Poison Weapon

cbarchuk

Has this ability been nerfed? I dunno what it is, but it seems weaker to me.

GrimLefourbe

Yes it has been nerfed. It now scales with level and is less powerful overall.

cbarchuk

Thanks. I thought so. I don't recall how it exactly worked prior to the patch but it's definitely weaker. I think it's a pretty substantial nerf to a class that doesn't need it.

dunbar

Do you mean it's weaker since the 2.0 patch? I thought it had already been nerfed once.

cbarchuk

Well before it did poison damage even if the target made it's save. Now it doesn't. It also seemed to stack a lot more before too.

JuliusBorisov

@cbarchuk you can read a lot of players and developers opinions on the new Poison ability here - https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/48418/poison-weapon#latest - the developers listened to the feedback about this change during the open beta of 2.0. If you have views on how to make this ability better, you can share them on the forum and/or make a feature request through the Redmine - http://redmine.beamdog.com/projects

bob_veng

It's still so powerful i can hardly notice the difference (in bg:ee)

Dee

The ability deals damage on the initial hit regardless of the target's saving throw; the ongoing poison effect is negated by a successful save. And a target can only be "hit" with the poison once per round, regardless of their saving throw.

cbarchuk

Well I like the level scaling so that the ability isn't overpowered in BG1. But it's still weaker overall. Before it did ongoing damage (to a lesser degree) if the save was made. Now it does not. This sounds similar to how it was done in the Rogue Rebalancing Mod. I just think it's a bad nerf when your assassin is a higher level.

jankiel

Got a trick to you all. Use explosive arrows(they are easy to get now in SOD) with poison and observe as everyone hit with the blast gets hit with poison as well. IT IS GLORIOUS!

cbarchuk

Well I just read the thread bengoshi posted. Can't believe I missed it. But I agree with most of the complaints made. It's better balanced for lower levels but is a terrible nerf for higher levels.

OrlonKronsteen

Dee said:

The ability deals damage on the initial hit regardless of the target's saving throw; the ongoing poison effect is negated by a successful save. And a target can only be "hit" with the poison once per round, regardless of their saving throw.

Hi Dee, in my bg1 blackguard game enemies were saving against poison and taking zero damage (not even on initial hit). I don't know if I still have the save or not. If I do I'll report via Redmine.

Dee

OrlonKronsteen said:

Dee said:

The ability deals damage on the initial hit regardless of the target's saving throw; the ongoing poison effect is negated by a successful save. And a target can only be "hit" with the poison once per round, regardless of their saving throw.

Hi Dee, in my bg1 blackguard game enemies were saving against poison and taking zero damage (not even on initial hit). I don't know if I still have the save or not. If I do I'll report via Redmine.

If they're not taking even that initial damage, then that's probably a bug and worth reporting.