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  • TStaelTStael Member Posts: 861



    This all started with the all-female casting of the Ghostbuster's reboot. There is a portion of the internet that is actively searching for anything they can conceivably spin as politically correct, and then use it to explain why the world is going to hell in a handbasket. But beyond that, the most crazy thing is they are using a franchise that has space wizards to make that point.

    Beyond that, I'm also seeing alot of people upset about how Luke is portrayed in the film, and (without giving anything away) the fact that they think it's ridiculous that he would have one moment of weakness that led to the way things were. Where this idea that Luke had infallible judgement came from I have no idea. Luke's bad judgement is the centerpiece of the second half of "The Empire Strikes Back".

    All-female reboot you say? I frankly ask this because I have not seen it, but was there ever a hyper-sexualised incubus demon?

    If not, the "all-female" reboot fell sort of short, not taking mind of S. Weaver's role, and genderbending it accordingly.


    As to Star Wars, I am mostly sad that those old guard actors have had so little work they would most likely do anything the scrip said. Luke being foolhardy being a consistent factor across movie financing eras at least!
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited December 2017
    Balrog99 said:

    Balrog99 said:

    Apparently the Last Jedi was the victim of a review bombing scheme. Some people thought the movie was too influenced by liberal ideology (because it negatively portrayed casinos and weapon companies?) and decided to post a bunch of bad reviews to drag the movie down. The reviews are much higher on websites where you have to have seen the movie in order to write a review of it.

    I just watched the movie with my ultraconservative dad and neither of us saw anything remotely political about it. Some people are just too touchy I guess. I thought it was a great movie myself. Other than having to suspend my disbelief in parts I thought it was a worthy addition to the Star Wars anthology...
    Balrog99 said:

    Apparently the Last Jedi was the victim of a review bombing scheme. Some people thought the movie was too influenced by liberal ideology (because it negatively portrayed casinos and weapon companies?) and decided to post a bunch of bad reviews to drag the movie down. The reviews are much higher on websites where you have to have seen the movie in order to write a review of it.

    I just watched the movie with my ultraconservative dad and neither of us saw anything remotely political about it. Some people are just too touchy I guess. I thought it was a great movie myself. Other than having to suspend my disbelief in parts I thought it was a worthy addition to the Star Wars anthology...
    Beyond that, I'm also seeing alot of people upset about how Luke is portrayed in the film, and (without giving anything away) the fact that they think it's ridiculous that he would have one moment of weakness that led to the way things were. Where this idea that Luke had infallible judgement came from I have no idea. Luke's bad judgement is the centerpiece of the second half of "The Empire Strikes Back".
    Not only that, Obi-wan displayed almost the exact same bad judgement with Aniken. To me that was a well written bit of irony. Most of the Jedi had flaws (including Yoda). That's what makes Star Wars interesting imho.

    Incidentally I had no problem with the all female cast of the new Ghostbusters but I thought it was a movie that didn't need to be made. It paled in comparison to the original. The original is a classic that I don't believe is dated at all. My 10 year old daughter liked both movies though.

    The remake of The Thing was weirder to me with the female lead because there were no female characters whatsoever in the 1982 film, the 1950's film or the book. She looked very out of place to me in that context. I still enjoyed it but it was a tad annoying...
    I don't know why people can't just admit most reboots are BAD instead of trying to apply a motive to them. I'd apply the same standard to "The Karate Kid" and "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre". The news ones are just junk. Or the shot for shot remake of "Psycho" with Vince Vaughn and Anne Heche. Whose bright idea was that one?? "It" is really the only recent check in the positive column for a remake being better, and that barely counts, since the original was an ABC mini-series made on a severely limited budget. Most of the good remakes were done in the 80s and were significant improvements on ones made in the 50s ("The Fly" and "The Thing" and "Scarface" come to mind). But then you have stuff like "The Manchurian Candidate", "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory", and "King Kong", all of which I also found insufferable compared to the original movies.

    Luke's thought process (again, without spoiling anything) is probably along the lines of "half the time we train powerful potential Jedi, they end up turning into Force-using Hitlers, maybe we shouldn't do it anymore."
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  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,511
    edited December 2017
    Luke spells out the subtext that permiates the prequels and TCW - the jedi order was seriously flawed.

    But TLJ is an awesome movie, with elements that go back as far as Beowulf, and I think that is why the Alt-Right right is afraid of it's power to influence young people.

    But I agree, reboots are bad, irrespective of the gender of the characters. Murder on the Orient Express was another one. They got it right in 1974, a remake could only be worse.
  • unavailableunavailable Member Posts: 268

    Apparently the Last Jedi was the victim of a review bombing scheme. Some people thought the movie was too influenced by liberal ideology (because it negatively portrayed casinos and weapon companies?) and decided to post a bunch of bad reviews to drag the movie down. The reviews are much higher on websites where you have to have seen the movie in order to write a review of it.

    what websites?
  • AstroBryGuyAstroBryGuy Member Posts: 3,437

    Apparently the Last Jedi was the victim of a review bombing scheme. Some people thought the movie was too influenced by liberal ideology (because it negatively portrayed casinos and weapon companies?) and decided to post a bunch of bad reviews to drag the movie down. The reviews are much higher on websites where you have to have seen the movie in order to write a review of it.

    what websites?
    CinemaScore does audience surveys after viewing the movie. The Last Jedi got an “A” in their survey.

    https://m.cinemascore.com/index/recent/
  • unavailableunavailable Member Posts: 268

    Apparently the Last Jedi was the victim of a review bombing scheme. Some people thought the movie was too influenced by liberal ideology (because it negatively portrayed casinos and weapon companies?) and decided to post a bunch of bad reviews to drag the movie down. The reviews are much higher on websites where you have to have seen the movie in order to write a review of it.

    what websites?
    CinemaScore does audience surveys after viewing the movie. The Last Jedi got an “A” in their survey.

    https://m.cinemascore.com/index/recent/
    It deserves an A. Only thing about it that bothered me was a main character getting within point blank range of a walker army and someone not getting shot or arrested while walking back to base with no cover or defense at all.

    I can make similar complaints about most movies, so its still an A.
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  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,511
    There are selection effects wether or not the person doing the rating has seen the movie or not. After all, unless you are being paid, why take the time to rate a movie at all? You would only do so if a) you thought it was wnderful, b) you thought it was aweful, c) you have a political axe to grind or d) you are an egotistical busybody.

    But the real problem with audience ratings is the utter stupidity of the majority of humans. After all these are the people who pay to watch 2 hours of cgi robots fighting each other.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    Fardragon said:

    There are selection effects wether or not the person doing the rating has seen the movie or not. After all, unless you are being paid, why take the time to rate a movie at all? You would only do so if a) you thought it was wnderful, b) you thought it was aweful, c) you have a political axe to grind or d) you are an egotistical busybody.

    But the real problem with audience ratings is the utter stupidity of the majority of humans. After all these are the people who pay to watch 2 hours of cgi robots fighting each other.

    The Transformers movies are probably THE best example of this. Just metal-clanking for 2 hours in a row. Then take into account that a superior version of such subject matter (Pacific Rim) made far less than even the 5th Transformers movie.
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