I love the lost druid idea. Death and decay are certainly all part of nature. Though, still being a Druid, is an undead form palatable? Druids oppose undeath in all forms. Maybe a shapeshift having to do more with decay. Maybe carrion crawler? A slime? A swarm of insects (flies maybe, for flavor?)
In my opinion, there is no way that a Charname can be a druid at all, storywise. No matter if Jungle, Arctic, Desert, whatever. So you really shouldn't let this become a burden over your thoughts.
When I reach the druids with DoF I intend to do PnP-deity-related druids (Chauntea, Rillifane, Silvanus, Malar, etc...) and non-PnP-deity-related druids (based on the elemental lords like Grumbar and Kossuth). I'll not bother with region-kits because PnP doesn't treat regionalism as kits per se and it would scape the mod's scope.
Actually, if you follow PnP by the letter, there is no such thing as "Druid". Every druid is related to some region and its powers, especially when it comes to shapeshifting, is related to that (that's why we have different shapeshifts in IWDEE and BG(2)EE). So the regions-branch are actually the base-class - the "default" is the Forest Druid.
What I mean is: don't worry yourself too much about something that even the original developers didn't bother. More than half of Faerun's pantheon shouldn't be allowed for a Charname if we would follow strictly the raised-in-Candlekeep story. Do whatever the hell you want and let people do their headcanon.
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While I find your will to give lots of shapeshifts admirable, I really think you're breaking Pareto's Law with. You'll end up with redundancies and waste time and effort in things that a player will never actually use. I think you should stick with 3 forms for the regionalism (if you embrace it) and an Insect/Mammal/Reptile form for the baseclass and that's it.
Don't undo your hard work with regional druids. Yes some are implausible for the BG charname, but so are many vanilla classes and kits (Conan the Barbarian Librarian? Vanilla Druid kits? Ranger? Shaman? Priest of Tempus? Necromancer?). But NPCs can benefit from your kits thru NPCee, and all are appropriate for IWD.
That's a lot of up front choosing. Arcane casters have to predict what spells they want to use the coming day. Sphere-selecting druids have to select which spells they want to use for the rest of their run? I'd like a mod that just rebalances the Druid spells and perhaps adds in some extra (well balanced) druid spells (could be those from IWD).
Having an odd issue with another mod, that I think is eithe related to 2.5 or this mod. I use the NPC mod, "Sirene". She is a paladin, but in my most recent install, she can only equip studded leather armors. I'm thinking the game might be reading her as a zealot? But she doesn't have a frenzy ability. Has the way FnP detects classes been changed in an update, by any chance? I've used these two mods together for months but never encountered this before.
@Grammarsalad Its my first playthrough since the 2.5 update. I was leaning either towards FnP or the update. I commented here (and in the other mods thread) to cover all my bases.
@Grammarsalad Its my first playthrough since the 2.5 update. I was leaning either towards FnP or the update. I commented here (and in the other mods thread) to cover all my bases.
You can use EE Keeper to make her a Martyr which does enable the use of heavy armour or alternatively use EE Keeper to make her a zealot which WILL give her smite ability though you will have to select the kit under the Innate tab to get the kit abilities. This is just a workaround until others solve the real problem, but it works for me.
@Grammarsalad Its my first playthrough since the 2.5 update. I was leaning either towards FnP or the update. I commented here (and in the other mods thread) to cover all my bases.
You can use EE Keeper to make her a Martyr which does enable the use of heavy armour or alternatively use EE Keeper to make her a zealot which WILL give her smite ability though you will have to select the kit under the Innate tab to get the kit abilities. This is just a workaround until others solve the real problem, but it works for me.
Odd, because she DOES have the Martyr kit for me. But is still having these weird armor restrictions.
Hmm... looking at the most recent code on Github, it seems like we have a Zealot of Ilmater, but not a Champion of Ilmater... could that be right?
That is indeed right. Sirene has a custom kit, the "Martyr" which an Ilmater Paladin. The odd thing is, that mod and this one has always played nice before. I'm thinking something in 2.5 changed just enough that the way these two mods interact has changed slightly.
@subtledoctor That's the weird thing. Her kit was always untouched before. But now she is getting zealot item restrictions and I have no idea why/what changed it.
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For the Lost Druid
http://www.lomion.de/cmm/wolfvamp.php
http://www.lomion.de/cmm/wolfdrea.php
http://www.lomion.de/cmm/astrwolf.php or http://www.lomion.de/cmm/ghosanim.php
http://www.lomion.de/cmm/zombwolf.php
When I reach the druids with DoF I intend to do PnP-deity-related druids (Chauntea, Rillifane, Silvanus, Malar, etc...) and non-PnP-deity-related druids (based on the elemental lords like Grumbar and Kossuth). I'll not bother with region-kits because PnP doesn't treat regionalism as kits per se and it would scape the mod's scope.
Actually, if you follow PnP by the letter, there is no such thing as "Druid". Every druid is related to some region and its powers, especially when it comes to shapeshifting, is related to that (that's why we have different shapeshifts in IWDEE and BG(2)EE). So the regions-branch are actually the base-class - the "default" is the Forest Druid.
What I mean is: don't worry yourself too much about something that even the original developers didn't bother. More than half of Faerun's pantheon shouldn't be allowed for a Charname if we would follow strictly the raised-in-Candlekeep story. Do whatever the hell you want and let people do their headcanon.
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Edit:
While I find your will to give lots of shapeshifts admirable, I really think you're breaking Pareto's Law with. You'll end up with redundancies and waste time and effort in things that a player will never actually use. I think you should stick with 3 forms for the regionalism (if you embrace it) and an Insect/Mammal/Reptile form for the baseclass and that's it.
If you are too restrictive, yes there is little desert, but in RL you get snakes, hyenas, and lions and lizards.
To that you could add basilisks.
I'd like a mod that just rebalances the Druid spells and perhaps adds in some extra (well balanced) druid spells (could be those from IWD).
I'm not sure. Do you know if this issue started with the 2.5 update? I don't think we've changed anything (i.e. in the release version) for a while...
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Could you upload an item that she Can't use? We could look at that to see which items are restricted for which kits/classes
Edit: maybe upload kitlist.2da as well so we can see what the martyr registers as
Edit2: another question: can she enter stealth mode like a ranger?