One on one fight w. Ashatiel

Rickenbacker

She is mighty tough to beat! Is it even worth trying (over & over again) or should I opt to take on her whole army?

Kurona

If your character isn't a mage, a duel against a Fighter/Mage/Cleric with more XP than the cap (yep, that's what she is) is pretty damn unfair so the group battle might be easier.

If you are a mage, then Wands of Paralyzation should work wonders on her.

Rickenbacker

Ok, gotcha. I mean, damn- I tried Everything. But I guess a 9th lvl fallen Ranger wouldn't stand a chance.

Kurona

Well, if you stocked plenty of potions, especially of Magic Protection/Magic Blocking during BG1 it could be possible to wait her buffs out then hack away. Perhaps Invisibility potions too, though according to the dialogue it might be forbidden in this fight. Haven't confirmed by myself.

Rickenbacker

I have plenty. I may give that a whirl...

DJKajuru

I beat her on my second try with a blade because my defensive spins would take my ac to -12 and she couldn't hit that much.

ThacoBell

I had a much harder time not accidentally breaking her rules than beating her.

onelasttry84

poisoned throwing dagger = Fighter/Mage/Cleric = easy fight

Francois

I only did one run, with an undead hunter paladin and she was a pushover. I was dual wielding the hammer +3 and Spellbreaker longsword. Also lot of equipment giving me good bonuses, like amulet of +2 THAC0, Ring of Purity (permanent Chant effect).

Aethernaut

Took me three goes to take her down.

My shadowdancer half-elf used darts of stunning.

koteko

I destroyed her with a Cavalier.

Abi_Dalzim

I've never had trouble with her, but I've only finished the game with fighter-types, so yeah.

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OlvynChuru

Using damaging wands like the Wand of the Heavens makes it easy.

batoor

Did we ever find out what happened to her brother? I can't recall any dialogue about it, nor did I find a journal or diary to expand on that particular bit.

But I'm just asking if I missed something here.

Rickenbacker

I ended up just taking on her army. My character just didn't have the right equipment/magic to do it one on one. Killed her in the end anyway since the army on my side softened her up for me.

ThacoBell

@batoor I think her brother is the mage the camp at boarskyr bridge that was looking for charname. If you kill the camp, he dies by your hand. If you surrender the fort, the barghest kills him when he tries to apprehend you. Either way, you are at least partially responsible for his death.

onelasttry84

subtledoctor said:

onelasttry84 said:

Not if you play with concentration checks to avoid spell disruption.

intriguing! how do you do that?

Fardragon

Rickenbacker said:

She is mighty tough to beat! Is it even worth trying (over & over again) or should I opt to take on her whole army?

Depends what sort of character you are playing. Playing a bard I stoneskinned then shot her up with crossbow of speed and Bolts of Lightning.

It's an optional fight though.

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DregothofTyr

I thought concentration checks were always a thing that has been around in BG? I know for a fact that mages could cast through damage, at least before the EE. Did they change it?

ThacoBell

DregothofTyr wrote: »

I thought concentration checks were always a thing that has been around in BG? I know for a fact that mages could cast through damage, at least before the EE. Did they change it?

That's because some AI mages cheat. They use scripts like "forcespell" or "reallyforcespell" that cannot be interruppted.

Raduziel

subtledoctor wrote: »

Not if you play with concentration checks to avoid spell disruption.
intriguing! how do you do that?


There's a setting for it - I think it's CONCENTR.2da? If that is right then you can edit it with Near Infinity to turn on concentration checks. Then casters can succeed in casting (sometimes) even when poisoned or taking other instances of relatively low amounts of damage. Fire arrows through Stoneskin, Flail of Ages, Insect Swarm - these are no longer guaranteed mage-disablers. Just "largely mage-disablers" instead. Adds a bit of spice to the game.

How did I never heard about it anywhere? That is marvelous.

Does anyone know what check is actually made?

@Bubb @kjeron @subtledoctor ?

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Raduziel

That's just fantastic! Will fit perfectly in a side project I intend to work on.

Thanks!

kjeron

That's the formula we were told, but it doesn't work as you'd expect.
For starters, Luck works AGAINST you, not for you.
-19 Luck guaranteed casting success.
+19 Luck failed every time vs. 0+ damage, 0+ power level.
0 Luck vs. 20+ damage, 0 power succeeded casting every time.
0 Luck vs. 1 damage, 0 power succeeded casting 25% (100 tests).
0 Luck vs. -20 damage, 0 power failed every cast.

Basically, the check is reversed, a lower roll/luck and/or higher damage increases your chance to avoid interruption.

(Tested with self-target spell (Armor) to avoid contesting with this)
This is for CHECK_MODE = 1. For CHECK_MODE = 2, Luck doesn't appear to be involved.

Bubb

As @kjeron has said, the check seems to be reversed by accident. Here's some pseudocode:

// CheckMode bit0 = Use Luck instead of Con
// CheckMode bit1 = Use 15 instead of Damage Taken

roll_modifier = nil

if CheckMode == 0 then
    // return 1 (Always disrupted)
elseif bit0 == 1 then
    roll_modifier = luck
else
    roll_modifier = math.floor(con / 2) - 5
end

roll = random_inclusive(0, 19) + roll_modifier
bound_modifier = nil

if bit1 == 1 then
    bound_modifier = 0xF
else
    bound_modifier = damage_taken
end

success_higher_bound = spell_level + bound_modifier

if roll > success_higher_bound then
    // return 1 (Disrupted)
else
    // return 0 (Not disrupted)
end

Raduziel

@Bubb Is that CON for Constitution?

Bubb

Raduziel wrote: »

@Bubb Is that CON for Constitution?

Yep.

Raduziel

Thanks!

Looks like shorty casters got even more OP!

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