SoD and Beamdog have got support from WotC
JuliusBorisov
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Many people have been wondering what the WotC's reaction to SoD would be. Now we know.
"To our community,
Dungeons & Dragons stands by the stories our partners tell and we fully support the choices Beamdog has made in developing Siege of Dragonspear. Inclusivity is a core value of Wizards of the Coast and we believe that all people, regardless of ethnicity, background, gender identity or sexuality, should be free to play our games without fear of harassment or attacks. In July of 2014 we released the D&D Player’s Handbook for the fifth edition and included the following section as an example of our core values.
Sincerely,
Nathan Stewart
Director of Dungeons & Dragons"
https://www.facebook.com/dungeonsanddragons/photos/a.98724281070.125189.73340321070/10153970936806071/?type=1&theater
"To our community,
Dungeons & Dragons stands by the stories our partners tell and we fully support the choices Beamdog has made in developing Siege of Dragonspear. Inclusivity is a core value of Wizards of the Coast and we believe that all people, regardless of ethnicity, background, gender identity or sexuality, should be free to play our games without fear of harassment or attacks. In July of 2014 we released the D&D Player’s Handbook for the fifth edition and included the following section as an example of our core values.
Sincerely,
Nathan Stewart
Director of Dungeons & Dragons"
https://www.facebook.com/dungeonsanddragons/photos/a.98724281070.125189.73340321070/10153970936806071/?type=1&theater
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No? Ok then.
*yawn*
ALSO: the next person who uses any of the following expressions or terms will be punched in the face: shoehorning, SJW, virtue signal(ling), hamfisted (i may or may not add to this list as i see fit)
Newsflash people, no, if Mizhena was a problem for the negative reviews, Krem of Dragon Age would be as well, in a more popular game. But Krem wasn't a problem, and no one cared.
If you haven't figured it out yet, it was a mistake to take a jab at GamerGate directly through Minsc. That was what caused the "enthusiasm" of people to express negativity.
Plus, it should be a logical conclusion that people will get pissed off, when you basically try to tell them they need fixing through a particular writer, who managed to basically insult both fans, previous writers and everyone who disagrees even slightly, in one phrase.
You should have never brought politics like FemFreq or GG in Baldur's Gate. What were you thinking? Unless you wanted publicity, in which case, you got it.
Believe what you want, express yourselves how you want. But do understand, that when you try to convince everyone that GGers are just "insert insult" here and FF is "fine and just", well we have all kinds of problems, that involve logic.
You are basically taking political sides and expressing them through a game. Not for Mizhena, again. You should create diverse characters, obviously. But don't jab directly at people and their beliefs, just for the heck of it.
TL;DR Mizhena and diverse characters are fine. The game is fine. Jabs at people directly are not.
But if, on the other hand, the root of ones criticism of Siege of Dragonspear wasn't the bugs, or the functionality, or the quality of the writing, or the quests, or the UI, one might take Wotc's statement as proof that one was right all along. There is a cultural war! They are attacking us and insulting us and there is a political agenda, and it is being shoved down our throats, and Wotc have just demonstrated which side they are on.
And so for me, whilst I welcome the statement, it won't have a bearing on my view (positive or otherwise) of the game. I judge the game on the merits of the game.
Loki, one of the most awesome deities portrayed in myths, transformed into a mare and copulated with a stallion of giant, giving birth to Sleipnir. Do you need more sexuality controversy than this? And the character is freaking awesome. In greek mythology we also have a lot of cases of homosexuality. Come on... Achilles, one the most iconic heroes of our culture, clearly loved Patroclus.
The problem is modernisms, bad characters and bad and forced stories.
Ps.: I haven't played Siege of Dragonspear yet. I've just read all the controversy.
I'm glad to see that Wizards of the Coast is standing by Beamdog and that trans inclusion is now officially lore-compatible. If people don't think trans characters belong in the realms, they should take it up with WotC.
It's not denial. It's not Mizhena that brought all this. It never happened on a much bigger game with a more prominent trans character. Why did it happen now?
It's logic. You're using anecdotal evidence based on 8-10 vocal bigots that were "insulted" but such an inclusion. You know nothing, Jon Snow.
BEHOLD!
A half-orc paladin!
A lady-warrior in samurai-inspired armor!
Spear-guy with dreads!
The face of the Human race!
Lady-dwarf with a hammer bigger than your head!
And of course we have an obligatory draconian. BECAUSE DRACONIAN.
Wizards of the Coast has grown more and more inclusive this latest edition. Their support should come as no surprise to anyone.
But if you're arguing that this is only about an Easter egg from Minsc and a few quotes from one writer, that's almost worse in revealing how extremely thin skinned gamergate is for a group that claims to be about free speech.
Again: I'm just glad WotC is on the record supporting Beamdog. But if you want to continue attacking a developer that is already removing the precious Minsc line and changing the trans character that apparently nobody cared about, go right ahead.
Also, I have SoD. But I couldn't played it yet, because I heated the new UI and can't stand the bugs. I'm waiting for a new patch.
But, listen. I didn't said that Siege of Dragonspear has bad writing (and I couldn't, because I haven't played it yet). I'm just saying that keeping arguing that the problem was the mere presence of a transexual character is pointless. You should be discussing if she's a bad or good character.
I consider Nera a really bad character, and I want her out of my game. I didn't liked a lot of beamdog content in the enhanced editions of BG1 and BG2... So, by my previous experiences, I tend to think this "Mizhena" might be a bad character.
I was joking around before, but seriously, I recommend giving the game a real shot. I haven't run into any serious bugs, and the UI is actually kind of nice (unlike BG2EE's, which is currently a mess). Even in its current state, the game is a lot more fun than reading this stuff. I honestly think that people are exaggerating the technical problems because they're mad about other stuff. It's in pretty good shape.
it just doesn't feel like a realistic world anymore it's like beamdog have added something into the water of the sword coast.
Now I don't know the quality of the romances (I've heard Corwin was a bit sudden about bringing up romance), but having two gay characters is perfectly reasonable.
"BeamDog has come under controversy once again after having the well known character Drizzt Do'Urden come out as a homosexual in their latest expansion called Baldurs Gate: Dont drop the soap. In an interview with Kotaku they had this to say "Yeah, Drizzt is gay and we dont give a f- what anyone has to say about it", while reviews of the game were mixed at first, Pc Gamer had this to say about it "It's the worst game since Shaq-fu". More on this developing story at 11'
it is totally disproportionate and as a straight person it just roll you're eyes and get on with it as usual, and yes it does ruin the character, I was looking forward to having glint in my party now I just don't care sorry if you think it's because I'm a bigot it's not, it's because as the captain of a fighting force I want my crew to be thinking about the enemy and not my 18/00 str steel buns.
I have two daughters and I told my wife (sorry, I have two XX-chromosome progeny, and I mansplained my patriarchal view to my cis het XX-chromosome, contractual life-partner) that we should raise them to be gender neutral so that CPS doesn't come take them for abuse (patriarchally forcing pink dresses upon them) in ten years once the world gets dragged off the deep end.