Holy shite, I can't believe the wiki doesn't feature an article on the BG3: The Black Hound o_O Okay guys, what ever information you have on that, please throw it here so that I can fix that.
This is great work, as I only new about the (awful) novels, but not about the comic.
Although there is one mistake in your summary (as you put that much work in it, I wouldn't dare just changing it): In the summary, it is stated: "Ajantis calls her [Shar-Teel] out on being Eldoth's former partner which she confirms." - Actually, she denies it. The in-comic conversation goes: Ajantis: Shar-Teel! He [Eldoth] was about to say you... It [the former partner] was you! Shar-Teel: Watch your tongue, Paladin! You're talking nonsense!
Shar-Teel then gives Ajantis one sack of the dowry, but she is NOT blaming Ajantis for all that happened. She is blaming him for killing the group, though, because after his (wrong) accusations that she was the former partner of Eldoth, she says: "Believe what you will, but I'll not suffer this! Here! This was down the tunnel! Take the blasted coins and go! I want no part of you! Your righteousness did what Eldoth couldn't. Our group is truly dead!"
I did a massive update on the status effects. I went through the BG1 section thus far, but it's still very incomplete. I separated the negative and positive effects and arranged them in alphabetical order. Extended the negative effects (from my thread), added descriptions and pictures where neccesary and made some minor corrections.
My plan is to create a seperate article for every effect (like for the spells), because the table cannot contain too much information, it turns incomprehensible fast.
While i try to learn how to find the effects in Near Infinity, and decide if i should merge the BG1 and BG2 list, i browsed trough the wiki at random, and made some edit: -created some missing articles for rings and weapons -added North Forest area -uploaded some pictures -made some other minor edits.
I was regularly adding to the the Wiki, but then the douche bag Sysop Eric the Mad destroyed an enormous amount of work I added without and real apparent reason - so I refuse to spend any more time working on it since. I just maintain my own files and go for there. The best thing that could happen to the Wiki is that Eric permanently leave as I know several other people that he has driven away with his random deletions.
@WaterRabbit While it's sad to hear, you must remember that this site rules' don't permit flaming and insults to individuals.
If there's a problem with someone deleting content on the wiki, then this has to be addressed. Suggest possible ways of handling this situation, and the community will help. But please, don't go personal in your comments.
I'm not knowledgeable about such things but would it be possible to document all stat checks on the wiki? Like I know that if you have 18 Charisma then you get a +1 dagger during the Errand for Fuller quest.
I think SoD has some charisma checks in dialogue as well but I don't know how to go about testing this =/
@Vallmyr Just about all BG1 "Charisma" checks are actually Reaction checks, which are a combination of your Reputation and Charisma. In SoD, stat checks are made instead of Reaction checks.
The easiest way to find all of these is to open NearInfinity and run a Text Search in .DLG files (with "include trigger and action scripts" marked) for "ReactionGT" and "ReactionLT", plus "CheckStatGT" and "CheckStatLT" to find all of the Reaction and stat checks in dialogue. Documenting all of them would be a huge undertaking, just from taking a quick look.
Well, not all of them give a reward for higher or lower stats/Reaction like Fuller. Usually it just makes an NPC greet you differently, so documenting the ones that are actually beneficial in some way will be much more manageable.
I have this tendency to miss the forest for the trees until I think about something harder.
@WaterRabbit Never happened to me, I don't even know Eric before :-) Anyways vanilla staff is being constantly added/updated, but there's few SoD content on BGwikia yet, so any contributions would be appreciated, especially a walk-through. Don't know if the Gamebanshee SoD guide can be borrowed, will list its source and credit of course...
Don't know if the Gamebanshee SoD guide can be borrowed, will list its source and credit of course...
Better to send Gamebanshee an inquiry first. It’s owned and administered by Jon "Buck" Birnbaum. So the way to contact them is to mail to jon@gamebanshee.com.
Yeah @JuliusBorisov, I was looking for ways to contact GameBanshee just then but their site was unavailable at that time, thanks for the contact info, inquiry already sent :-)
The arcane spell list on playithardcore is now thoroughly complete from levels 1-9 and should be a comprehensive guide to magery from Candlekeep to the Throne of Bhaal. Every weird quirk and excruciating detail about each spell is now made plain. Thus ends a 6 month saga for me.
For example, did you know the "set everyone's strength to 18 in the whole area" wish from Wish actually only works within 30 feet of the caster? I didn't, but now I do.
Alright, Jaheira's quotes are voiced now, check to see how you like it, please tell me if I mess up the line order, it was so many of them... And as I said in comment of that page, I'd like to say here again: Thanks you @kjeron and @badungu for telling me how to find her in-game bio in SoD, much appreciated. Right now the infobox item template is down in visual mode and wikia staff are investigating the issue, so anyone planing to use that template please use the source instead.
@Flashburn That's awesome! I've always wanted to see a complete spell guide like that in wikia, would you check http://www.forgottenwars.com/oogi/mage_1.htm as well, see how else you could add to your guide? Another thing is where to put the guide? Because..1. There're already four spell lists. 2. You may want to put your guide to a place where more people can see. Maybe you should leave a message to 23dutch45man, talk with him about your guide.
@islandking I know I've been putting off answering this and I'm sorry. I'm replying here instead of in PMs since its something that I think everyone should know. The short answer is I don't want my work added to the Wikia. I want it to stay on PlayItHardcore. It's served as a grand resource of information for noobs and advanced players alike. The only reason I even started work on the spell lists was for my own reference, and if other people happened to read and like it, then good.
Here's the long version of why, and its a bit of a read since all the little details are what bind this story together. Get your favorite drink and please relax, and keep your weapons at your sides.
In March 2016 when PlayItHardcore died its final death so far, it was pretty well known as a source for Baldur's Gate class XP charts, progression tables, class advice, and all things crunchy and game mechanic...y. Tears were shed all around. I had the arcane spell list done up to Level 7 when it croaked. I was particularly distraught because I wasn't done yet and all the work I had just put in was gone.
PIH has gone down before but never for too long. With @soulmata's hosting troubles and subsequent disappearance, and @sandmanCCL's withdrawal from these forums, it looked like the final nail was hammered into the site's coffin. And with no other resource quite as in-depth as PIH, it seemed the only option left was to update the woefully inadequate Baldur's Gate Wikia. I didn't want to help with that because it seemed like trying to polish a turd, so poor was the wikia's quality, which is why @Buttercheese made this thread. So I sat on my hands, taking solace in the fact that I at least had archives saved of most of the relevant pages.
Fast forward to August 2016. @qwerty123456 (AKA Magus) casts Animate Dead on the site.@sandmanCCL's original writing and even @elminster's work on the Enhanced Edition classes section were still intact. I didn't notice PIH was back until November, but when I did, I was eager to finish what I started. All I had to do was reupload the images of the HLAs, add some of the missing HLAs, and then start the arcane spell list over again, minus sandman's original comments on the Level 1's (since that was all that was there before I started). So I worked on 1 spell circle per month because I prefer to get it all done in one sitting while I'm focused, analyzing each spell in meticulous detail just to make sure I didn't miss something the first time around. This takes about 4-6 hours per level.
Two months later and its January of this year. I'm working on levels 3 and 4. This thread gets made and I continue to ignore the Wikia. Then @JuliusBorisov offers promotes for editing it. Thinking this was a good way to spread the word that PIH is alive again, I make this comment since promotes automatically send a comment to the "Best Of" section where it should see the most visibility. It gets a promote and I'm all fuzzy inside because the best crunch-focused site for BG has been resurrected.
Which brings me to now. Calling it "honoring the history of a website and those who came before" sounds kind of cheesy, but that's what I'm doing. I've always had a fascination for internet history and a respect for anyone who creates a resource of information from a long time ago that's still relevant today, even if their creators have faded into the ether.
With the Arcane spell list thoroughly completed to my satisfaction, I've already started work on the Divine spell list which has remained blank since before I started using PlayItHardcore. https://pihwiki.bgforge.net/Baldur's_Gate:_Divine_Spells_List
To be honest, I never expected such a wall of texts from the PMs I sent to you, for whoever I sent requests to, the answer is always a yes or no. Most scenarios are they either run a commercial site that profits from visits to host Ads, which is fully understandable why their answer is no, or, BG fans who are glad to give me the permission even if I contact them some days later after my carry work, and the replies are like “Of course, take whatever you need!”. And yes, there’re few who care about their blog popularity more than helping others, but fortunately they are rare at best.
I also know that there were 2 BGwikias before, ThomasMalcum, builder of BG2wikia, prompted the merge into BGwikia, where there’re more contributors who’re dedicated to their work: people like Thomaslove92, its founder, people like 23dutch45man, who joined the site since 2012-10-13, 7,813 EDITS, even occasionally today, people who safe guard it from VSTF (spams trolls) since 2012-01… but this:
I didn't want to help with that because it seemed like trying to polish a turd
I know that PIHwiki has its own Archive page, and “It's kept only for historical purposes, and out of respect for people who created and contributed” as it’s said, so this is how you “respect for anyone who creates a resource of information from a long time ago that's still relevant today, even if their creators have faded into the ether”? Sounds like the only “respect” you had is for pihw contributors, that’s arrogant.
so poor was the wikia's quality, which is why @Buttercheese made this thread
I’m 200% certain that @Buttercheese is not showing off how “turd” BGwikia is, which is not, and how stupid its contributors are because they’re literally “polish(ing) a turd”, as you've said. Quite the contrary, Buttercheese made this thread to encourage more people to share their wisdom there, to improve wikia, which herself did, a lot of excellent work.
Plus, you may PM @JuliusBorisov anytime to ask him why he pinned this thread and why he promoted people who made differences to BGwikia. I’m quite certain that the answer isn’t what you expect.
But enough of the history lessons, which are entirely irrelevant to the topic.
I get it you find BGwikia not as in-depth as PIHwiki, just like I find PIHwiki lack of fundamental basics for inexperienced players. However, I view such differences completely differently: I don’t see other wiki as rivals, and I certainly won’t attack its contributors, even for their aggressive attitude. I, however, consider both BGforge and BGwikia are fan made, strong in its own areas, but share an inseparateable bond – the love for Baldur’s Gate game! Instead of barring doors, distancing from each others, we should work together to build a comprehensiveness site for all BG fans, new comers AND veterans. BGwikia already covers fan stuffs, system basics plus numerous data, all it needs are gameplay insights from experienced players, something you can provide. Please do get me correctly at this point, I’m not asking you to contribute on “my” site, or the site of my favorite, which is not, I’m merely asking your permissions, just say the word so that more people can benefit from it rather than letting it sit on the site of your favorite, and I’ll do all the editings, crediting your name, your links, highlighting thanks to PIHwiki, and I’ll do the subsequent maintenance work, for fans, not for my own.
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Okay guys, what ever information you have on that, please throw it here so that I can fix that.
I imagine that would go under a trivia section.
Get the joke? alright i'm out...
- A listing of all portraits used in game plus explanations on how to use custom portraits.
- A list of all NPC portrait file names for people who like to replace said portraits.
Also, some punk fricked around with the companion page and added some false information to it, went in and fixed that >:V
Next I am gonna go through the different companion pages and update/ rearrange them step by step.
This is gonna take a while
for BGEE
for BG2EE
Although there is one mistake in your summary (as you put that much work in it, I wouldn't dare just changing it): In the summary, it is stated: "Ajantis calls her [Shar-Teel] out on being Eldoth's former partner which she confirms." - Actually, she denies it.
The in-comic conversation goes:
Ajantis: Shar-Teel! He [Eldoth] was about to say you... It [the former partner] was you!
Shar-Teel: Watch your tongue, Paladin! You're talking nonsense!
Shar-Teel then gives Ajantis one sack of the dowry, but she is NOT blaming Ajantis for all that happened. She is blaming him for killing the group, though, because after his (wrong) accusations that she was the former partner of Eldoth, she says: "Believe what you will, but I'll not suffer this! Here! This was down the tunnel! Take the blasted coins and go! I want no part of you! Your righteousness did what Eldoth couldn't. Our group is truly dead!"
Glad to see I am actually helpful.
My plan is to create a seperate article for every effect (like for the spells), because the table cannot contain too much information, it turns incomprehensible fast.
-created some missing articles for rings and weapons
-added North Forest area
-uploaded some pictures
-made some other minor edits.
And i can collect badges there too!
He runs the wiki as his personal fife.
If there's a problem with someone deleting content on the wiki, then this has to be addressed. Suggest possible ways of handling this situation, and the community will help. But please, don't go personal in your comments.
I think SoD has some charisma checks in dialogue as well but I don't know how to go about testing this =/
Just about all BG1 "Charisma" checks are actually Reaction checks, which are a combination of your Reputation and Charisma. In SoD, stat checks are made instead of Reaction checks.
The easiest way to find all of these is to open NearInfinity and run a Text Search in .DLG files (with "include trigger and action scripts" marked) for "ReactionGT" and "ReactionLT", plus "CheckStatGT" and "CheckStatLT" to find all of the Reaction and stat checks in dialogue. Documenting all of them would be a huge undertaking, just from taking a quick look.
I have this tendency to miss the forest for the trees until I think about something harder.
Anyways vanilla staff is being constantly added/updated, but there's few SoD content on BGwikia yet, so any contributions would be appreciated, especially a walk-through.
Don't know if the Gamebanshee SoD guide can be borrowed, will list its source and credit of course...
http://baldursgate.wikia.com/wiki/Dynaheir#Baldur.27s_Gate:_Siege_of_Dragonspear
but for a large & detailed walkthrough? my humble "english" just won't work.
For example, did you know the "set everyone's strength to 18 in the whole area" wish from Wish actually only works within 30 feet of the caster? I didn't, but now I do.
https://pihwiki.bgforge.net/Baldur's_Gate:_Arcane_Spells_List
And as I said in comment of that page, I'd like to say here again: Thanks you @kjeron and @badungu for telling me how to find her in-game bio in SoD, much appreciated.
Right now the infobox item template is down in visual mode and wikia staff are investigating the issue, so anyone planing to use that template please use the source instead.
That's awesome! I've always wanted to see a complete spell guide like that in wikia, would you check
http://www.forgottenwars.com/oogi/mage_1.htm
as well, see how else you could add to your guide?
Another thing is where to put the guide? Because..1. There're already four spell lists. 2. You may want to put your guide to a place where more people can see. Maybe you should leave a message to 23dutch45man, talk with him about your guide.
I know I've been putting off answering this and I'm sorry. I'm replying here instead of in PMs since its something that I think everyone should know. The short answer is I don't want my work added to the Wikia. I want it to stay on PlayItHardcore. It's served as a grand resource of information for noobs and advanced players alike. The only reason I even started work on the spell lists was for my own reference, and if other people happened to read and like it, then good.
Here's the long version of why, and its a bit of a read since all the little details are what bind this story together. Get your favorite drink and please relax, and keep your weapons at your sides.
In March 2016 when PlayItHardcore died its final death so far, it was pretty well known as a source for Baldur's Gate class XP charts, progression tables, class advice, and all things crunchy and game mechanic...y. Tears were shed all around. I had the arcane spell list done up to Level 7 when it croaked. I was particularly distraught because I wasn't done yet and all the work I had just put in was gone.
PIH has gone down before but never for too long. With @soulmata's hosting troubles and subsequent disappearance, and @sandmanCCL's withdrawal from these forums, it looked like the final nail was hammered into the site's coffin. And with no other resource quite as in-depth as PIH, it seemed the only option left was to update the woefully inadequate Baldur's Gate Wikia. I didn't want to help with that because it seemed like trying to polish a turd, so poor was the wikia's quality, which is why @Buttercheese made this thread. So I sat on my hands, taking solace in the fact that I at least had archives saved of most of the relevant pages.
Fast forward to August 2016. @qwerty123456 (AKA Magus) casts Animate Dead on the site. @sandmanCCL's original writing and even @elminster's work on the Enhanced Edition classes section were still intact. I didn't notice PIH was back until November, but when I did, I was eager to finish what I started. All I had to do was reupload the images of the HLAs, add some of the missing HLAs, and then start the arcane spell list over again, minus sandman's original comments on the Level 1's (since that was all that was there before I started). So I worked on 1 spell circle per month because I prefer to get it all done in one sitting while I'm focused, analyzing each spell in meticulous detail just to make sure I didn't miss something the first time around. This takes about 4-6 hours per level.
Two months later and its January of this year. I'm working on levels 3 and 4. This thread gets made and I continue to ignore the Wikia. Then @JuliusBorisov offers promotes for editing it. Thinking this was a good way to spread the word that PIH is alive again, I make this comment since promotes automatically send a comment to the "Best Of" section where it should see the most visibility. It gets a promote and I'm all fuzzy inside because the best crunch-focused site for BG has been resurrected.
Which brings me to now. Calling it "honoring the history of a website and those who came before" sounds kind of cheesy, but that's what I'm doing. I've always had a fascination for internet history and a respect for anyone who creates a resource of information from a long time ago that's still relevant today, even if their creators have faded into the ether.
With the Arcane spell list thoroughly completed to my satisfaction, I've already started work on the Divine spell list which has remained blank since before I started using PlayItHardcore.
https://pihwiki.bgforge.net/Baldur's_Gate:_Divine_Spells_List
I also know that there were 2 BGwikias before, ThomasMalcum, builder of BG2wikia, prompted the merge into BGwikia, where there’re more contributors who’re dedicated to their work: people like Thomaslove92, its founder, people like 23dutch45man, who joined the site since 2012-10-13, 7,813 EDITS, even occasionally today, people who safe guard it from VSTF (spams trolls) since 2012-01… but this: I know that PIHwiki has its own Archive page, and “It's kept only for historical purposes, and out of respect for people who created and contributed” as it’s said, so this is how you “respect for anyone who creates a resource of information from a long time ago that's still relevant today, even if their creators have faded into the ether”? Sounds like the only “respect” you had is for pihw contributors, that’s arrogant.
And this: I’m 200% certain that @Buttercheese is not showing off how “turd” BGwikia is, which is not, and how stupid its contributors are because they’re literally “polish(ing) a turd”, as you've said. Quite the contrary, Buttercheese made this thread to encourage more people to share their wisdom there, to improve wikia, which herself did, a lot of excellent work.
Plus, you may PM @JuliusBorisov anytime to ask him why he pinned this thread and why he promoted people who made differences to BGwikia. I’m quite certain that the answer isn’t what you expect.
But enough of the history lessons, which are entirely irrelevant to the topic.
I get it you find BGwikia not as in-depth as PIHwiki, just like I find PIHwiki lack of fundamental basics for inexperienced players. However, I view such differences completely differently: I don’t see other wiki as rivals, and I certainly won’t attack its contributors, even for their aggressive attitude. I, however, consider both BGforge and BGwikia are fan made, strong in its own areas, but share an inseparateable bond – the love for Baldur’s Gate game! Instead of barring doors, distancing from each others, we should work together to build a comprehensiveness site for all BG fans, new comers AND veterans. BGwikia already covers fan stuffs, system basics plus numerous data, all it needs are gameplay insights from experienced players, something you can provide. Please do get me correctly at this point, I’m not asking you to contribute on “my” site, or the site of my favorite, which is not, I’m merely asking your permissions, just say the word so that more people can benefit from it rather than letting it sit on the site of your favorite, and I’ll do all the editings, crediting your name, your links, highlighting thanks to PIHwiki, and I’ll do the subsequent maintenance work, for fans, not for my own.