Ive heard the mods are terrible, able to undo a players months of progress for just getting into an argument or such.
I've seen or heard none of the kind. If you are referring to the video on the last page, well, you can see what we had to say about it there as well.
Sry, didnt read the whole thread. But from what Ive gathered through my google research this mod seems a dystopian pocket of existance, opressed by fascist roleplayers. And cow people.
Yes, I do realize this might not be an altogether accurate judgement. Just another 2 coins in the ring!
Ofcourse the DM's are able to undo months of playing, if players are caught cheating, rulebreaking or exploiting that's only just in my opinion. A few days ago I heard about a hacker who was caught using "UI overrides" to trigger scripts that gave him XP and free feats. Such people need to be dealt with.
As far as unfair DM's, I've seen no evidence of that. There appear to have been some bad people a few years ago but its not reasonable to base a current perspective on such old information. They're actually quite professional because you can make complaints without fear of being penalized. Ofcourse there must be rules in any multiplayer game. People will get into conflicts and that needs to be resolved via rules.
The DM staff has been very helpfull so far, I asked them to do an event for my character's roleplayed background story and that was a lot of fun. They take requests really well so long as they have the time. I think this is part of the reason why this server has such a large player count. It reflects the quality of gameplay.
They dont just ban you for cheats and exploits, they can ban you for simply swearing or having an inappropriate name.
Any online game with mods is like that, you can get banned for the slightest things if a mod simply doesnt like you.
Well, let's look at this:
The demand is very high. They don't need to attract lots of new players.
They don't make money. It's not a paid subscription.
It isn't a professional company. They're fans performing a service for other fans.
They can afford to have high standards. Playing on their server is not a right. It is a privilege.
If you do not like their rules, you do not have to play. You have paid no money to them. If you donate for server upkeep, you must like what they are doing but it is not purchasing a subscription.
I'll go further than that. When you find a game you truely love, you take steps to protect and nourish it. I play in a weekly game. One player had SEVERE schedule issues. He wouldn't show up, he wouldn't return emails, he was never even online. Eventually the rest of the group decided we had to cut him loose. We are not looking for another player to fill the hole. We're searching for another player that will maintain the game as it is. We love the game, we want it to continue, but we don't want that ineffable quality that we love so dearly to be lost. So we're being extremely selective over whom we offer an invitation to.
I've never played this NWN2/Baldur's Gate hybrid. Just from what I've read about what they do, and the expense, I can tell they love their game. If there were issues before it sounds like they've been dealt with.
Play it. Don't play it. But don't complain if the rules are draconian in some regards. It is their right to deny service to people that break their rules, especially when it comes to maintaining the integrity of their game.
You're mad just at the fact that they have the power to do it. It's the same if you went over to a friends house to play D&D...
The DM rules all. His rules, (normally his house) ... If you don't like them, don't play. They are there to help *YOU* have a good time, not ruin everyones fun. The mod(DM) isn't going to just "not like you" you definitely need a reason for it... If you're over there playing D&D screaming obscenities and generally not playing the game, naming your character Dumbass Mcdickshit, yeah... No one is going to want you there.
And their policy is more along the lines of having you get your name changed first, and if you really give them trouble then yeah you could get banned... But the server is an "RP" server.. Why go there if you don't want to RP?
Sry, didnt read the whole thread. But from what Ive gathered through my google research this mod seems a dystopian pocket of existance, opressed by fascist roleplayers. And cow people.
Yes, I do realize this might not be an altogether accurate judgement. Just another 2 coins in the ring!
By "fascist roleplayers", are you referring to the fact that people want you to roleplay on a roleplaying server? Would you crash a PnP rp session and then call them fascist when you don't follow their standards as well?
I already gave my character name ideas in the relevant thread for that, I don't do role playing names or characters, and I don't play online RPGs anymore.
If I can't enjoy and play my games however I want, and do whatever I want within them, then they are absolutely not RPGs.
From an RP perspective, what if I want to role play a chaotic evil character and make it my purpose to bring grief and misery to the rest of the games world? I can do that in BG by running around and killing every man and woman in sight while torturing their friends with the sights of absolute carnage and destruction. Can I kill everything in sight on a online server or be evil in the slightest way? Nope. Therefore its not BG.
You don't even have to be role playing chaotic evil, simply making a chaotic character and then having to follow the rules in an online server is the complete opposite end to roleplaying. Chaotic characters don't follow rules, they break them.
Sry, didnt read the whole thread. But from what Ive gathered through my google research this mod seems a dystopian pocket of existance, opressed by fascist roleplayers. And cow people.
Yes, I do realize this might not be an altogether accurate judgement. Just another 2 coins in the ring!
By "fascist roleplayers", are you referring to the fact that people want you to roleplay on a roleplaying server? Would you crash a PnP rp session and then call them fascist when you don't follow their standards as well?
Maybe I just wouldn't join in on that game and then I wouldn't have to play by its rules, how about that? Comparing such a strict and highly moderated online game to the complete freedom to play however you like in BG is an insult to BG and the superiority of single player RPGs in general.
The server that this thread is about isnt an 'excellent online baldurs gate game' at all, its merely a mediocre NWN server with immersion breaking rules and facist moderators running on the single worst 3D engine of all time pretending to be Baldurs Gate.
I already gave my character name ideas in the relevant thread for that, I don't do role playing names or characters, and I don't play online RPGs anymore.
If I can't enjoy and play my games however I want, and do whatever I want within them, then they are absolutely not RPGs.
From an RP perspective, what if I want to role play a chaotic evil character and make it my purpose to bring grief and misery to the rest of the games world? I can do that in BG by running around and killing every man and woman in sight while torturing their friends with the sights of absolute carnage and destruction. Can I kill everything in sight on a online server or be evil in the slightest way? Nope. Therefore its not BG.
You don't even have to be role playing chaotic evil, simply making a chaotic character and then having to follow the rules in an online server is the complete opposite end to roleplaying. Chaotic characters don't follow rules, they break them.
Yes you could play a chaotic evil character and attempt to slay all and sundry, however if you want to do this you have to accept that if you attempted to do this you would be squished flat pretty quickly by a do-gooder PC player or even an evil PC who is perhaps looking to curry favour with the fist or simply because you are making things difficult for his evil master plan.
There are plenty of evil PC, however chaotic stupid players don't last long and not because the DM's do anything about it. Players are far more enthusiastic about crushing evil.
It's not. I've played there plenty and RPed only a fraction of that time, and even then mostly on my terms.
Yes you can't be an asshole and if you are you'll soon be pulled up. However no-one will force you to RP if you don't want to. Feel free to log on and grind away by yourself. Just don't be a pest and the authorities won't bother you in the slightest.
Rofl, you two got banned in the past for being assholes and don't want to admit it or something..
All joking aside...
First off, no one is forcing you guys to play the game. We're merely explaining things that go along. Yes there are some great things, and yes there are things we don't like... But that comes with literally every game in existence. There is never going to be the perfect game, unless you love it like you do a god, blindly.
Here's the deal. I joined the world, just to *see* a 3d baldur's gate. I literally went just to check out Baldur's Gate, Candlekeep, FAI, Beregost, Nashkel... blah blah blah.. To tell the truth its worth it just to see the places, they are done *beautifully*.. I believe @yathrin mentioned the same thing a few pages back.
I have never in my life RP'd prior or even wished to. I just fell into the RP while traveling around, killed a few things on the way etc. Obviously I ended up liking it and having a blast in the world. I'm assuming you guys are getting your information from somewhere (I have no f'n clue. some links would be nice) but from the people here telling you exactly what is happening in the game from day to day, I don't quite understand.
And on being evil... That's all that I am.. Me and a few others have set up many traps on some back roads, waiting for a traveler to come by, see someone lying hurt in the road and attempt to help... Only to get ambushed by three mages asking for gold/trinkets. If they don't comply, we've killed two people now, one ran, one forked up some gold and we casted a mind wipe spell, and he was on his way. Every player has been ok with this and had a blast so far, save one, which he brought the IC to OOC which we just had him pass and ignored it.
The thing about running around a town killing everyone is that when you start out, you're going to get your ass kicked. There is no shadowkeeper to turn you into bhaal himself. There are other players who wont stand for that and kill you, some might even want to join you. Guards are no simple matter, either. And the NPC world actually runs more realistic. If you were to say run around slaying the town of Baldur's Gate, (which really isn't CE, it's just along the line of insane) If you weren't killed on the spot, you would be brought before the dukes (Belt,entar,eltan,jannath(sp?)) and have a court case in which they would decide jail time, death, or any sort of creative punishment depending on what you did.
End of the story, is... You only have to RP as much as you like, follow the *BASIC* rules and guidelines and you can have a great time. No one is ever a better RP'r or worse, people just do it differently. And yeah, don't make your character "Dickshit Boobies" we aren't 5 years old anymore.
But I can make a character named 'Dickshit' in baldurs gate and not get banned. I can mod and cheat in baldurs gate and not get banned. If I can't do any of those things in any other game without getting banned, then it absolutely isn't baldurs gate.
As I said before, comparing an online NWN mod to BG is an insult to BG.
I don't support any game where players can get banned for doing whatever they want within the game, and every MMORPG (many men online role playing girls or something like that) out there is complete garbage compared to single player RPGs anyway.
And I wonder if you've ever played BG with eldoth in your party, I hear he is a lot more offensive than a character named boobies would be. Even Jaheira swears several times.
The only offense is that you think the main thing about Baldur's Gate is the fact that you can name your character Dickshit and cheat. You're doing it wrong.
@Mungri Are you five years old or something? Do you really need to have this explained or are you just trolling for shits and giggles?
You can do whatever you like whenever you like in any single player game. As soon as you dip into ANY online MMORPG then there are rules you need to comply with - as there are other people playing there is a certain decorum which needs to be followed. And as you can PVP other players then cheating is out as well.
The server is a free server, you don't have to ever pay anything to play it once you've purchased the games (in which you can cheat as much as you like and name your character as many retarded names as possible). However if you choose to log onto the server you need to follow their rules. If you don't want to then don't log on. I fail to see the issue?
You think it's an insult to BG? Boohoo. Go and cry about it then.
I guess I just dont like the idea of having all of my ingame progress in the hands of a hardcore pro-rp fanatic. Sometimes you just want to chat casually without getting punched in the nuts because someone in charge is having a bad day. Small stuff like that. Or it might even be RPing on your part that is interpreted wrongly by a mod. And you cant argue with a mod. Its basically a world where you are stripped of your basic rights, freedom of speech. A sad oligarchic society that, if it existed IRL, would be shunned by the rest of the world; its own inhabitants being brainwashed and blissfully ignorant.
So Baldurs Gate in your opinion is about not being in 3D and having the ability to call yourself Dickshit and being able to cheat.
Very mature. I'm quite glad you'll never log in. In fact I may just kill any PC called Dickshit I come across just in case...
Dickshit is a real surname, and it wasn't my example, I was quoting it.
Though I've had a character in DDO called 'Stiffywood Mcpingaspants' for about a year now and everyone actually finds it funny. On the other hand I got temp banned with a forced rename in GW2 for the name D Is For Lysdexia and quit playing because it was my second main character for over 6 years of the first game.
I guess I just dont like the idea of having all of my ingame progress in the hands of a hardcore pro-rp fanatic. Sometimes you just want to chat casually without getting punched in the nuts because someone in charge is having a bad day. Small stuff like that. Or it might even be RPing on your part that is interpreted wrongly by a mod. And you cant argue with a mod. Its basically a world where you are stripped of your basic rights, freedom of speech. A sad oligarchic society that, if it existed IRL, would be shunned by the rest of the world; its own inhabitants being brainwashed and blissfully ignorant.
Totally agree with you.
I did hear some bad things about mods in the past, however the current crop seem to be good folk who are more than happy to let you do your own thing provided it doesn't spoil other players experience.
I've never had a bad experience with a mod and my own views on RP are very patchy. I'm an avid powerbuilder who will occasionally manage some low key RP. This can infuriate some RP hard-core players but the mods themselves tend not to be the slightest bit bothered.
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Yes, I do realize this might not be an altogether accurate judgement. Just another 2 coins in the ring!
As far as unfair DM's, I've seen no evidence of that. There appear to have been some bad people a few years ago but its not reasonable to base a current perspective on such old information. They're actually quite professional because you can make complaints without fear of being penalized.
Ofcourse there must be rules in any multiplayer game. People will get into conflicts and that needs to be resolved via rules.
The DM staff has been very helpfull so far, I asked them to do an event for my character's roleplayed background story and that was a lot of fun. They take requests really well so long as they have the time. I think this is part of the reason why this server has such a large player count. It reflects the quality of gameplay.
Any online game with mods is like that, you can get banned for the slightest things if a mod simply doesnt like you.
The demand is very high. They don't need to attract lots of new players.
They don't make money. It's not a paid subscription.
It isn't a professional company. They're fans performing a service for other fans.
They can afford to have high standards. Playing on their server is not a right. It is a privilege.
If you do not like their rules, you do not have to play. You have paid no money to them. If you donate for server upkeep, you must like what they are doing but it is not purchasing a subscription.
I'll go further than that. When you find a game you truely love, you take steps to protect and nourish it. I play in a weekly game. One player had SEVERE schedule issues. He wouldn't show up, he wouldn't return emails, he was never even online. Eventually the rest of the group decided we had to cut him loose. We are not looking for another player to fill the hole. We're searching for another player that will maintain the game as it is. We love the game, we want it to continue, but we don't want that ineffable quality that we love so dearly to be lost. So we're being extremely selective over whom we offer an invitation to.
I've never played this NWN2/Baldur's Gate hybrid. Just from what I've read about what they do, and the expense, I can tell they love their game. If there were issues before it sounds like they've been dealt with.
Play it. Don't play it. But don't complain if the rules are draconian in some regards. It is their right to deny service to people that break their rules, especially when it comes to maintaining the integrity of their game.
The DM rules all. His rules, (normally his house) ... If you don't like them, don't play. They are there to help *YOU* have a good time, not ruin everyones fun. The mod(DM) isn't going to just "not like you" you definitely need a reason for it... If you're over there playing D&D screaming obscenities and generally not playing the game, naming your character Dumbass Mcdickshit, yeah... No one is going to want you there.
@Mungri
@Dino - By "fascist roleplayers", are you referring to the fact that people want you to roleplay on a roleplaying server? Would you crash a PnP rp session and then call them fascist when you don't follow their standards as well?
If I can't enjoy and play my games however I want, and do whatever I want within them, then they are absolutely not RPGs.
From an RP perspective, what if I want to role play a chaotic evil character and make it my purpose to bring grief and misery to the rest of the games world? I can do that in BG by running around and killing every man and woman in sight while torturing their friends with the sights of absolute carnage and destruction. Can I kill everything in sight on a online server or be evil in the slightest way? Nope. Therefore its not BG.
You don't even have to be role playing chaotic evil, simply making a chaotic character and then having to follow the rules in an online server is the complete opposite end to roleplaying. Chaotic characters don't follow rules, they break them.
The server that this thread is about isnt an 'excellent online baldurs gate game' at all, its merely a mediocre NWN server with immersion breaking rules and facist moderators running on the single worst 3D engine of all time pretending to be Baldurs Gate.
There are plenty of evil PC, however chaotic stupid players don't last long and not because the DM's do anything about it. Players are far more enthusiastic about crushing evil.
I just think its worth mentioning considering the slighlty misleading thread title.
Me, I love the infinity games, but Im not at all into hardcore roleplaying.
Yes you can't be an asshole and if you are you'll soon be pulled up. However no-one will force you to RP if you don't want to. Feel free to log on and grind away by yourself. Just don't be a pest and the authorities won't bother you in the slightest.
All joking aside...
First off, no one is forcing you guys to play the game. We're merely explaining things that go along. Yes there are some great things, and yes there are things we don't like... But that comes with literally every game in existence. There is never going to be the perfect game, unless you love it like you do a god, blindly.
Here's the deal. I joined the world, just to *see* a 3d baldur's gate. I literally went just to check out Baldur's Gate, Candlekeep, FAI, Beregost, Nashkel... blah blah blah.. To tell the truth its worth it just to see the places, they are done *beautifully*.. I believe @yathrin mentioned the same thing a few pages back.
I have never in my life RP'd prior or even wished to. I just fell into the RP while traveling around, killed a few things on the way etc. Obviously I ended up liking it and having a blast in the world. I'm assuming you guys are getting your information from somewhere (I have no f'n clue. some links would be nice) but from the people here telling you exactly what is happening in the game from day to day, I don't quite understand.
And on being evil... That's all that I am.. Me and a few others have set up many traps on some back roads, waiting for a traveler to come by, see someone lying hurt in the road and attempt to help... Only to get ambushed by three mages asking for gold/trinkets. If they don't comply, we've killed two people now, one ran, one forked up some gold and we casted a mind wipe spell, and he was on his way. Every player has been ok with this and had a blast so far, save one, which he brought the IC to OOC which we just had him pass and ignored it.
The thing about running around a town killing everyone is that when you start out, you're going to get your ass kicked. There is no shadowkeeper to turn you into bhaal himself. There are other players who wont stand for that and kill you, some might even want to join you. Guards are no simple matter, either. And the NPC world actually runs more realistic. If you were to say run around slaying the town of Baldur's Gate, (which really isn't CE, it's just along the line of insane) If you weren't killed on the spot, you would be brought before the dukes (Belt,entar,eltan,jannath(sp?)) and have a court case in which they would decide jail time, death, or any sort of creative punishment depending on what you did.
End of the story, is... You only have to RP as much as you like, follow the *BASIC* rules and guidelines and you can have a great time. No one is ever a better RP'r or worse, people just do it differently. And yeah, don't make your character "Dickshit Boobies" we aren't 5 years old anymore.
As I said before, comparing an online NWN mod to BG is an insult to BG.
I don't support any game where players can get banned for doing whatever they want within the game, and every MMORPG (many men online role playing girls or something like that) out there is complete garbage compared to single player RPGs anyway.
And I wonder if you've ever played BG with eldoth in your party, I hear he is a lot more offensive than a character named boobies would be. Even Jaheira swears several times.
The only offense is that you think the main thing about Baldur's Gate is the fact that you can name your character Dickshit and cheat. You're doing it wrong.
@mungri
Are you five years old or something? Do you really need to have this explained or are you just trolling for shits and giggles?
You can do whatever you like whenever you like in any single player game. As soon as you dip into ANY online MMORPG then there are rules you need to comply with - as there are other people playing there is a certain decorum which needs to be followed. And as you can PVP other players then cheating is out as well.
The server is a free server, you don't have to ever pay anything to play it once you've purchased the games (in which you can cheat as much as you like and name your character as many retarded names as possible). However if you choose to log onto the server you need to follow their rules. If you don't want to then don't log on. I fail to see the issue?
You think it's an insult to BG? Boohoo. Go and cry about it then.
Firstly it uses the worst 3D engine ever made for video games IMHO, secondly its an online game with restrictions.
Very mature. I'm quite glad you'll never log in. In fact I may just kill any PC called Dickshit I come across just in case...
Or it might even be RPing on your part that is interpreted wrongly by a mod. And you cant argue with a mod. Its basically a world where you are stripped of your basic rights, freedom of speech. A sad oligarchic society that, if it existed IRL, would be shunned by the rest of the world; its own inhabitants being brainwashed and blissfully ignorant.
@dino
Though I've had a character in DDO called 'Stiffywood Mcpingaspants' for about a year now and everyone actually finds it funny. On the other hand I got temp banned with a forced rename in GW2 for the name D Is For Lysdexia and quit playing because it was my second main character for over 6 years of the first game.
I did hear some bad things about mods in the past, however the current crop seem to be good folk who are more than happy to let you do your own thing provided it doesn't spoil other players experience.
I've never had a bad experience with a mod and my own views on RP are very patchy. I'm an avid powerbuilder who will occasionally manage some low key RP. This can infuriate some RP hard-core players but the mods themselves tend not to be the slightest bit bothered.