SoD Characters in BG2
MrGuse
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Forgive me if this has been asked and answered 100 times, but are any of the new characters in SoD going to appear in BG2 at all?
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So consider this: DLC Content, play as Corwin. After being filed with doubt over
Through a small trek through Baldur's Gate you track down the real story, and then have to find what happened to CHARNAME...maybe even
Merge that into A BG2 DLC confrontation between you and Corwin.
Corwin: CHARNAME! Thank the GODS I found you.
Charname: (coldly) Corwin. Here to bring me back to Baldur's Gate for Justice are you?
Corwin: Charname...I....I'm Sorry. You have no reason to forgive me after the way I treated you. I...was so angry...
Corwin: I have evidence, CHARNAME, I can clear you. You can come back to Baldur's Gate...
Charname: Even if I wanted to, I can't Corwin. Imoen, Irenicus is the one who killed Skie, and now he has Imoen too.
Corwin: I won't leave you. Not again. What can I do to help...
I'm no writer, Imagine THAT BG2 Scene in the hands of someone competent...
No, I absolutely believe Corwin would make for one of the best imports of characters into BG2 ever.
The thought of M'Khiin's high-level quest is exciting. You don't often see goblins at that high of a power level. I'm envisioning all kinds of Underdark shenanigans.
I also agree that Corwin would be an excellent BG2 companion. I want to party her up with Keldorn and Mazzy.
Would definitely love to have the New Viconia portrait available in 2. It's pretty close to the top of my list of things I like about the new expansion
I like it but we need another backstory for her to be in BG2, after all she has a daughter and her father. Unless the two of them died between the event of SOD andd BG2, or Irenicus/Bodhi kidnapped her daughter, father....
I hope you're talking about Corwin's Father and not the father of Corwin's Daughter...if you are talking about the father of Corwin's daughter, you're likely going to want to re-play SoD and pay a bit more attention to Corwin's story.
As to needing an additional backstory:
I think Corwin has a BOATLOAD Of reason to appear in BG2 without using her family as a plot point. At the end of SoD she breaks off the relationship with CHARNAME who she (in one dialog) can say "we had it all didn't we?" for the entire reason of believing him to be Skie's Killer...and she's WRONG about it.
At the end of the day Corwin throws away any relationship she has with Charname believing her duty to Baldur's Gate and the flaming fist to be in conflict with her love for the main character. If you've played with Corwin in your party, try to conceptualize what happens if/when Corwin finds out, conclusively, that Charname was NOT guilty and that he was framed for the murder? That she condemned the man she loved for a crime he did not commit...that the man she commits to after exiting Avernus is not the monster she believed and truly had she only believed him...
I believe that to be more than enough of a reason why Corwin would leave her Daughter in her Father's hands and treck off to find the Bhaalspawn...after all it's obviously not abnormal for her to do so for the Flaming Fist. "They'll do what they have to."
Even if there is no relationship left between Corwin and Charname, with as focused on Duty and what's Right as Corwin is, if she had information to clear Charname's name, do you really think she'd just say "Oh, hell with it, he's gone anyway" and move on with her life?
I'm talking about Corwin's Father, not the coward whom abandonned his own family.
I played with Corwin in my party and I already try to conceptualize what happens if/when Corwin finds out the truth about Charname. Corwin did her duty during the Caelar Argent crisis, if she had information to clear Charname's name after the "evasion", with what we know about her personnality she would did something, because it is right, and because of that I do not think Schael will stay in the Flaming Fist and in service of Baldur's Gate city just after she discovers that Charname was framed for the murder of Skie without a GOOD REASON to stay, and that Entar Silvershield condamned Charname to death just for revenge because she/he is a Bhaalspawn and someone framed him/her for that.
During the dialogue with Charname they talk about what is right about Corwin's daughter. And we (Player) find that Corwin will never left her daughter (because she is torns between her duty and work at the Flaming Fist and her daughter). A mother except if she is a bad one will never leave her child during a unknown period of time alone with her own grandfather. She'll miss everything about her daughter. If you have a child you should know that lad.
So tell me lad do you really think even if she breaks off the relationship with Charname, Corwin will track him down to clear his/her name without staying with her daughter ? With proof, Schael will stay in Baldur's Gate to clear charname's name because it is the right thing to do. Someone can help him inside the City he/she saved two times. Except some people will never accept that (especially Entar Silvershield, and Irenicus.) And will do everything to stop her even take down her family.
Because of Irenicus, Entar Silvershield is a broken man whom only goal in life now is to have his own revenge on Charname. What do you think he will do if Corwin finds a proof about his/her innocence ? He will never accept it and he will do everything to put a stop to the so-called proof and to track charname down to kill him/her himself.
it is why I believe that Corwin's daughter and her father (Corwin's father) need to die or at least being kidnap.
Beside another strange thing, how Irenicus successed to enter the Ducal Palace without anyone notice him ?
Glint and Jan would create a fun party.. I have glint voice in my head since I played SOD (If you don't give me somethind tooooo doo...")
Corwin is an important character, and I think too could be good NPC choice for BG2
I don't have any though on Voghiln as I didn't played him a lot.
I played the whole game with M'Khiin and liked her. She's a sad character but interresting. Adding a shaman NPC for bg2 seem mandatory to me as the only other option for having this new class in the party is charname.
And then
I can see several scenario to allow this, from a rescue mission organized by her uncle, to a rogue demon trying to lure us into Avernus with promise of looting item from Caelar / saving Caelar
Evil party could close a portal by sacrificing a party member..
Please, make an option so we can recruit Caelar Argent in Throne of Bhaal. And, if you do that, create a quest so she can gain the abillity to transform herself into a Solar
After this whole controversy thing? I seriously doubt it. Better chance of Leonard Nimoy comming back from the grave.
If there were a clearer sense of these things, expectations might be tempered to match. Now it's just like "The SoD characters might appear in BG2, maybe, at some point in the future, perhaps" or "We have the materials from Return to Windspear, and might possibly look into maybe doing something or other with it somewhen." I don't know what I'm supposed to do with that as someone who's trying to figure out where these EEs are going, or what they'll look like when Beamdog considers them to be "content complete".
Hell, the first thing that popped into my mind when Trent said they'd be rewriting Mizhena in a patch was "Uhh... as long as you're in there, maybe do something about Hexxat too?" Because popular she most definitely is not, and maybe that's something that can be tinkered with.
The only question now is who gets to attack her first, you or the werewolves...
#1) M'Khiin. I really like her. The clipped dialogue, the (un)common sense, the "too tired of this crap to care" tone to her voice... she was just a wonderful contrast to the bombastic standard of the party. Also, her version of Shaman, even if not more powerful than what a player can have, just has more style to it. I'd love to see her banters with Sarevok. It would be wonderful if the only thing that actually scares the man was a tiny old goblin.
#2) Corwin. Corwin is an odd combination of competence and likability that makes me just want to keep her in all SoD runs, whether she's an LI or not (she wasn't in my initial run, because Neera walked in and stole the show). Like M'Khiin, she's wonderfully underplayed rather than big and boisterous like most of the original and EE characters. It makes her presence a calming one and I'd like to see more of it.
#3) Glint. Woo, boy, Glint. I like this guy, I really do. He's like Alora, if Alora were a tenth as annoying and ten times more useful. Having a healer and a thief is vital, too, so you take care of two critical roles in one character slot. I'd be really pleased to see him again, but M'Khiin and Corwin added too much to my game for him to get any higher on my list.
#4) Volghiln. I really wanted to enjoy him, I did. I like vikings. I love Skalds. My headcannon version of the main character is a Skald. That said, Vol didn't impress me much. He was one dimensional, and his skirt chasing offended me more than Safana ever did. Honestly, Safana always struck me as someone who used flirtation to get what she wanted (i.e. treasure), rather enjoying using the pig-headed nature of her dupes to her advantage. A femme fatale of the highest order. Meanwhile, Volghiln just is a pig-headed dupe.
#5) Someone else. Their implementation as a party member was just really bad and a total letdown. A return in BG2 would be a great opportunity to make him an interesting ally instead, and it would be great to see him interacting with Sarevok in ToB. But #5 would need to have a pretty darn heavy import into BG2EE to make up for his lackluster appearance in SoD. If they took the time to do it right, he'd be my #1 pick, but based on SoD alone, bottom of the barrel will just have to do.
Caelar in BG2EE? Oh, good Wondermaker, that would be great. Imagine it: Caelar didn't get the get-out-of-jail free card she thought she had, and gets pulled out of her exile and imprisoned by some powerful mage or cleric with a penchant for justice. You get the chance to talk this caster into giving her a chance for redemption instead of justice, letting her join your party, where she serves as a powerhouse fighter, but displays a level of moral confusion rivaling "good" Sarevok in ToB, fighting to piece together whether she's a hero or a villain, which of the two she actually wants to be, and if she has what it takes to be make it happen.
Actually, a lot of my idea of Caelar's BG2 persona could be summed up as "like Sarevok, but coming from the opposite direction". Was the whole "Shining Lady" thing a lie? Was she truly just a spoiled brat who was willing to sacrifice thousands to save one? Was she never truly "good" enough? Can she atone for her deeds? If she saved a million, could that make up for the thousands she destroyed in her mad quest? How can a child of Lathander have become so lost when a child of Bhaal has such focus and (possible) virtue? Like Sarevok, Caelar had everything she built her life on torn out from under her by one Bhaalspawn and their sidekicks. And now, aimless and unsure of themselves, they stick to their destroyer like lampreys, feeding on a level of determination that will slap down the gods for not doing it right.
Wow... there is so much you could do with Caelar. It gives me shivers. Sadly, I just don't believe she'd live up to that potential.
Edited because my tag-fu failed me on the spoilers.