What happens if you just ignore Jaheira/Minsc at the start?
Rei
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That is, if you don't interact with them at all, do they just magically show up at the Copper Coronet / Harper Hold?
If they do can you still romance Jaheira and/or does she still whine about Khalid?
Not sure how practical this knowledge is. I just always feel like an ass when I tell them to basically fuck off at the beginning when I don't want them in my party.
If they do can you still romance Jaheira and/or does she still whine about Khalid?
Not sure how practical this knowledge is. I just always feel like an ass when I tell them to basically fuck off at the beginning when I don't want them in my party.
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I like to keep Jaheira until I can snatch the Ring of Wizardry. Always entertaining to hear her whine about how she betrayed everything for you before getting the boot.
- If you're male, kill the romance immediately by booting her (she will go in front of Harper's Hold).
- Walk around Athkatla until you trigger the random encounter with the poisoned man.
- Finish Xzar's quest chain.
- Recruit Jaheira again (if you booted her) and Meronia should appear, making Jaheira leave the party for 7 hours.
- When she comes back, go to Harper's Hold and kill Galvarey and his goons. The battle might be a tad difficult if done immediately though, especially with SCS.
Eventually I just left for Spellhold with not much else left to do.
What happens, does she really die in front of you, if so I have got to try that someday.
I have never understood why the original writers made the "canon" party members so annoying.
I simply cannot keep any of them in party for a whole playthrough. I try, really I try, but every single time they say/do something that ensures that RP wise, it would impossible for me to spend time with any of them.
All these years, never even considered not lifting the curse. Just goes to show how conditioned I am to follow instruction.
Freeeeedom................
But the worst I ever did was to Saerileth
Sorry, I should have phrased that better, as in what else is in there that is important?
If Khalid was scripted to die at some point during BG1 maybe her BG2 romance would have been less uncomfortable. And I respect that her romance takes a long time to reach fruition because it's more of a friendship track that turns into a romance at the end. But I would rather have left her as a platonic option, keeping the majority of her romance content in the game as a friendship relationship.
I'd like to think that if BG2 had been made today, Aerie and Viconia would have been romances, and the resources for the next romance would have gone to Haer'Dalis or Valygar so that Anomen isn't the only female romance option.
One of the things I really like about the Dragon Age series is that companions have content that isn't locked by romance or personal quest. They also have friendship tracks and conversations. I don't think most companions were annoying. A bit one dimensional or exaggerated, sure, but they were miles better than vanilla BG1 companions. Yoshimo is surprisingly complex once we witness his entire character arc, and seeing his interactions with Charname and other companions in hindsight is enlightening. I also thought Keldorn was a good variation from stereotype in that he was good at being a paladin but still had major character flaws. Most of the time, if paladins aren't characterized as bland and perfect, they are more like Anomen in being self righteous and arrogant while forgetting the virtues of humility and protecting the weak.
I've already spoken on Jaheira's depth. Aerie and Viconia are similarly complex, but again most of that content is unfortunately romance gated. Anomen at least has some personal resolution regardless of if he's romanced or not, although some significant content of his is still romance gated.
For the others, Jan is funny the first time then quickly gets tired. I used to enjoy Nalia but now rarely even recruit her for the keep quest. I enjoy Valygar although it feels like a lot of his content was dropped to make deadlines. I love Haer'Dalis and his unique perspective on things, though again some of his content was dropped. Cernd is a bit dull and Mazzy doesn't interest me much, but I wouldn't call them annoying. Edwin and Korgan are amusing in a what the hell is wrong with you kind of way
Edit: God I don't know what went wrong with the post. How embarrassing.
So in this regard, that's why I see him as less of a stereotype. I am considering him as per his attitude toward being a paladin rather than his role as a paladin as it pertains to the rest of his life. And really, the way that paladins are generally perceived, I think most would run into issues balancing their home lives with their professional. The dogma of a paladin is to always be a champion of good and seek out evil; that really doesn't mesh well with having a family.
I think mostly of his banters with Anomen and Mazzy as demonstrating his overall humility and low key personality. He is a foil to Anomen's self righteous arrogance and does not believe himself better than others because of his strength. And he respects Mazzy as a fellow fighter on the side of good.
I know some people have issues with him fighting Viconia, but I don't agree that it's an issue of racism. He doesn't approve of recruiting Viconia, but he doesn't automatically fight her when she joins, and I believe he gives warning before he finally attacks her. I see that as him allowing her a chance to demonstrate her intentions in the party. And for the most part, she does live up to her NE alignment through her banters and her views on the world. As a paladin he can detect evil, so he is objectively seeing that she has an evil aura. I don't think he would attack a non-evil drow like Solaufein.
I would actually rather have seen him have issues with Korgan, as well. He should be able to detect the dwarf's evil alignment as well, but except for Aerie the game seems to handwave how nasty the dwarf is. Mazzy even has a quasi flirtation with him.