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Is resting cheesy in RP perspectives?

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  • IntoTheDarknessIntoTheDarkness Member Posts: 118
    MalacPok said:

    In a world where dragons may lurk behind every corner, being prepared and fully rested is the ONLY reasonable thing to do, besides staying home and forgetting about that risky adventuring. Especially from a RP perspective.

    The problem we are discussing is due to the fact that there is no repercussions to resting anytime anywhere in the game where as in real life it will bring all sorts of troubles. You may very well be ambushed by a dragon and your night watch guy gets hit by a surprise critical attack and die, while rest your party members are asleep and unprepared to fight, which means you were better off fighting a dragon without resting even if some of your spells are missing.

    Knowing that resting doesn't bring any disadvantageous it would have in real life, abusing rests is not reasonable thing to do in RP perspective. If there is a 'sit and chill' button in the game that restores your HP to full and gives you a insane buffs, will you use it just because you can sit and chill in real life? Nope. Likewise, 'rest' button in the game doesn't fully represent consequences and effects of rest in real life or realistic fantasy life, making it rather a OP button that enables you to never, ever run out spells while adventuring. That would have been not feasible had it been a novel or any other medium.

  • subtledoctorsubtledoctor Member Posts: 11,460
    edited April 2015
    MalacPok said:

    In a world where dragons may lurk behind every corner, being prepared and fully rested is the ONLY reasonable thing to do, besides staying home and forgetting about that risky adventuring. Especially from a RP perspective.

    Yes but for that very reason, resting around the corner from that dragon is completely UNreasonable.

    If I was DMing and players spotted a dragon and told me "we rest right outside the doorway to recover our spells and prepare for the battle" I would tell them "the dragon eats you while you rest, you're all dead, no saving throw" then drop the mic and walk away from the game. (Yes I would make sure to have a mic on hand for this eventuality.)

    Maybe a mod could help here. (Mods are, after all, how we change the way the game's "DM" acts.) Would it be possible to change the chance of being interrupted while resting in dangerous dungeons? Like, to 99%. That would be a nice for players who want more of a hardcore experience.

  • reedmilfamreedmilfam Member Posts: 2,808
    I think we're creating an issue that is beyond the capability of the game to replicate. Of course, you'd set up camp as safely as possible, with rotating watches, etc.

    DJKajuru
  • GrumGrum Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 2,099
    One solution? Allow sleep only in certain areas.

    Ex: In Firkraag's dungeon, there is an easily defendable area that the werewolves staked out. Allow resting there.

    In the Umar Hills dungeon, there is the area with the light that banishes shadows. Only allow resting there.

    In the Planar Sphere, the trapped knights can watch over you.

    Pretty much any dungeon there should be areas where it makes sense to rest. Places that are easily defendable by a single person on watch.

    semiticgodJuliusBorisovdunbar
  • lroumenlroumen Member Posts: 1,918
    I rest every day (24 hour click) and I sleep she there are beds in the game. Even dungeons have beds. I roleplay that I have a look out

    Grum
  • subtledoctorsubtledoctor Member Posts: 11,460
    lroumen said:

    Even dungeons have beds. I roleplay that I have a look out

    I think we're creating an issue that is beyond the capability of the game to replicate. Of course, you'd set up camp as safely as possible, with rotating watches, etc.


    I disagree. The game has a mechanic to interrupt resting in dangerous places. I think that assumes you *do* have a lookout. If your whole party was fast asleep and some monsters or thug find you, they could slit your throat and you'd never wake up. But if you have a lookout, he/she will see the monsters and rouse everyone from sleep to defend themselves, maybe after only a few hours of sleep.

    Which is exactly what happens in the game when your rest is interrupted.

    So I don't have a problem with how the game handles the situation; I just think that kind of interruption should happen much more often. Which is to say, I think a live DM would make that interruption happen more often, and it would be nice to mod the game to reflect that kind of DM. I wonder if there's a .2da file or something that controls it...

    Grummlnevesedunbar
  • GrumGrum Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 2,099
    Well one thing that would be nice is if dungeons came with built in reactions to your attack. Right now, enemies wait where they are.

    Take for example Firkraag's Dungeon.

    You come in, find some scared orcs whom you slaughter. Come in, and there is an ambush of orcs. You then walk through the dungeon, with werewolves, vampires and whatnot waiting for you.

    What I'd like to see is for the AI to have patrols. If the patrol sees you, it runs away to the nearest group of enemies. That group will either move to intercept your party, or will fall back to a more defensive location.

    The AI patrols have 'x' number of routes that they randomly take at certain times. If you are resting and a patrol finds you, then it will retreat and bring back enemies to attack you.

    The effect? It behooves you to find 'safe' places to rest. If you are resting in a room with a doorway that is a natural bottleneck, then it becomes easy upon waking up to block them and react to their attack. If you are foolish enough to rest in the open, then you are in for a clusterf*ck. Especially as some encounters would become quite hard. Such as a group of vampire rushing in on you.

    Plus, with this system, dungeons wouldn't be stale. Push forward with all speed? Make sure you kill any patrol you find? You can overwhelm the dungeon before they can react. Don't pay attention? Be too slow in stopping patrols? Carelessly rest in unsafe areas? The dungeon is going to react to you.

    mlneveselunarJuliusBorisovsemiticgod
  • lroumenlroumen Member Posts: 1,918
    edited April 2015

    lroumen said:

    Even dungeons have beds. I roleplay that I have a look out

    I think we're creating an issue that is beyond the capability of the game to replicate. Of course, you'd set up camp as safely as possible, with rotating watches, etc.


    I disagree. The game has a mechanic to interrupt resting in dangerous places. I think that assumes you *do* have a lookout. If your whole party was fast asleep and some monsters or thug find you, they could slit your throat and you'd never wake up. But if you have a lookout, he/she will see the monsters and rouse everyone from sleep to defend themselves, maybe after only a few hours of sleep.

    Which is exactly what happens in the game
    technically you are not disagreeing with me ;).
    I'm fine with monsters and foes attacking me in my sleep. I actually love that part. If the rest success that's good, if not then I continue playing without having rested.

  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 19,708
    To rest, or not to rest- that is the question:

    Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer

    The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune

    Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,

    And by opposing end them. To die- to sleep-

    No more; and by a sleep to say we end

    The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks

    That flesh is heir to
    . 'Tis a consummation

    Devoutly to be wish'd. To die- to sleep.

    To sleep- perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub!

    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come

    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,

    Must give us pause. There's the respect

    That makes calamity of so long life.


    So, rest in order to give your characters a pause. Rest to stop the heartache. Rest in order to live, and not to die.

    dunbarTuth
  • karnor00karnor00 Member Posts: 679
    I generally try and restrict my resting based on whether it would be realistic to rest in the given situation.

    For example Watchers Keep has stood for a long time. And even though the spells protecting it are slowly unravelling, there's no suggestion that they are going to fall apart in the immediate future. Therefore I have no problems resting while working my way through this dungeon.

    In the underdark however, there is a mindflayer capture at one point. And there is an escape attempt and desperate attempt to flee before the mindflayers can recapture you. Settling down for an 8 hour nap while this is going on is wildly unrealistic so I wouldn't allow myself to rest here.

    Obviously when I allow myself to rest is therefore a fairly subjective test.

  • dunbardunbar Member Posts: 1,472
    Alas poor bengoshi! I knew him; a fellow of infinite jest.

    JuliusBorisovTuth
  • MalacPokMalacPok Member Posts: 86


    Yes but for that very reason, resting around the corner from that dragon is completely UNreasonable.

    That's true, but in that case you have only two options:
    A. traveling back to the town after every encounter to spend a night in the Inn of Safety.
    B. risk going forwards, knowing that your lack of preparedness may very easily result in death.

    Neither of these choices is really rational. The main point is that the very notion of needing a 8-hour-rest after each battle is contingent on the very unrealistic feature of having to re-memorize spells. If the base condition is cheesy, than any solution will also turn out to be cheesy.

    The game tries to make resting in dangerous places less suitable by introducing random attacks, but those only serve as annoyances. Is it realistic that you get attacked by a group of giant spiders while standing around in a dark cave? It is. Does it make the game more fun? Nope. Every time you have to reload or need to engage in a boring, unwanted fight the general fun-factor drops by 1 point.

    semiticgod
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