Baldur gate praises and honor Satan Bhaal ?
Hello i´m newbie in Baldur gate games my first was Dark Alliance GBA then i googled to know if they have more baldur games, then on Wikipedia there says Baldur gate the main characters are sons of God Bhaal (Demon) of Murder is that true ?
Bhaal is also Baal in my language.
Bhaal is also Baal in my language.
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... Just jokin'
Bhaal is indeed the God of Murder, and your character is his son/daughter, but you are not compelled to play evil. I don't know how the story ends yet cos I haven't finished the game yet, but it's safe to say the game seems to push you to do the 'right' thing most of the time.
ps: oh yeah, welcome to the community
Stargate SG 1 anyone?
Fiction that we turn to, when we are old and weary from the thing they call Real Life, where corruption and evil reign openly...
Remember, be cool to one another.
However, there is a link to the christian concept of the devil in the name beelzebub (Lord of the Flies), which while apparently starting off as a local deity in Ekron ended up being understood as one of the princes of hell in Catholic view of hell. I don't know anything about this last part, but that's as much as Wikipedia says.
Anyway, Forgotten Realms Lore playes around with a lot of old religious names and concepts so no matter what the origins are one could safely say that "Bhaal, The lord of Murder" is not linked to the Christian concept of the devil.
TLDR; No.
Hail Satan.
the game does not praise/honor anyone
Bhaal is a fictional character(member of a dark pantheon) whos name was inspired from mythology
lastly did i spot the word 'satan' in your title? that sounds more like trolling to me.
Those were the days...
It's a VIDEO GAME, people.
Please do not feed!!!
/moderator mode on
About religion discussion, try to avoid it in the topic. As I said in my previous post mixing real life and fantasy religions is a quick path to a flame war and so is criticizing them.
/moderator mode off
As far as the religion thing, I am not sure what value the thread has without discussing religion. I am not sure what the OP was attempting to get at (possibly language barriers??) but I was immediately reminded of the 80s mind set wherein being associated with the game meant that we were all devil worshipers and cultists (the Tom Hanks movie pretty much set that stage aflame). I'd hate the thread to be hijacked by someone of that mind set regardless of the OP's intent.
I don't know what the OP's original intent was, nor am I pointing fingers at anyone. But, if the moderators would prefer us not to get into philosophical discussions, and there is even the possibility that the other unpleasantness might rear it's ugly head, might it be reasonable to let this thread end?
There's always people who do accuse DnD, or just fantasy in general, of teaching kids devil worship and witchcraft, but they're easy to dismiss. I hereby do so.
Was there really a need to add satan to the title.
It's hard for me to take the Satan=Baal thing seriously when you know what the words mean, and in what context they are used.
First of all, I sympathize. I grew up as a Southern Baptist Christian in the U.S., during the 1980's and I am intimately familiar with the "anything and everything with 'magic' in it is from the Devil" line of thought.
There are still people within the last decade who seek to ban, for example, the Harry Potter novels, based on the same reasoning that had people doing it with D&D during the 1970's and especially, the 1980's.
When I was a teenager during the 1980's, escaping into books, TV shows, movies, video games, and, finally, D&D, was a lifeline to me. My life had been so emotionally painful, and so emotionally abusive, that I felt like I had come home when I met a group of peers who played D&D. We spent so many, to me, joyful hours studying our rulebooks and guides, and then sitting around the big table in one of my friends' parents' basement, acting out our deepest dreams and fantasies of being powerful heroes, (or villains, for some of my 'friends'). I was so happy, when we were all there together, around that big wooden table, in that basement.
The social relationships we forged around the D&D table began to carry over into our real lives as high school students. We trusted each other. We felt comfortable and safe with each other. We played in band together. We helped each other study for tests. We sat on the buses for trips together.
We also went to church together. And sang in the youth choir together. We were all devout, Southern Baptist Christians.
Now, at this same time, certain elements in Christian culture began to focus on D&D as one of those "corrupting the youth", "from the Devil", elements of pop culture.
I don't remember our pastor at First Baptist Church, Cleveland, TN, ever preaching against it. But, there was a local radio host who regularly dramatized how "Satanic" playing D&D was, every afternoon after school. We kids became aware of that strain of thought, and I was a peer leader in posing deep philosophical and religious questions about what we were doing, and whether it was really something that Christian young people ought to be doing, while remaining almost obsessed with D&D, and the player leader around the old wooden table, in relation to our DM and his brother.
I was made to feel conflicted about our love and enjoyment of D&D, and so were my friends.
Once, we invited our youth pastor to our basement table to watch us play for awhile, to explain the rules and the concept of the game to him somewhat, and to ask him his opinion of what we were doing.
I will never forget his response. He did not accuse us or try to scare us of "consorting with Satan". He merely furrowed his brow in sincere puzzlement, and asked, "Well, boys, is this a part of your lives? I mean, are you just playing a game, or is it something you live for?"
He did not understand. But, we "boys" understood *him*. If we were honest, that D&D was very much "a part of our lives," and something we "lived for", he would tell us that he didn't think it was a good thing. So, we all just kind of shrugged, sighed, widened our eyes innocently at his question, and stared at him blankly as a group. He smiled, shrugged back at us, gave us some general blessing and wishes for our well-being and Christian growth, and left.
The DM's mother was present, as well. She told the youth pastor, "I like that they do this. It keeps them home all the time, where I know that they're safe." My parents also approved my going over to their house as kind of a "second home", probably for the same reason. We all went to the same church. My stepmother was especially concerned about how "into" D&D I was, but she never pushed the issue.
Years later, I once got into a conversation with the mother of two of my best violin students, about their fascination and near-obsession with the Harry Potter books and movies. She said, wisely, "I think they know the difference between fantasy and reality. Fantasy is a good thing, as long as you don't confuse it with reality. So, I approve of their love of Harry Potter, because it gets them to read, and it exercises their imaginations."
So, here is my bottom line answer to the question as I perceive it, which may also have been a cry for help. I know that it would have been for me, if I had had access to today's technology, and today's games, while I was still a dependent young person.
There is absolutely nothing satanic, or in any way in service to the Devil, however you might perceive that name and that idea of Absolute Evil, in any book, TV show, movie, or game. These things are tools for human imagination. We all love good stories. The Bible is full of them. Stories are powerful, good things.
There is no such thing as magic. There probably aren't any such things as invisible spirit entities lurking about, trying to either help you or corrupt and hurt you, either, but, if your sincere, heartfelt religion says that there are, then, only those are real, and nothing in these books, games, etc., are real at all.
Why would God create and gift us, his beloved creatures, with unbounded capacity to imagine, and fantasize, and then forbid us to use it? It's only my, one man's, opinion, but, any God that I can believe in and love, would only encourage us to explore and enjoy the gifts that He has given.
In closing, I'm not sure why, but this is what God is telling me to say for the final line of this lengthy answer:
"Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus."
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP