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  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    edited January 2018
    Colorado Republican Senator Corey Gardner is mad. Will he roll over like so many other Republicans have so far?

    Bob Corker, Jeff Flake and John McCain, Lisa Murkowski, Rubio, and others have all flopped against what they said they would do - stand up for something (for example on the tax bill). So far, when the chips are down these guys have been just spineless and vote along party lines to McConnell, Ryan and Trump's whims.



    Cory Gardner Blasts Sessions Over Pot Policy Shift
    The Republican senator from Colorado says he is ready to do anything in his power to prevent the attorney general from cracking down on state-legal marijuana.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2018-01-04/cory-gardner-blasts-sessions-over-marijuana-policy-shift
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited January 2018
    The idea that any Republican would be surprised that Jeff Sessions would take this stance on marijuana is the some of the most disingenuous BS I have heard all year (granted, it's January 4th, but there has already been ALOT). I would have bet $1000 sight unseen that Sessions would make this move during his tenure when he was nominated and confirmed. By the very same Republicans who are supposedly up in arms about it now. This was 110% predictable based on everything Jeff Sessions has ever said and done as a public figure. I know that. The idea that people who served in the Senate with him DIDN'T know is a bunch of poppycock. They simply know this policy is ridiculously unpopular in 2018, in an election year no less. But these crocodile tears about Jeff Sessions betraying them are hilarious. Anyone who didn't know what they were getting with Jeff Sessions as AG is too stupid to breath. From the moment he took the position, a ramping up of the drug war, crackdown on immigrants and an assault on voting rights were the main priorities. This isn't high level stuff. It was obvious to anyone who has paid attention to the political dynamics of this country for the last 30 years. Jeff Sessions has ALWAYS been this person. And Cory Gardner is just like every other Republican in both Houses of Congress. He will continue to be a syncophant for the madman in the White House until the ship goes down in flames. Frankly, I think the only reason Gardner is actually making this claim is that the word is out that Sessions needs to be removed as AG because of his recusal from the Russia probe, and Trump wants to install a staunch loyalist who will derail the investigation. Tonight's NY Times reporting does nothing but confirm that suspicion.
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    So Fire and Fury will release today on Friday due to pressure to prevent its release. I love it.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850

    So Fire and Fury will release today on Friday due to pressure to prevent its release. I love it.

    If even half of what is in the book is true, we are looking at an untenable situation. Most people on this country are still coasting along assuming nothing bad is going to happen because they can't wrap their heads around it, but Donald Trump is a dangerous person. And as it becomes more and more evident that he, like Nixon, used the power of his office to cover up crimes of his subordinates, and the Mueller investigation closes in on him, what is his move going to be?? Members of Congress were recently briefed by a Yale psychiatry professor in early December, and she warned them in no uncertain terms that he is, quote, "going to unravel". It seems self-evident that is what has been occurring for months. And again, if you take Trump's speech patterns into account, his slurring at numerous speeches over the last month, and information gleaned from reports both before this book and inside of it, I think there is at least a coin-flip of a chance that Trump, in addition to all his other problems, is actually exhibiting early signs of dementia. It's not really a flippant remark at this point. It seems to me to be a real possibility.
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
  • InKalInKal Member Posts: 196
    Woman is a father now? Oh, the times.....
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    I don't get the big deal. What does a kid call an adoptive female figure in Germany? How is that any different than allowing this person to be called the child's mother? Are there laws/taxes that just benefit mothers in Germany?
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    deltago said:

    I don't get the big deal. What does a kid call an adoptive female figure in Germany? How is that any different than allowing this person to be called the child's mother? Are there laws/taxes that just benefit mothers in Germany?
    It says it right there in the article. "German law defines a mother as the person who in fact gives birth to a child." Obviously within their family they can use whatever titles they please.
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    but what actual laws does this ruling reflect?

    What is the importance of being known as the child's mother from the government's perspective?
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    There are probably all kinds of laws that specify "mother" but not "father." I don't know them, but it would be very surprising if the term had no legal effect.

    The decision makes more sense in light of the fact that, according to a lower court, a woman who gives birth to a child and then transitions to male is still legally considered the "mother" and not the child's "father." It sounds like a consistent, biology-based approach to the matter.

    As for whether the laws should treat a mother as distinct from a father for any purpose, it really depends.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited January 2018
    One of the main oppositions that still exists towards transgender people is that many non-transgender people think it's ridiculous they should have to use and pay attention to using proper pro-nouns or classifications. And I think it's at least 100x more ridiculous that they care at all. It requires next to NO effort to just accept this is important to people in this community. It is meaningless to all the people who get annoyed by it and think it is some sign of impending societal decline. Much like gay marriage, it is a personal hang-up that is 100% due to what is going on in their own heads. And if someone IS bothered by calling someone born a women a male name (or vice versa), the first thing they should do is sit down for a few minutes and ask themselves WHY that is. And I suspect most people, if they were being honest with themselves, would be ashamed of what they discovered.

    The real problem is that it is incredibly easy for certain segments of society, possibly unhappy with their own lives, to read a news story like this, which likely goes against everything they learned or believed growing up and say "see, THIS is what is wrong with society, this is why things are going to hell in a handbasket". No, it isn't. It isn't even on the radar. People that are different (and who many people would, let's be honest, sadly consider "gross") have always been the easiest scapegoats. It was the single, solitary reason for Trump's attempted transgender military ban. It was NOTHING but trying to score political points with a certain demographic groups by exploiting their fear of something they don't understand, and haven't taken any time to understand.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited January 2018
    So now, in the midst of the entire Trump world's narrative and lies about the Russia scandal falling apart around them, we learn that the DoJ has opened an investigation in the Clinton Foundation. Based on supposed acts that happened over 6 or 7 years ago. It doesn't even matter if this investigation has merit (which I highly doubt it does). The President of the United States ORDERED his Attorney General to prosecute his political opponent in the last election, and now it is actually taking steps to happen. At this moment, there is no rule of law in this country. The Republican Congress is now attempting to criminalize Christopher Steele, the man behind the dossier, as well. Senate Republicans will not release the full transcript of their testimony with the people at Fusion GPS. At this point, the entire Republican Congress are now actively aiding and abetting a criminal conspiracy to cover up massive obstruction of justice and god knows what else. And to distract from it, the Jeff Sessions-led DoJ has taken the unprecedented step of giving in to the demands of the President to attempt to criminally prosecute his rival. This is now a Banana Republic. It is IMPOSSIBLE for this investigation to be valid, because Trump demanded it happen DOZENS of times of Twitter. This is not how this country functions. This is authoritarian to the bone. Today it is Hillary Clinton and Christopher Steele. Who is next?? The answer is anyone who gets in Trump's way. Wave goodbye to your country if this is allowed to stand and progress. Also, I will make a bet right now with anyone willing to take it that this tweet is going to prove to be entirely correct (if we even make it to that point):

    Oh, and for good measure, if you are wondering why women don't come forward about sexual harassment and abuse, this is exhibit A:
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    edited January 2018
    I doubt the investigation into Steele will go anywhere, nor do I particularly care either way. The Steele dossier means little to the Mueller investigation and little to me.

    I do care if Clinton ends up investigated YET AGAIN, this time because of a Trump order to the DoJ, but I don't think that investigation will go anywhere, either. None of the other investigations into Clinton ever went anywhere, including the ones controlled by Republican figures.

    Clinton has already been investigated multiple times by her political enemies. Trump is not doing anything new here.

    Nothing will change as a result of these new accusations. There will be no guilty verdict, nor will there be any clearing of wrongdoing. Just more accusations, repeated indefinitely.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited January 2018

    I doubt the investigation into Steele will go anywhere, nor do I particularly care either way. The Steele dossier means little to the Mueller investigation and little to me.

    I do care if Clinton ends up investigated YET AGAIN, this time because of a Trump order to the DoJ, but I don't think that investigation will go anywhere, either. None of the other investigations into Clinton ever went anywhere, including the ones controlled by Republican figures.

    Clinton has already been investigated multiple times by her political enemies. Trump is not doing anything new here.

    Nothing will change as a result of these new accusations. There will be no guilty verdict, nor will there be any clearing of wrongdoing. Just more accusations, repeated indefinitely.

    Honest question though, do you find it disturbing that this investigation is so obviously being done at the personal behest of the President, against his political opponent in the last election?? Isn't this a fundamental line we can't cross?? Or am I making too big a deal out of the President personally ordering DoJ investigations?? Because I don't think I am. Let's imagine what we would be hearing from FOX News and the right-wing media if the roles were reversed, Clinton had won, had taken to Twitter calling for his prosecution, and then ordered her Attorney General to pursue steps to make that happen. We all know what the reaction would be, and we also all know that would have never taken place in a million years. This isn't normal. This isn't a both sides issue. One side is using their power to criminalize political opposition as a blanket distraction against what is turning out to be a massive scandal. And, again, I don't really see HOW at this point people can still believe there isn't serious wrongdoing at the heart of the Mueller investigation. Just LOOK at the lengths they are going to to stop or distract from it. They are willing to throw away every single democratic norm in this country to protect this man. Something is seriously, seriously wrong right now.
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  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    edited January 2018
    I really don't want to set a precedent for national leaders prosecuting their political opponents. If Clinton must be prosecuted for one thing or another, Trump should not have a role in it. Let somebody else make that call.

    In non-democratic and pseudo-democratic countries, it is indeed very common for the winner of an election to prosecute the loser and lock them up under trumped-up charges (no pun intended). I don't think Trump is trying to imitate the leader of a third-world country, but third-world leaders across the globe have been doing exactly the same thing for decades.

    No, this isn't normal. Leaders of democratic countries do not do this. It's not a thing.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    Gave you guys seen making a murderer? There were like 30 searches of the guys house and on the 30th one they were like omg there's the victims car keys out here in the open! Now because of that the guy is in jail for life.

    How many unscrupulous morally bankrupt characters are going to investigate Hillary Clinton before one of them just happens to find a murder victims keys out in the open? How long before they get tired of finding nothing and suddenly find something because their boss told them to find something.

    Do I think it's dumb to investigate stuff that happened 7 years ago. Yes, she's completely irrelevant. This is major deflection. Despite what Bill O'Reilly said last month, there is no Clinton administration. Why is Trump investigating his political opponents?

    Up next, an investigation into Elizabeth Warren's native American heritage, right. Because it's really important to tell if she lied once. Imagine if they investigated Trump for lying. Where would you start lol.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited January 2018

    I really don't want to set a precedent for national leaders prosecuting their political opponents. If Clinton must be prosecuted for one thing or another, Trump should not have a role in it. Let somebody else make that call.

    In non-democratic and pseudo-democratic countries, it is indeed very common for the winner of an election to prosecute the loser and lock them up under trumped-up charges (no pun intended). I don't think Trump is trying to imitate the leader of a third-world country, but third-world leaders across the globe have been doing exactly the same thing for decades.

    No, this isn't normal. Leaders of democratic countries do not do this. It's not a thing.

    That is really the entire point. Even if (hypothetically) Hillary did need to be criminally prosecuted, Trump has destroyed any integrity of any investigation. Because either one of us could go look at half a dozen tweets he made calling for it to happen in no uncertain terms. He called for her top aide to be jailed THIS WEEK. No charges, no trial, just straight to jail. Those are the statements he has made in PUBLIC. God only knows what kind of pressure he has put on Sessions in private conversations in the Oval Office. So even if (again, a MAJOR hypothetical I don't believe exists) criminal wrongdoing needed to be investigated, Trump has destroyed any chance of that legitimately taking place. The key word in that sentence being "legitimately". Of course, how much of the country even knows this isn't normal, that this is not something Presidents do?? I feel like an ignorance of basic civics among the populace in this case gives Trump cover. Make no mistake, this is dangerous stuff. Don't let those Trump rallies over the summer fall down the memory hole. Those fascistic chants of "lock her up" weren't a joke. They were out for blood. I have mentioned numerous times this card was being kept in his back pocket for when the shit hit the fan. Now it is being played. So expect that Mueller is closing in on something very big.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    edited January 2018
    The Senate investigation announced it was going to recommend a criminal probe in the russia investigation. Oh my, maybe Paul Manaford? Don Trump Jr? Jared Kushner? Jeff Sessions? Devin Nunes? Mike Flynn? No of course not.

    The only problem for Republicans is that someone told on them about what they are doing. Leakers and whistleblowers and Clintons are the problem, not the criminal activity being reported from the Trump camp.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/01/05/gop-senators-recommend-criminal-probe-steele-dossier-author/1008199001/
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  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited January 2018
    I don't often post things from blatantly liberal sources because I feel people won't take them seriously, but this rundown of what Republicans have done to halt or stop the Russia investigation that Rachel Maddow did last night is all-encompassing, and more than a little chilling as far as the prospects for our democracy go. It's 20 minutes, but it's well worth watching:
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    I saw a snippet of a press gaggle or whatever where Trump claimed there was no collusion on his side but there was on Hillary and the DNC. So the DNC colluded with Russia to lose the election. And they colluded to hack their own emails and have them released by russian hackers. And then they maybe gave that info to Donald Trump Jr. though the Russians? I don't get it.

    How stupid do these people think people are? It's insulting to Trump fans, if such a thing exists.
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    There's a very excellent article in the Times about modern China and the government's approach to geopolitics and domestic turmoil, for anyone who's interested in modern China or international relations.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited January 2018
    Wow. this is really something:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU7v5A5P8BM

    To prove Jake Tapper's point throughout the interview, minutes after the interview aired:

  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    edited January 2018
    Did that douche bag, just call Air Force One, Trump Force One? *smh*

    "the plain spoken truth, self made billionaire (his whorehouse owning grandfather might want to have a word with him. He was self made, who died suddenly, where his wife and son (trump's father) took over and made billions), revolutionized reality T.V. (umm, he is no Parsons or Burnett... he was at most an actor/host), and tapped into something magical that is happening in the hearts of this country (yep, those are called heart attacks that Medicare would have covered. He is drilling those government savings and placing them in the bank!)."

    Can I ask you a question? "NO you can't ask me a question *ramble ramble ramble*"
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    deltago said:

    Did that douche bag, just call Air Force One, Trump Force One? *smh*

    "the plain spoken truth, self made billionaire (his whorehouse owning grandfather might want to have a word with him. He was self made, who died suddenly, where his wife and son (trump's father) took over and made billions), revolutionized reality T.V. (umm, he is no Parsons or Burnett... he was at most an actor/host), and tapped into something magical that is happening in the hearts of this country (yep, those are called heart attacks that Medicare would have covered. He is drilling those government savings and placing them in the bank!)."

    Can I ask you a question? "NO you can't ask me a question *ramble ramble ramble*"

    Doing even a cursory check into Stephen Miller's background will reveal some very interesting tidbits. That guy Trump sent out this morning to defend him once ran onto the track during the last lap of a race in a girl's track meet to "prove" that male athletes are superior. Others who went to high school with him remember him running for Student Council on the platform that they students shouldn't have to pick up their own trash, because that's what janitors are for. A former friend of his said that the summer before high school, Miller told him they couldn't be friends anymore because he was Latino. He had close ties to Richard Spencer while in college.

    Basically, he is the worst internet troll you can imagine, except he is one of the top advisers to the President and his chief speechwriter. Trump's response to Charlottesville was almost without a doubt shaped by whatever discussions he had with Stephen Miller. Of course, we know all this about him because he was the one who, in the first weeks of the Administration, after the travel ban stared causing chaos at airports from coast to coast, went on TV and said that "the President's authority will not be questioned." Which, incidentally, caused people to do some digging on his background. People can grow up an change if they want to. Most young males are assholes (though not to this extent). This guy didn't. He's the exact same person.
  • joluvjoluv Member Posts: 2,137
    deltago said:

    Did that douche bag, just call Air Force One, Trump Force One? *smh*

    Trump Force One is what Trump calls his private jet. Miller was talking about the campaign, so before Trump had access to Air Force One.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    joluv said:

    deltago said:

    Did that douche bag, just call Air Force One, Trump Force One? *smh*

    Trump Force One is what Trump calls his private jet. Miller was talking about the campaign, so before Trump had access to Air Force One.
    I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse. Put it this way, if you name your own private jet and often refer to yourself in the third person (as Trump does), that's a pretty clear cut sign that you should be kept away from positions of power. People who name inanimate objects have always freaked me out.
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