My enjoyment of the SoD has not been diminished, and I am at a loss to believe that anyone normal gamers gaming joy is that fragile.
Or maybe I can take so well, because 18 years on, i am still outraged that the original BG tried to force feed me this political agenda that slavery is wrong!!!! Oh, the boldness, oh the outrage - I just really wanted to drown all those slaves without any political rep-hit message that it's a bad thing to do...
Where is my innocent escapism, I ask? (a smiley raising a slightly sardonic eyebrow here)
I know you're kidding, @TStael, but that view is much closer than I would prefer to some that have been put forth in earnest. For example, from the OP of the Kotaku interview thread:
Is it bad thing by default if stuff like rampart sexism, slavery etc are portrayed as functional, integral, ordinary part of a fictional world, rather than as some devil-horned evil that is for player char to change?
Edit: To be clear, I meant that those views should be farther from your joke, not that there was anything wrong with your joke.
Actually, we are using the Roman alphabet. The phonetic alphabet is much more bizarre.
Wrong and correct. The phoenicians invented and wrote in lower case. THE ROMANS WROTE IN CAPITALS. Today, pupils still look on at the writing left on the ruins of the Roman empire all over Europe and wonder why they were always shouting...
I know you're kidding, @TStael, but that view is much closer than I would prefer to some that have been put forth in earnest. For example, from the OP of the Kotaku interview thread:
Is it bad thing by default if stuff like rampart sexism, slavery etc are portrayed as functional, integral, ordinary part of a fictional world, rather than as some devil-horned evil that is for player char to change?
Edit: To be clear, I meant that those views should be farther from your joke, not that there was anything wrong with your joke.
Indeed I was, and not to worry - I never assumed you humourless!
I've indeed wondered why those who can take a dragon without batting an eyelash so closely cherish worst aspects of human society as some form of "sophisticated" or "natural" or "realistic" narrative. But try and introduce some of the better, more inclusive aspects, and it's terribly immersion breaking!
Bit of double-standard here, maybe?
I am not against "problematic" content, only that it should serve a narrative purpose. Take Leliana torture scene in DA:Inquisition. Do I like gratuitous, voyeuristic torture in games? No. Was that scene lacking in narrative meaning and power? Not at all!
I agree. Why, I just don't understand what people have against cabbage farming so much. I mean sure, we're mostly used to seeing grain, or even pumpkin farming in video games. So what makes graphic depictions of cabbage farming so bad?
I mean, people eat cabbages. They are full of vital nutrients, yet people hate them so much for some reason. We should just end this cabbage hate, and the only way we can do that is through exposure to carciferous vegetables in the media.
Cabbage surpasses all vegetables. Eat it either cooked or raw. If you eat it raw, dress it with vinegar. It aids digestion remarkably and does the bowels good, and the urine will be beneficial for all purposes.
If you want to drink a lot and eat copiously at a party, eat as much cabbage as you want, raw and dressed with vinegar, before dining. Then, when about to dine, eat about 5 leaves. You will feel as if you had eaten nothing, and you can drink as much as you want.
I think this is a British thing. A bit like a good shag means great hair for Americans on the other side of the pond and something else entirely for Brits...
And here I thought that "good shag" meant high quality, deep pile carpeting.
Actually, we are using the Roman alphabet. The phonetic alphabet is much more bizarre.
Wrong and correct. The phoenicians invented and wrote in lower case. THE ROMANS WROTE IN CAPITALS. Today, pupils still look on at the writing left on the ruins of the Roman empire all over Europe and wonder why they were always shouting...
Roman architecture might have had capitals because they look much more appropriate on monuments and public buildings. Actual writing was done in lower case.
Actually, we are using the Roman alphabet. The phonetic alphabet is much more bizarre.
Wrong and correct. The phoenicians invented and wrote in lower case. THE ROMANS WROTE IN CAPITALS. Today, pupils still look on at the writing left on the ruins of the Roman empire all over Europe and wonder why they were always shouting...
Roman architecture might have had capitals because they look much more appropriate on monuments and public buildings. Actual writing was done in lower case.
Nope. They used capital letters on monuments as they purposefully have less curves so are easier to gouge and carve into stone... Also easier to gouge into clay. Paper is Egyptian... Papyrus.
Although the Romans would scratch onto velum, stretched and dried sheepskin...
The Romans did use what we would recognise as lower case letters, but this was a stylistic use only... And what I have read... Only for four letters...
Actually, we are using the Roman alphabet. The phonetic alphabet is much more bizarre.
Wrong and correct. The phoenicians invented and wrote in lower case. THE ROMANS WROTE IN CAPITALS. Today, pupils still look on at the writing left on the ruins of the Roman empire all over Europe and wonder why they were always shouting...
Roman architecture might have had capitals because they look much more appropriate on monuments and public buildings. Actual writing was done in lower case.
Nope. They used capital letters on monuments as they purposefully have less curves so are easier to gouge and carve into stone... Also easier to gouge into clay. Paper is Egyptian... Papyrus.
Although the Romans would scratch onto velum, stretched and dried sheepskin...
The Romans did use what we would recognise as lower case letters, but this was a stylistic use only... And what I have read... Only for four letters...
Which is news to me as I teach this stuff!
Written Roman alphabet - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_cursive. The capital letters were mainly used for buildings and public announcements, every day Latin was written in lower case, though obviously they didn't capitalise as we do.
I thought a transgender was a car part that had something to do with the clutch.
I reckoned SJW was a type of bike chain lubricant.
I was positive shoehorning is what you did when you used a shoehorn to put on a shoe...
I was pretty sure computer games are used as a form of escapism and not a means to spread political ideologies.
My apologies on being ignorant.
Can we be happy now again please and just enjoy the befuddlement at the situation together?
Happy? Happy?!? How can anyone be happy at a time like this?! What we need is more outrage, political posturing, and divisiveness! Call for boycotts! Ban... something! Get a bunch of people together with pitchforks! I don't know. Just do something that seems over the top and dramatic. That'll teach 'em!
Anybody can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right person and to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way - that is not within everybody's power and is not easy.
All this SJW transgender whatever is not an issue for me, the issue is this is a bad game, they werent finished, way too many bugs, who cares what npcs say or dont say if you cant even go into a door?
@uglyaardvark "they werent finished, way too many bugs, who cares what npcs say or dont say if you cant even go into a door?"
Honestly, I had the game give me 2 bugs, only one of which crashed the game (in total, over my entire playthrough of the expansion, my game crashed twice, both times after several hours of play). The less serious bug was just some issues with voicing (dorn declared himself party leader because he was tired. I chalked it up to him being SO TIRED he was hallucinating that I'd actually put him in charge of the part... HAH! As if!)
Done. I say we boycott carbonated water! WHO NEEDS CARBONATED WATER!? Carbonated water is just trying to control us and make us buy into Big Business! Carbonated water is leading to kids being violent because they don't get enough sugar and food colouring when the drink it!
Done. I say we boycott carbonated water! WHO NEEDS CARBONATED WATER!? Carbonated water is just trying to control us and make us buy into Big Business! Carbonated water is leading to kids being violent because they don't get enough sugar and food colouring when the drink it!
That's the spirit! Now we're getting somewhere! Personally, I'm boycotting brussel sprouts. It's an evil vegetable that has ties to the radical SJW movement. Or was it ties to Gamers Gate? Bah. It makes little difference. I'm boycotting it, and there's nothing anyone can do to stop me.
First, then, to explain the nature of cabbage. The first kind is called levis, delicate. It is large, broad-leaved, long-stemmed, and has a powerful nature and great force. The second is crinkled, called apiaca: good in nature and appearance, it is more powerful in medicine than the first. So is the third, called mild: thin-stemmed, it is tender and the bitterest of all, with a very active thin juice. You must know first of all that of all the kinds of cabbage, none is as effective a medicine as this last one.
Put cabbage, ground fine, onto all wounds and swellings. It will clean up and heal all sores painlessly. It brings boils to a head and makes them burst.
It will clean up and heal septic wounds and cancers as medicines cannot. Before you apply it, wash with plenty of hot water, then apply ground cabbage twice a day. It will remove all decay. Black cancer gives off a smell and a foul slime; the white is purulent but fistulous and suppurates under the flesh. Grind cabbage for illnesses of this kind. It will cure them, and is the best thing for illnesses of this kind.
In case of dislocation, foment with hot water twice a day and apply ground cabbage: it will soon cure it. Apply twice a day: it will remove the pain. If there is any bruising, it will break it up; apply ground cabbage: it will cure it.
If any sore or cancer develops in the breasts, apply ground cabbage: it will cure it. If the sore cannot bear the bitterness of the cabbage, mix with barley flour and apply the mixture: it will cure all sores of this kind, while other medicines cannot cure them or clean them up. If a child has a sore of this kind, again, add barley flour.
If you want your cabbage chopped, washed, dried, sprinkled with salt or vinegar, there is nothing healthier. To enjoy it more, sprinkle with honey vinegar. Washed and dried, with chopped rue and coriander and sprinkled with salt. It does you good, permits no disease to remain in the body, and does the bowels good. If there was any disease present internally, cabbage will cure all, remove all sicknesses from the head and the eyes and cure them. Take it in the morning before eating.
When all the veins are blown up with food, they cannot breathe through the body, and that gives rise to illness. When from overeating the bowels will not move, if you take (as I advise) an appropriate amount of cabbage, you will develop no illness from overeating.
Nothing clears illness of the joints as well as raw cabbage, whether you eat it chopped, with rue and coriander chopped in, dry, or as cabbage in honey vinegar sprinkled with salt. If you take this, you will have the use of all your joints. It costs nothing, and even if it did you should try it for the sake of health. Take it in the morning before eating.
One who suffers from insomnia or senility will find the same cure effective. Give this patient, before eating, cabbage fried in fat, hot with a little salt. The more that is eaten, the quicker will be the recovery from this illness.
Those who are troubled by colic are to be treated as follows. Soak cabbage thoroughly, then place in a cooking pot and boil thoroughly. When well cooked, pour off the water and add plenty of oil and a little salt, cumin, and fine barley meal. Then boil thoroughly. When it has boiled put in a dish. Give this to the patient to eat, without bread if possible; if not, allow bread, with this dish as relish, but nothing else. If there is no fever, give red wine to drink. The cure will be rapid. Whenever necessary, this will cure anyone who is weak.
As to patients for whom urination is painful or dribbling. Take cabbage, put it in boiling water, and boil briefly till half cooked. Then pour out some of the water, add plenty of oil and salt and a little cumin. Bring to the boil briefly. Then take the juice, cold, and eat the cabbage itself. Do this each day.
Some people are basically trying to burn down a restaurant because it served them a burger they didn't like. Befuddling is right.
Yes. But if they had been given burger they did not like and they were also an arsonist, this would make sense!
The current situation is far more confusing...
The burger had a little kale on it and was therefore trying to force a health food agenda down their throats.
My kale was in a little side dish?
Right, but you were still forced to *accept* that it was in the side dish. You weren't allowed to throw the kale in the server's face, for example. Also, the kale wasn't buried under enough cheese – you didn't have to dig before discovering that it was kale.
Buy if the restaurant is otherwise enjoyable, then you would have to be a child or have some kind of emotional disorder to never return to said restaurant. In fact anyone who would refuse to go back to the restaurant over the kale side dish should be shunned by friends and society alike. *Sigh* unfortunately the world is full of awful people who will still accept these folks who would quickly discard wonderful restaurants based on a side of kale. The world wad a better place when these people were austricized.
I thought a transgender was a car part that had something to do with the clutch.
I reckoned SJW was a type of bike chain lubricant.
I was positive shoehorning is what you did when you used a shoehorn to put on a shoe...
I was pretty sure computer games are used as a form of escapism and not a means to spread political ideologies.
My apologies on being ignorant.
Can we be happy now again please and just enjoy the befuddlement at the situation together?
The main problem is that people are claiming there is a political message simply because the developers chose to include a transgendered character. As if being transgendered itself is a political statement. lol They never told people they have to support transgendered people so there was no political message.
The issue I see with "GamerGate" types of people is that they seem to think it has to be a political statement anytime a game has an LGBT character/relationship, strong female or black character as a protagonist, etc... When in reality, it is just most likely an attempt to appeal to a broader audience. These guys seem to not realize that this isn't the 1990's and the gaming audience is far more diverse now so companies are naturally going to try to increase their sales by appealing to more people. Its a smart business decision.
The funny thing is that these guys never seem to apply the same logic whenever its a heterosexual white male character. Apparently, they never think that is a political statement but all other groups are.... Interesting logic.
I'm shocked and angry. When you walk into the palace district of Baldur's Gate, a man with a speech impediment approaches you. If you get angry at him he bemoans his impairment. He outright says that he needs how to lean how to talk right. There is no way out of this, he just walks up to you and puts his SJW agenda in your face! I'm tired of games politicking everything. Boycott vanilla baldurs gate! Review bomb it! Heads SHOULD roll for this! As a man without a speech impediment I play games for escapism, not being lectured to. I have nothing against people with speech impediments. But the problem is that the writing was poor. Vanilla baldurs gate needs to expand on him. Then I'll stop being angry. Promise.
Yeah, and let's not forget Irenicus' shoehorning you in BG2 to give up your divine soul. "My soul's gone. I need yours". Just another whiny SJW archmage. It gets old. It really does.
not even throne bhall is safe from this. you just beat jon and who walks up to pick a fight with you an female elf named Illasera. the most "developed" villain to ever be seen in an rpg. the pandering i swear.
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Or maybe I can take so well, because 18 years on, i am still outraged that the original BG tried to force feed me this political agenda that slavery is wrong!!!! Oh, the boldness, oh the outrage - I just really wanted to drown all those slaves without any political rep-hit message that it's a bad thing to do...
Where is my innocent escapism, I ask? (a smiley raising a slightly sardonic eyebrow here)
I've indeed wondered why those who can take a dragon without batting an eyelash so closely cherish worst aspects of human society as some form of "sophisticated" or "natural" or "realistic" narrative. But try and introduce some of the better, more inclusive aspects, and it's terribly immersion breaking!
Bit of double-standard here, maybe?
I am not against "problematic" content, only that it should serve a narrative purpose. Take Leliana torture scene in DA:Inquisition. Do I like gratuitous, voyeuristic torture in games? No. Was that scene lacking in narrative meaning and power? Not at all!
I mean, people eat cabbages. They are full of vital nutrients, yet people hate them so much for some reason. We should just end this cabbage hate, and the only way we can do that is through exposure to carciferous vegetables in the media.
If you want to drink a lot and eat copiously at a party, eat as much cabbage as you want, raw and dressed with vinegar, before dining. Then, when about to dine, eat about 5 leaves. You will feel as if you had eaten nothing, and you can drink as much as you want.
Furthermore,
Although the Romans would scratch onto velum, stretched and dried sheepskin...
More info here:
http://moorstation.org/typoasis/tbp/topic/romworx/eng/roman.htm
And more info on the birth of lower and upper case here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_case
The Romans did use what we would recognise as lower case letters, but this was a stylistic use only... And what I have read... Only for four letters...
Which is news to me as I teach this stuff!
Doesn't that sound way better than being happy?
Honestly, I had the game give me 2 bugs, only one of which crashed the game (in total, over my entire playthrough of the expansion, my game crashed twice, both times after several hours of play). The less serious bug was just some issues with voicing (dorn declared himself party leader because he was tired. I chalked it up to him being SO TIRED he was hallucinating that I'd actually put him in charge of the part... HAH! As if!)
@marceror "Call for boycotts!"
Done. I say we boycott carbonated water! WHO NEEDS CARBONATED WATER!? Carbonated water is just trying to control us and make us buy into Big Business! Carbonated water is leading to kids being violent because they don't get enough sugar and food colouring when the drink it!
Put cabbage, ground fine, onto all wounds and swellings. It will clean up and heal all sores painlessly. It brings boils to a head and makes them burst.
It will clean up and heal septic wounds and cancers as medicines cannot. Before you apply it, wash with plenty of hot water, then apply ground cabbage twice a day. It will remove all decay. Black cancer gives off a smell and a foul slime; the white is purulent but fistulous and suppurates under the flesh. Grind cabbage for illnesses of this kind. It will cure them, and is the best thing for illnesses of this kind.
In case of dislocation, foment with hot water twice a day and apply ground cabbage: it will soon cure it. Apply twice a day: it will remove the pain. If there is any bruising, it will break it up; apply ground cabbage: it will cure it.
If any sore or cancer develops in the breasts, apply ground cabbage: it will cure it. If the sore cannot bear the bitterness of the cabbage, mix with barley flour and apply the mixture: it will cure all sores of this kind, while other medicines cannot cure them or clean them up. If a child has a sore of this kind, again, add barley flour.
If you want your cabbage chopped, washed, dried, sprinkled with salt or vinegar, there is nothing healthier. To enjoy it more, sprinkle with honey vinegar. Washed and dried, with chopped rue and coriander and sprinkled with salt. It does you good, permits no disease to remain in the body, and does the bowels good. If there was any disease present internally, cabbage will cure all, remove all sicknesses from the head and the eyes and cure them. Take it in the morning before eating.
When all the veins are blown up with food, they cannot breathe through the body, and that gives rise to illness. When from overeating the bowels will not move, if you take (as I advise) an appropriate amount of cabbage, you will develop no illness from overeating.
Nothing clears illness of the joints as well as raw cabbage, whether you eat it chopped, with rue and coriander chopped in, dry, or as cabbage in honey vinegar sprinkled with salt. If you take this, you will have the use of all your joints. It costs nothing, and even if it did you should try it for the sake of health. Take it in the morning before eating.
One who suffers from insomnia or senility will find the same cure effective. Give this patient, before eating, cabbage fried in fat, hot with a little salt. The more that is eaten, the quicker will be the recovery from this illness.
Those who are troubled by colic are to be treated as follows. Soak cabbage thoroughly, then place in a cooking pot and boil thoroughly. When well cooked, pour off the water and add plenty of oil and a little salt, cumin, and fine barley meal. Then boil thoroughly. When it has boiled put in a dish. Give this to the patient to eat, without bread if possible; if not, allow bread, with this dish as relish, but nothing else. If there is no fever, give red wine to drink. The cure will be rapid. Whenever necessary, this will cure anyone who is weak.
As to patients for whom urination is painful or dribbling. Take cabbage, put it in boiling water, and boil briefly till half cooked. Then pour out some of the water, add plenty of oil and salt and a little cumin. Bring to the boil briefly. Then take the juice, cold, and eat the cabbage itself. Do this each day.
The issue I see with "GamerGate" types of people is that they seem to think it has to be a political statement anytime a game has an LGBT character/relationship, strong female or black character as a protagonist, etc... When in reality, it is just most likely an attempt to appeal to a broader audience. These guys seem to not realize that this isn't the 1990's and the gaming audience is far more diverse now so companies are naturally going to try to increase their sales by appealing to more people. Its a smart business decision.
The funny thing is that these guys never seem to apply the same logic whenever its a heterosexual white male character. Apparently, they never think that is a political statement but all other groups are.... Interesting logic.
It's about ethics in cabbage journalism.