22 27 34 40
Revenant 8 10 15 22 28
Serrated Skeleton 7 9 14 21 27
Serrhya 1 3 8 15 21
Severed Soul 9 11 16 23 29
Shade of Sir Erris 1 3 8 15 21
Shade of Sir Geddian 1 3 8 15 21
Shade of Sir Zierkki 1 3 8 15 21
Shadow 4 6 11 18 24
Shadowed Elf 1 3 8 15 21
Shadowed Elven Acolyte 6 8 13 20 26
Shadowed Elven Archer 6 8 13 20 26
Shadowed Elven Cleric 7 9 14 21 27
Shadowed Elven Officer 7 9 14 21 27
Shadowed Elven Priest 7 9 14 21 27
Shadowed Elven Swordsman 6 8 13 20 26
Shadowed Elven Wizard 7 9 14 21 27
Shadowed Goblin Archer 4 6 11 18 24
Shadowed Goblin Grunt 4 6 11 18 24
Shadowed Goblin Marksman 5 7 12 19 25
Shadowed Goblin Trainer 5 7 12 19 25
Shadowed Goblin Warrior 5 7 12 19 25
Shadowed Ogre 7 9 14 21 27
Shadowed Orc Archer 4 6 11 18 24
Shadowed Orc Chieftain 7 9 14 21 27
Shadowed Orc Grunt 4 6 11 18 24
Shadowed Orc Grunt 5 7 12 19 25
Shadowed Orc Marksman 5 7 12 19 25
Shadowed Orc Shaman 5 7 12 19 25
Shadowed Soul 7 9 14 21 27
Shadowed Worg 4 6 11 18 24
Shattered Soul 7 9 14 21 27
Skaldar 15 17 22 29 35
Skeletal Mage 6 8 13 20 26
Skeleton 1 3 8 15 21
Skeleton Archer 2 4 9 16 22
Skeleton Archer 3 5 10 17 23
Skeleton Archer 5 7 12 19 25
Skeleton Warrior 10 12 17 24 30
Slime Zombie 12 14 19 26 32
Spectral Cook 1 3 8 15 21
Spectral Courtier 1 3 8 15 21
Spectral Guard 1 3 8 15 21
Spectral Guard 5 7 12 19 25
Spectral Guard 15 17 22 29 35
Spectral Hero 7 9 14 21 27
Spectral Hero 10 12 17 24 30
Spectral Hero 11 13 18 25 31
Spectral Hero 12 14 19 26 32
Spectral Hero 16 18 23 30 36
Spectral Hero 17 19 24 31 37
Spectral Knight 5 7 12 19 25
Tattered Skeleton 1 3 8 15 21
Tattered Skeleton 2 4 9 16 22
Tattered Skeleton 3 5 10 17 23
Telanis 3 5 10 17 23
Temple Guardian 2 4 9 16 22
Temple Guardian 3 5 10 17 23
Temple Guardian 4 6 11 18 24
Temple Guardian 5 7 12 19 25
The Voice of Durdel Anatha 20 22 27 34 40
Therik 6 8 13 20 26
Undead Lieutenant 8 10 15 22 28
Valestis 2 4 9 16 22
Wailing Virgin 9 11 16 23 29
Wight 5 7 12 19 25
Wolf Spirit 10 12 17 24 30
Zombie 2 4 9 16 22
Zombie Lord 12 14 19 26 32

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Comments

  • DaevelonDaevelon Member Posts: 600
    Thank you very much! I was interested about this since i started to play

    jackjackJuliusBorisovCrevsDaak
  • FirecrowFirecrow Member Posts: 94
    edited April 2018
    @Abel, in IWD:EE if sorcerer with 9 wisdom casts Lesser Wish and asks genie to protect party from undeads, genie summons a pack of vampires. What turn undead levels required for them?

    Post edited by Firecrow on
  • AbelAbel Member Posts: 744
    @Firecrow Sorry, I've no idea! You should be able to check that with Near Infinity though!

  • Rik_KirtaniyaRik_Kirtaniya Member Posts: 1,741
    @Abel, I'm trying to build up the Icewind Dale Wiki. May I add these tables there so that more people can find it and be benefited from this information? I'll be waiting for your approval. :)

    By the way, can someone tell me if any game resource file exists for these tables? I tried to look up the .2DA files in NearInfinity, but could not find anything like this.

    mashedtatersAbelFirecrow
  • AbelAbel Member Posts: 744
    edited May 2018
    Hey @Rik_Kirtaniya! Sure, you can! I'm glad if anything I posted can be useful. Thanks for asking and for contributing to the IWD wiki!

    I don't think there's any file that controls how Turn Undead works (likely hardcoded). There wouldn't be any need for 2da tables just listing the levels though. Those can be found directly on the creatures files.

    I've not dabbled with the game for a while now but if memory serves (4 years, damn!), I just did a check for all Undead creatures and extracted their level. I obtained the other parameters by applying the game rules. I also did some testing to make sure the game worked accordingly.

    Rik_KirtaniyaStummvonBordwehr
  • Rik_KirtaniyaRik_Kirtaniya Member Posts: 1,741
    Thanks a lot, @Abel! :smiley: I'll link the wiki page here when I make it.

    Abel
  • tbone1tbone1 Member Posts: 1,996
    Fardragon said:

    I hate those undead tables. The way they scuttle around on those woodworm riddled legs and watch me without having any eyes.

    Even worse are the Ikea undead, because you have to put them together and THEN they attack you.

    Firecrow
  • JoenSoJoenSo Member Posts: 909
    I'll admit that I tried to come up with some pun about turning the tables on those pesky undead

    Firecrow
  • Rik_KirtaniyaRik_Kirtaniya Member Posts: 1,741
    Added these tables to the IWD Wiki. They will be one of the greatest treasures of the Wiki! :smiley:

    StummvonBordwehrMathsorcererAbel
  • ThufirHawatThufirHawat Member Posts: 2
    edited December 2020
    Sorry for the necro, but are these tables still accurate, or have they been "patched" (AKA changed for no reason)?

    Just asking because I'm in Trials of the Luremaster right now and my Level 17 Lawful Good Cleric does absolutely nothing to Revenants and Skeleton Warriors - which should be destroyed at levels 15 and 17. They are not even turned, much less destroyed.

    Game Version is icewind_dale_enhanced_edition_2.5.17.0_(23121) from GOG.

    Edit: Blast Skeletons(17) and Boneguard Skeletons(15) are properly destroyed btw. in the same area. So it's not a generic issue with turning undead.

    Post edited by ThufirHawat on
  • kjeronkjeron Member Posts: 2,287
    edited December 2020
    Skeleton Warriors and some Revenants have Immunity to Turn Undead - for whatever reason.
    Nothing to do with the Turn Undead table.

    StummvonBordwehr
  • ThufirHawatThufirHawat Member Posts: 2
    I would say if an undead monster has immunity to Turn Undead - it has very much to do with the Turn Undead Table that states it can be turned and destoyed ;)

  • ReklawenalpReklawenalp Member Posts: 5
    edited January 26
    Hi, I will like to clarify a point you've made.

    Undead are actually not harder to turn in insane or HOF mode, just harder to kill if you're purely reducing their HP.

    The reason being, HOF (and insane) mode adds HP to the original HP of monsters, not increase their Hit Dice.

    The difference of these two is as follows (examples)

    Increase HP ---> adds another 100+ HP to the original HP of the goblin.

    Increase Hit Dice ---> instead of rolling 3x6 for HP, the goblin now rolls 20x6 for his HP.

    So since turn undead are based on the undead's hit dice, not total HP, one can destroy undead in normal mode as easily as in HOF mode. Which is why an invisible high level cleric turning undead is so powerful in HOF mode. That 500+ HP greater mummy can be easily destroyed since its Hit Dice are still the same as normal mode.

    A very simple example of how HOF mode affects enemies HP is this. When you fight those goblins in easthaven, you will realised their HP is like 200+ in HOF mode. Yet, sleep spell still works on them. If HOF modes did increase their Hit Dice, then sleep should not be able to affect them at all. So it's evidence that HOF modes ADDS HP, and not increase Hit Dice.

    That is why, spells and abilities that rolls against HD works so well in HOF modes. Enemies HD never change, yet you're super high level by now.

  • ReklawenalpReklawenalp Member Posts: 5
    As for why Skeleton warrior cannot be turned, read this link. (Combat section)

    https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Skeleton_warrior

  • kjeronkjeron Member Posts: 2,287
    @Reklawenalp
    No, HoF/LoB gives creatures +12 to every level, in addition to a 3x + 80 HP modifier.

    Neither Sleep, Cloudkill (instead death part), and the Death spell work against the Goblin's in Kuldahar Pass in HoF.
    As for why Skeleton warrior cannot be turned, read this link. (Combat section)
    https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Skeleton_warrior
    Unfortunately the rest of their lore doesn't fit - it makes them look like they were chosen simply for their immunity to turn undead.
    It also doesn't help that, right or wrong, "Skeleton Warrior" is a generic undead in the BG games, with no turn undead immunities, which can be summoned as needed with Animate Dead.

    Grond0
  • PumpernickelPumpernickel Member Posts: 52
    I haven't done testing on other monsters yet, but I can say that the numbers for Drowned Dead at least are incorrect. I've a level 12 cleric at the moment and she has been turning Drowned Dead despite the chart stating that level 13 is required to do so.

    By the way: does the level of one's cleric make any difference beyond simply being able to turn or destroy undead? For example: would a level 13 cleric have any easier time turning Wailing Virgins than a level 12 cleric?

  • jmerryjmerry Member Posts: 1,805
    Yes, higher levels matter. In any given round, think of it this way: Turn Undead rolls your level plus a random component. If that exceeds the creature's level, the creature is turned. If that exceeds the creature's level plus 5, the creature is destroyed/controlled.

    Exceeding monster levels by more gives you a higher chance of turning/destroying them in any given "pulse" of Turn Undead.

    ineth
  • PumpernickelPumpernickel Member Posts: 52
    jmerry wrote: »
    Yes, higher levels matter. In any given round, think of it this way: Turn Undead rolls your level plus a random component. If that exceeds the creature's level, the creature is turned. If that exceeds the creature's level plus 5, the creature is destroyed/controlled.

    Exceeding monster levels by more gives you a higher chance of turning/destroying them in any given "pulse" of Turn Undead.

    Very helpful, thank you. A roll of your level plus a random component. Do you know the specifics of the random component?

  • jmerryjmerry Member Posts: 1,805
    No, I don't. I don't know the code, and I don't have IWD specifically either. All I have are observations from the BG series.
    For example, here's the results of 50 rounds of turning in BGEE:
    Level 1 cleric versus level 1 skeleton: turned 15/50 times.
    Level 2 cleric versus level 1 skeleton: turned 16/50 times.
    Level 3 cleric versus level 1 skeleton: turned 39/50 times.
    Level 4 cleric versus level 1 skeleton: turned 50/50 times.

    Not enough to conclude anything definitively ... except that it only takes a few levels past the minimum to reach certain success.

    Grond0ineth
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