It's not my thing, but I'm pretty sure no one in that world should be allowed to make a decision above brushing their teeth. >.>
Heretics must be purged by fire!
In fealty to the God-Emperor and by the grace of the Golden Throne, I declare Exterminatus.
Now, you might say that's not relevant but since I've had several dreams cleaning that place up at the head of a legion of Astartes I think it is very relevant
For someone who read the books Which book covers this season?
When will G.R.R.M. release next book?
In early January 2016 Martin confirmed on his LiveJournal that he had not met an end-of-year deadline that he had established with his publisher for release of the book before the sixth season of the HBO show.
He added that there was "a lot still left to write" and that completion of the book was "months away still...if the writing goes well". Martin also revealed there had been a previous deadline of October 2015 that he had considered achievable in May 2015, and that in September 2015 he had still considered the end-of-year deadline achievable.
He further confirmed that some of the plot of the book might be revealed in the upcoming season of Game of Thrones but one of the showrunners, David Benioff, claimed that while certain key elements would be the same, the show would much diverge from the book in many respects.
In February 2016, Martin stated that he dropped all his editing projects except for Wild Cards, and that he would not be writing any teleplays, screenplays, short stories, introductions or forewords before delivering The Winds of Winter.
From what he writes in that post, it seems plausible that Winds of Winter will be published by the end of 2016. In any case, already in the premiere last Sunday they showed some pretty big stuff that was not covered in the books. It was a pretty good episode.
The show is a different beast than the books for sure.
In episode 1 of the sixth season a couple of major threads in Dorn from the books were just ended to presumably streamline their role in any future events.
For example, Areo Hotah (the captain of the guard) who had a POV chapter in A Feast For Crows and Prince Doran Martell were just ended out of the blue in the first episode. Both guys are still alive and lingering around in the books presumably they will do something someday. At the time A Feast For Crows was written I was wondering why they were introducing all these characters from this place and the show just put an unceremonious end to them leaving only the Sand Snakes.
Also Stannis is still alive in the books and he is gearing up to fight with the Boltons. It sounds like from the preview Chapters from Winds of Winter that Martin has read aloud to audiences that Stannis has a good plan in place at least and hopefully his death isn't imminent but maybe it is.
In Arya's POV chapter, she reflects that Hot Pie doesn't do anything well except bake and sing.
I say, however, that fans have made far too much of Hot Pie's baking prowess. First of all, as a street urchin in King's Landing, we know that his mother made the pies and he sold them in the streets, yelling "Hot Pie! Hot Pie!" wherever he went. More pieman than baker, really. He might have watched his mother make pies and helped her from time to time, but I don't think he had enough experience or time with his mother to truly learn the secrets of pie baking.
Second of all I think our appreciation of Hot Pie is somewhat exaggerated by the fact that there are very few competent bakers appearing as characters in ASOIAF. If there were POV chapters about the master cooks of Illyrio's manse in Pentos, or about the artists in the Red Keep's kitchens who made pie full of doves, do you think Hot Pie's wares would even be a blip on our radar? No, ser. While we're on the subject, you may note that one of Joffrey's last utterances was that the pigeon pie he ate was rather "dry," but do not be fooled by this. He was at that point suffering from the effets of the "Strangler" potion, and every other indication we have is that the pies of the Red Keep's kitchen were delectably moist.
Back to the subject at hand, we also see Hot Pie making tarts and cakes in the kitchens of Harrenhal but he is essentially a baker's helper, one of many servants who work in the kitchens. It is the master baker's recipes that he uses, not his own. It's not as if he is running the kitchens himself. Also, note how Amory Lorch or Roose Bolton don't make any comment about the quality and deliciousness of the bread coming out of the kitchens; this shows us that Hot Pie's work, even under the instruction of a master cook, was middling at best.
Finally, Hot Pie informs the innkeeper at the Kneeling Man inn that his breads are tough and unpalatable and that he knows how bake much better bread. This may be true, but keep in mind that this scene takes place in the war-ravaged countryside where baking ingredients such as flour and leavening are scarce and those that can be found are of appallingly low quality. Also, the innkeeper was never trained as a baker, so of course his bread is subpar. While there is no doubt that Hot Pie is knows his way around the oven, almost anyone's baking would be better than the inedible loaves being baked when Hot Pie arrived.
In conclusion, we must be wary lest our emotions and sentimentality--Hot Pie is, after all, an amusing and memorable character---cloud our judgement of GRRM's depiction of his characters' baking abilities. A close, impartial reading of the text reveals in no uncertain terms, to the dismay and chagrin of Hot Pie's fanboys everywhere, that our fat young friend's wares are not the pies that were promised.
A theory that is supported not just by a careful reading of the text but the by the television show. Hot pie produces some brown bread putatively shaped like a wolf but no one recognizes the bread as such until he tells us what it is:
A master baker would be able to produce bread both delicious and properly formed. Hot pie tells us of his culinary skills but no character backs him up. Never do we see him cooking by himself, never does an independent culinary authority attest to his skill. Arya tells us he has no other skills at all but she is missing something -- he has a talent for showing up wherever the power players of the kingdoms do.
Think about it -- a simple cook is hanging out with an heir to winterfell, serving the brothers without banners, rubbing elbows with the squire to Tyrion Lannister. How could this be? The answer is simple -- Hot Pie is biding his time and when the time is right he will poison the cherries at the feast of whoever wins the throne and take that iron seat for himself. Ask yourself -- why does hot pie think about cherries as much as he does? Why does GRMM spend so much telling us about the qualities of 'strangler'? The answer? It's foreshadowing for the 'choke cherry' pie that will decide the contest for the throne.
Yes. Hot pie will be the lord of Andals and the first men etc & etc.
I'm loving the new season 6. Seems like they are really streamlining plots by eliminating characters that are still meandering in the books. I think there is no way it will exactly match future books but it is cool seeing these characters continue their TV journeys.
@smeagolheart I'm of the exact opposite opinion, I'm loving the show but I think they may be killing off too many important people far too quickly.
I feel like leaving out Arianne Martell and killing off Doran Martell was a huge mistake. Then they go and give Hodor a subplot, freaking Hodor.
Well at least Euron finally rocked and that means the kingsmoot is gonna happen and that means Victarion is gonna show up, so at least we have have the best of the Ironborn to look forward to.
Anybody else really wanted to see Tormund cleave that little traitor crow in twain last ep? I actually shouted at my screen "KILL THE LITTLE BASTARD!!!". Don't think I've wanted to see somebody dead in GoT so much since Catelyn Stark.
@smeagolheart I'm of the exact opposite opinion, I'm loving the show but I think they may be killing off too many important people far too quickly.
@SmilingSword I think they are doing that so that they can streamline storylines. They want to move things along in ways that George doesn't have to.
So whenever we next get to Dorn, instead of
Prince Doran, Arianne and whoever having to be included in the plot, they just streamline to "Elaria Sand's in charge" and we can focus on her instead of having all these extra actors to account for.
Same deal in Winterfell. Instead of having both Roose and Ramsey running around in the North, we only have one to deal with. If there were two Boltons then say Ramsey attacks the wall and gets killed, you still would have to track down and deal with Roose at some point etc etc.
So what they are doing is streamlining... North problem? Yeah deal with Ramsey instead of Ramsey and Roose.
Instead of a cast of thousands, which has proven really difficult for George himself to manage, they are cutting characters down to a cast of hundreds.
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Time for a NEW SEASON!
(Yeah, I know Game of Thrones is no Galavant. But still relevant!
And also time for the obligatory necromancy of the Game of Thrones thread.
Let the heads roll!
Heretics must be purged by fire!
In fealty to the God-Emperor and by the grace of the Golden Throne, I declare Exterminatus.
Which book covers this season?
When will G.R.R.M. release next book?
I think his newest novel comes out next year.
http://grrm.livejournal.com/465247.html
He added that there was "a lot still left to write" and that completion of the book was "months away still...if the writing goes well". Martin also revealed there had been a previous deadline of October 2015 that he had considered achievable in May 2015, and that in September 2015 he had still considered the end-of-year deadline achievable.
He further confirmed that some of the plot of the book might be revealed in the upcoming season of Game of Thrones but one of the showrunners, David Benioff, claimed that while certain key elements would be the same, the show would much diverge from the book in many respects.
In February 2016, Martin stated that he dropped all his editing projects except for Wild Cards, and that he would not be writing any teleplays, screenplays, short stories, introductions or forewords before delivering The Winds of Winter.
In episode 1 of the sixth season a couple of major threads in Dorn from the books were just ended to presumably streamline their role in any future events.
For example, Areo Hotah (the captain of the guard) who had a POV chapter in A Feast For Crows and Prince Doran Martell were just ended out of the blue in the first episode. Both guys are still alive and lingering around in the books presumably they will do something someday. At the time A Feast For Crows was written I was wondering why they were introducing all these characters from this place and the show just put an unceremonious end to them leaving only the Sand Snakes.
Also Stannis is still alive in the books and he is gearing up to fight with the Boltons. It sounds like from the preview Chapters from Winds of Winter that Martin has read aloud to audiences that Stannis has a good plan in place at least and hopefully his death isn't imminent but maybe it is.
NO OLD GODS, NO NEW GODS, NO FIRE, NO ICE, NO MASTERS
REVOLUTION ACROSS WESTEROS, REVOLUTION ACROSS ESSOS, REVOLUTION ACROSS SOTHORYOS, REVOLUTION ACROSS ULTHOS!
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/71374-is-hot-pie-overrated-as-a-baker/&page=1
In Arya's POV chapter, she reflects that Hot Pie doesn't do anything well except bake and sing.
I say, however, that fans have made far too much of Hot Pie's baking prowess. First of all, as a street urchin in King's Landing, we know that his mother made the pies and he sold them in the streets, yelling "Hot Pie! Hot Pie!" wherever he went. More pieman than baker, really. He might have watched his mother make pies and helped her from time to time, but I don't think he had enough experience or time with his mother to truly learn the secrets of pie baking.
Second of all I think our appreciation of Hot Pie is somewhat exaggerated by the fact that there are very few competent bakers appearing as characters in ASOIAF. If there were POV chapters about the master cooks of Illyrio's manse in Pentos, or about the artists in the Red Keep's kitchens who made pie full of doves, do you think Hot Pie's wares would even be a blip on our radar? No, ser. While we're on the subject, you may note that one of Joffrey's last utterances was that the pigeon pie he ate was rather "dry," but do not be fooled by this. He was at that point suffering from the effets of the "Strangler" potion, and every other indication we have is that the pies of the Red Keep's kitchen were delectably moist.
Back to the subject at hand, we also see Hot Pie making tarts and cakes in the kitchens of Harrenhal but he is essentially a baker's helper, one of many servants who work in the kitchens. It is the master baker's recipes that he uses, not his own. It's not as if he is running the kitchens himself. Also, note how Amory Lorch or Roose Bolton don't make any comment about the quality and deliciousness of the bread coming out of the kitchens; this shows us that Hot Pie's work, even under the instruction of a master cook, was middling at best.
Finally, Hot Pie informs the innkeeper at the Kneeling Man inn that his breads are tough and unpalatable and that he knows how bake much better bread. This may be true, but keep in mind that this scene takes place in the war-ravaged countryside where baking ingredients such as flour and leavening are scarce and those that can be found are of appallingly low quality. Also, the innkeeper was never trained as a baker, so of course his bread is subpar. While there is no doubt that Hot Pie is knows his way around the oven, almost anyone's baking would be better than the inedible loaves being baked when Hot Pie arrived.
In conclusion, we must be wary lest our emotions and sentimentality--Hot Pie is, after all, an amusing and memorable character---cloud our judgement of GRRM's depiction of his characters' baking abilities. A close, impartial reading of the text reveals in no uncertain terms, to the dismay and chagrin of Hot Pie's fanboys everywhere, that our fat young friend's wares are not the pies that were promised.
A theory that is supported not just by a careful reading of the text but the by the television show. Hot pie produces some brown bread putatively shaped like a wolf but no one recognizes the bread as such until he tells us what it is:
A master baker would be able to produce bread both delicious and properly formed. Hot pie tells us of his culinary skills but no character backs him up. Never do we see him cooking by himself, never does an independent culinary authority attest to his skill. Arya tells us he has no other skills at all but she is missing something -- he has a talent for showing up wherever the power players of the kingdoms do.
Think about it -- a simple cook is hanging out with an heir to winterfell, serving the brothers without banners, rubbing elbows with the squire to Tyrion Lannister. How could this be? The answer is simple -- Hot Pie is biding his time and when the time is right he will poison the cherries at the feast of whoever wins the throne and take that iron seat for himself. Ask yourself -- why does hot pie think about cherries as much as he does? Why does GRMM spend so much telling us about the qualities of 'strangler'? The answer? It's foreshadowing for the 'choke cherry' pie that will decide the contest for the throne.
Yes. Hot pie will be the lord of Andals and the first men etc & etc.
Really though what has be done besides be handsome and cut off a little girl's ear?
So whenever we next get to Dorn, instead of
Prince Doran, Arianne and whoever having to be included in the plot, they just streamline to "Elaria Sand's in charge" and we can focus on her instead of having all these extra actors to account for.
Same deal in Winterfell. Instead of having both Roose and Ramsey running around in the North, we only have one to deal with. If there were two Boltons then say Ramsey attacks the wall and gets killed, you still would have to track down and deal with Roose at some point etc etc.
So what they are doing is streamlining... North problem? Yeah deal with Ramsey instead of Ramsey and Roose.
Instead of a cast of thousands, which has proven really difficult for George himself to manage, they are cutting characters down to a cast of hundreds.