Hilarious video on Siege of Dragonspear, had to share!
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Loved this video. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Siege, but this guy nails Beamdog to the wall on some of the things they got wrong. Thought you might enjoy checking it out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzZIAukqkGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzZIAukqkGE 1
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Yes, there were always some people who disliked some of the characters (or other aspects) in the original games ... but those are generally unlikely to be the people who are still interested in the games 20 years later. No-one keeps on playing a game which they don't like, that'd be daft! Instead, they'll have moved on long ago to something they liked better.
Therefore you're missing a key point when you say ... ... because the group we're discussing are those who were playing 20 years ago and liked it so much that they're still playing. "Still playing" is a significant common factor in addition to age, and gives us more insight into their preferences.
Thus, when considering the old-time players who are still playing BG and thereby among potential customers for SoD, it's a pretty solid assumption that a large majority of them are going to be people who liked the original games very much, specifically including liking the established personalities of the various NPCs. (There'll be individual variations, of course, and many of this cohort might have some NPC or another whom they don't like, but I'll bet that there's a big majority of the cohort in favour of retaining the personality of each NPC, even if the composition of that majority changes from case to case, because people who dislike lots of the NPCs won't be the people who stuck with BG.)
On the other hand, even though I consider it logically acceptable for the reviewer and his defenders to assert that most old-time players are likely to be upset by personality changes to established characters, where I think the claim to speak for others is distinctly weaker is when he makes assumptions about what new content and new characters we old-timers may or may not like. The fact that we have in common a set of things which we like doesn't logically prove very much about what other things we may or may not like (save where that might be very directly contradictory to the things we are known to like).
By the way, here's my review if you're interested in reading, I thought it was a good one. There are spoilers! https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/54361/final-impressions-of-siege-of-dragonspear-spoilers#latest
I should have stopped at 1:22 when he called Beamdog retards. That isn't hilarious, as the OP states, but childish and counter productive when attempting to debate your points.
Granted I did find her obnoxious in SoD as well, but i didn't feel they ruined her character. Well with Safana, Khalid and Dynaheir and most of the npcs from bg1, aren't all that in-depth in the first place, so criticizing personality changes there..Hmm well I don't think they radically messed up any of those characters imo.
It was boring more than anything.
"Here, let me jump on the bandwagon and tell you about the same things I heard, without any originality or effort put to it."
His way of speaking was also kind of annoying, to be honest. Though it might have been his accent. *Shrug*
Hmm, I can't help thinking the style of my above comment reminds me of something ...
And no, they are not 'retards'. They are designers, programmers, professional writers, and BG fans. Doesn't sound like they are 'retards' to me.
So please, if you want to discuss SoD now, after months from it's release, the way to do it should be a constructive talk.