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I met this girl wearing elven chain today...

TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
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Ok. I have heard rumors of elven chain being in this game... I think I found it. Only problem is the girl wearing it doesn't drop it when killed.
She is the one bandit that you meet on your way to Nashkel mines. The one where Dorn decides to join you.
I'm sure other observant players have noticed her in green chain... I did too but it took until now to hit me that that is what that is. My question is an obvious one: Why it not drop? It surely isn't that op for BG1 is it? No. It can't be! It is only AC5. There are better things in this game for thieves to wear and mages can get the archmage robes which are also AC5 and do more too. The only real reason I see for it not dropping is that it is not really needed. I still think it would be nice to have it drop though.
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  • MillardkillmooreMillardkillmoore Member Posts: 150
    It's supposed to drop. It doesn't due to a bug.
  • AristilliusAristillius Member Posts: 873
    Yea. It simply havent been marked as droppable, seems to be an oversight.
  • MadhaxMadhax Member Posts: 1,416
    I'm gonna CLUA it in for my bard =D
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
    @Millardkillmoore @Aristillius I figured it was a bug. I did not notice a bug report on Shandyr's list though. I guess this is known then...
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    AlexDeLarge said:

    Am i the only one disappointed he didn't actually find a real life girl wearing elven chain after reading title?

    No you aren't the only one. :)
  • ZanathKariashiZanathKariashi Member Posts: 2,869
    Actually it IS marked as droppable, at least according to NI, not sure why it isn't dropping. I can't find any other flags concerning dropping gear in her character file.
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
    edited December 2012
    AlexDeLarge said:

    Am i the only one disappointed he didn't actually find a real life girl wearing elven chain after reading title?

    I'm disappointed about that too! That would be great! Especially if she were an elf.
    Post edited by Tresset on
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    edited December 2012
    Elven chain is lighter chain made by and for elves, with subtle, nature-based patterns woven into it, like trees and leaves, clouds and so on.
    Post edited by LadyRhian on
  • AHFAHF Member Posts: 1,376
    LadyRhian said:

    Elven chain is lighter chain made by and for elves, with subtle, nature-based patterns woven into it, like threes and leaves, clouds and so on.

    Soooooooo.....basically a bikini, right?





    /jk
  • AllbrotherAllbrother Member Posts: 262
    Code is chan12 if I recall correctly
    Enjoy
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  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    CLUAConsole:CreateItem("CHAN12")

    Oh, and the bug is very easily fixable. I fixed it myself, so it should be absolutely no problem for Beamdog.

    In the CRE folder, DOROTEA.CRE has the Elven Chain Mail equipped; but I believe in the process of adding the Flag Not stealable (1), they accidentally also enabled Non droppable (3). Using NearInfinity, it was a simple matter of disabling the second flag and saving the edited file in the Override folder. Voila, it drops.
  • ErgErg Member Posts: 1,756
    edited December 2012
    @Quartz: which version of NearInfinity are you using?

    With version 1.33 w1.1.0 (the most up to date I was able to find) I'm unable to fix this. The following flags are shown for the Elven Chain Mail on the unmodified CHAN12.ITM:

    Droppable(2) Displayble(3) Not Copyable(5) Magical(6)

    However it still doesn't drop in game. Is the version of NearInfinty that I'm using bugged?

    Edit: Please disregard my questions. The flag need to be changed on DOROTEA.CRE and not CHAN12.ITM. Now it works!
    Post edited by Erg on
  • DeucetipherDeucetipher Member Posts: 521
    edited December 2012
    @erg

    I think you're looking in the wrong place. Open Dorotea, click on the edit tab. Scroll down to the line Item 0. Double click on it. That will open another window. Click on the flags line. That will bring up many boxes at the bottom of your current window. Uncheck undroppable.

    That is where you have to change the item flags, as those are the marks for Dorotea's specific piece. I believe you are looking at the base Chan12 item.

    EDIT: jaja, you fixed it while I was writing! I'll leave this here in case anyone needs more specific instructions
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    I CLUA-ed it in, after the encounter where it's meant to drop, it's essential for Bards (who can't wear robes) and evil fighter/mages (or even thief/mages and cleric/mages), as you can't get the robes of evil archimagi until quite late in the game. I don't think it's OP, it's only like normal chain in terms of protection and worse than the robes of archmagic, as chain has a +2 penalty to crushing damage (albeit which can be allevaited by the Destroyer of the Hills belt) and doesn't get the -1 to saves nor 5% magic resistance of the robe). Before this I had to use the Shield Amulet (which is relatively cheap, however, and can be recharged).
  • ArturArtur Member Posts: 35
    edited January 2013
    Since nobody else bothered to do it: I uploaded the modified DOROTEA.CRE file here http://www.mediafire.com/?5trztj38ruuude3
    Simply drop it into your "Baldurs Gate Enhanced Edition/Data/00766/override" folder.
    Tested and confirmed working with version v1.0.2011
  • valkyvalky Member Posts: 386
    The only minor issue I could imagine is to have multiple elven chainmail that way :P
    I got that encounter 3times, cause I was *erm* farming wolf pelts and did travel quite a bit between Nashkel + Mines. Yet it'd not bother me if the global trigger is not set properly ^^ and I dunno if it was fixed with the last patch.
  • agrisagris Member Posts: 581
    edited January 2013
    Why is everyone so sure this is a bug? Elven chain being available so early in the game seems fairly unbalanced, especially considering the ease of the fight. I understand that a lot of people aren't concerned about difficulty, but from a balance point of view it feels right to NOT essentially hand this to the player so early.

    Then again, the +2 longsword is easily gotten in the same area, so maybe I'm giving balance too much weight.
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    agris said:

    Why is everyone so sure this is a bug? Elven chain being available so early in the game seems fairly unbalanced, especially considering the ease of the fight. I understand that a lot of people aren't concerned about difficulty, but from a balance point of view it feels right to NOT essentially hand this to the player so early.

    Then again, the +2 longsword is easily gotten in the same area, so maybe I'm giving balance too much weight.

    You find the most powerful ring in the game just sitting under a tree on the 3rd map. Having this item drop in an easy, yet unavoidable battle is ok imo.
  • valkyvalky Member Posts: 386
    If you farm "some" wolf pelts (which can be done right away with lvl 1/2) you can get the good/neutral archmage armor very early on as well and similar decent gear. Only some classes are restricted to wear nothing while casting, cause they just can't like the bard :)

    And an armor with only 5 AC that lets you casting - only while available very early if fixed - isn't really unbalanced.
  • GoForTheEyesBooGoForTheEyesBoo Member Posts: 97
    Couldnt a bard just wear the shadow leather armour sold in Beregost?
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    GoForTheEyesBoo said:

    Couldnt a bard just wear the shadow leather armour sold in Beregost?

    Sure (except I think that one is limited to thieves only), unless he wants to cast spells.

  • valkyvalky Member Posts: 386
    wear yes, casting no; the elven chain is the very only armor a bard can actually use without any restriction to the spellcasting stuff. (and bracers...)
    And with the new kits, the bard is quite an attractive class IMO, open for importing it even to BG2 games.
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
    @agris Evlen chain is anything but OP. Its basically ORDINARY chain mail with perks for bards. That is really it. Mages have better armor in the robes of the archmage, and thieves like the shadow armor more because it actually gives a bonus to their thief skills rather than a penalty for the same AC. I have found this item to be under powered and even USELESS in the long run unless there is a bard with you. If the elven chain is unbalanced for this game then lets just go ahead and take away 75-95% of the magical items found in the game for they are all far better than it.
  • moopymoopy Member Posts: 938
    99% positive the shadow leather armor is thieves only.
  • CoM_SolaufeinCoM_Solaufein Member Posts: 2,606
    Shadow armor is studded leather armor created for use by the Shadowmasters of Amn. The Shadowmasters are of the highest order within the Shadow Thief hierarchy. It is +3 studded leather armor that melds into shadows.

    STATISTICS:

    Armor Class: 4
    Special: +15% Hide in Shadows
    Weight: 8
    Only Usable By:
    Thief (single, multi and dual class)
  • ErgErg Member Posts: 1,756
    edited January 2013
    I also believe that the Elven Chain is not overpowered.

    It actually makes the game more balanced because it just gives to a single bard what is already available in better form to wizards and thieves.

    I prefer the Robe of the Archmagi for my multi/dual magi, because the Elven Chain, despite having a +2 bonus against slashing weapons, it also has a +2 malus against crushing weapons (i.e. it has AC 3 against slashing, but only AC 7 against crushing weapons).

    I fixed the drop in my game just to learn how to do it with NearInfinity, but then I put it in a container somewhere and forgot about it as there aren't bards in my party.
  • agrisagris Member Posts: 581
    @Tresset @Erg If you read what I wrote, I didn't say that elven chain is overpowered. I said that acquiring it so effortlessly at the start of the game feels unbalanced to me. The items you're comparing to, the robe of the archmagi and shadow armor, are not easily gotten.

    Yes, the wing of wizardry and ankheg mail are also easily obtained, and I think most would agree that they shouldn't be. Those items were put into the game world before the advent of the HIGHLIGHT ALL (tab) key, and thus were "balanced" by the fact that most users wouldn't find them. I'm not saying remove the elven chain from dropping, I'm saying balance the acquisition of elven chain (a reward) with some risk. I think the Ulcaster school would be a good location. I know a lot of users aren't concerned with balance but I'm clearly not in that camp.
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