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Dorn is a fricking HOSS (Possible Spoiler)

HaHaCharadeHaHaCharade Member Posts: 1,644
edited November 2012 in Archive (General Discussion)
Just saying according to the screenshot in the Pre-load screen... wow! Sit down Minsc! I think he'll be getting my Constitution tome this game.

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  • LadyEibhilinRhettLadyEibhilinRhett Member Posts: 1,078
    edited November 2012
    Daaaaaaamn.
    ...If I ever actually play an evil charname, I am saving a spot for him.

    ...Hell, I may save a spot for him if I'm playing a NEUTRAL charname.
  • ajwzajwz Member Posts: 4,122
    I think he'll get my strength tome too if Im perfectly honest.
  • LadyEibhilinRhettLadyEibhilinRhett Member Posts: 1,078
    @ajwz @HaHaCharade

    What is this about giving him the tomes?
    Is doing that with tomes a normal thing? Giving them to people who already have high stats?

    ...I always give my tomes to people with lower corresponding stats to compensate for their weaknesses.
  • LadyEibhilinRhettLadyEibhilinRhett Member Posts: 1,078
    Oh. Okay. I was actually kind of worried I was doing it wrong or something.
  • IchigoRXCIchigoRXC Member Posts: 1,001
    Tomes are only good on weaker characters if you don't have stat improving equipment. Like there is no point raising someone strength from 13 if you can just equip them with super strong gauntlets :D
  • HaHaCharadeHaHaCharade Member Posts: 1,644
    edited November 2012
    LadyEibhilinRhett said:

    @ajwz @HaHaCharade

    What is this about giving him the tomes?
    Is doing that with tomes a normal thing? Giving them to people who already have high stats?

    ...I always give my tomes to people with lower corresponding stats to compensate for their weaknesses.

    I tend to go for a total party package. So I'll give the Con tome to him so he gets an HP boost. Strength will go to my main.
  • CaptRoryCaptRory Member Posts: 1,660
    I'll only give them to characters that appear in both games. And I'll edit their stats to reflect it if necessary.
  • MortiannaMortianna Member Posts: 1,356
    LadyEibhilinRhett said:

    @ajwz @HaHaCharade

    What is this about giving him the tomes?
    Is doing that with tomes a normal thing? Giving them to people who already have high stats?

    ...I always give my tomes to people with lower corresponding stats to compensate for their weaknesses.

    How do you determine who gets them in your games? Does the one with the lowest score (in comparison to the others) get the tome?

    I give several to my PC (always INT, WIS, and CHA), but I usually give Viconia a WIS tome or two, Monty the DEX tome, and sometimes the CON tome to Kagain, making him into a super-tank. Since Dorn is one point away from a +1 bonus to his HP, I'll be giving him the CON tome.

    It's hard not to meta-game my stats during character creation, knowing that the tomes exist.
  • reedmilfamreedmilfam Member Posts: 2,808
    Since the tomes don't carry over into BG2, I never give them to party members. :-\ Maybe I'm evil.
  • MungriMungri Member Posts: 1,645
    19 str, 10 dex, 16 con is what he should have, this is just crazy OP for a BG1 npc.
  • styggastygga Member Posts: 467
    @mungri dex that low you'd just automatically give him the gauntlets of dexterity raising it to 18. At least with 14 dex you won't feel OBLIGATED to give him those assuming someone else you have could use them, keeping him somewhat weaker. At least that's my perspective.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    Well assuming you never have to fight him, which I suppose you may, how powerful Dorn is or isn't really doesn't matter since you don't have to pick him.
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    He's definitely going to be on my (evil) team, hope he can be picked-up reasonably early
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    Quartz said:

    @LadyEibhilinRhett For me, I just think about "who needs it most." For instance, recently I had a Dexterity tome ... I had several candidates who yes, could reach a 19, including my PC. However, I had Montaron in my party, and I was running out of levels to dump stats on Open Locks and Find Traps. So I gave him the tome, putting him up to 18 so that he could 1. have a better AC, 2. have a better ranged THAC0, and 3. most importantly beef his thieving skills.

    Another great example is me frequently giving Kivan my Strength tome. If I have a PC who has an 18/85 strength or some such, I will actually elect to give Kivan my Strength tome. For my character it would put me from a +2 THAC0 +4 Damage to +3 THAC0 +7 Damage, sure, that would be cool ... but for Kivan we're talking about going from +1 THAC0 +3 Damage to +3 THAC0 +7 Damage. That's a really big boost.

    So I dunno. I would just say: Use tomes on whoever you feel needs them the most. That said, I wouldn't advise, say, giving a Strength tome to Imoen ... that's just a complete waste.

    And to the people who only give Tomes to PCs: Suck it. Haha, I kid of course, I understand why you do it, but it's pretty lame. :)

    Mungri said:

    19 str, 10 dex, 16 con is what he should have, this is just crazy OP for a BG1 npc.

    That would make him even stronger, people would just elect to give him the Dexterity Gauntlets every single game. Don't act like it isn't true. Then he'd be just plain ridiculous.
    I give all my tomes to my PC, and my mages with 4 charisma have totally benefited from that decision :)
  • MungriMungri Member Posts: 1,645
    But if you put the gauntlets of dexterity on him, you can't use them on anyone else, nor use weapon specialization gauntlets instead, so its fine.
  • LemernisLemernis Member, Moderator Posts: 4,318
    edited November 2012
    He's definitely a beast. I think if any of his stats were higher he'd be overpowered for sure. As it stands he's on the brink of that, imvho.

    Given that he's a tank, I'm not that worried about Dorn's 14 Con and consequent HP total. With his 16 Dex and generously equipped with AC lowering items my hope is that he won't actually get hit all that much. I think he'll be chopping most opponents in half before they're able to draw much blood.

    Dorn is absolutely, positively in my first game, within a mixed alignment party along with the other two new NPCs. It'll be interesting to see how Rasaad fares alongside Dorn. I hope Viconia isn't constantly going to have to be healing Rasaad in the midst of battle. But then again, Rasaad too should have high Dex (he's a Monk after all, and relies on that ability). So maybe/hopefully he'll be hardest of all for enemies to hit.

    Anyway, Dorn is going to be the new badass on the block for sure. Put him, Korgan (Oops!) Kagain, and a warrior class PC on the frontline and it's clobberin' time.
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  • SchneidendSchneidend Member Posts: 3,190
    I think my Human Blackguard is going to get a little jealous of Dorn's 19 Strength. Maybe I'll roll until I get a better Con to compensate.
  • IchigoRXCIchigoRXC Member Posts: 1,001
    Dorn is strong, but no stronger than any PC I have rolled. Also, stat totals are not all that matter. If I remember correctly Edwin is by far one of the best NPCs with one of the lowest combined stats. Dorn is juuuust right for me.
  • PantalionPantalion Member Posts: 2,137
    LadyEibhilinRhett said:

    @ajwz @HaHaCharade

    What is this about giving him the tomes?
    Is doing that with tomes a normal thing? Giving them to people who already have high stats?

    ...I always give my tomes to people with lower corresponding stats to compensate for their weaknesses.

    Yes, specialisation rewards more in all editions of D&D than generalisation, BG's engine is no exception; better to boost that character's con to 19, then 20 than to boost two other characters from 9 - 10.

    It's not actually worthwhile to give him the Strength tome, however, it's a difference of 1 damage per hit. Planning that along with the extra +1 from Baldur's Gate 2 however, and it's a +4 THAC0, so it becomes worth the investment again.

    Given his Con is fairly low for a frontline meleer, the lack of an HP bonus is rather damning, so I wouldn't say this was high.
  • lDanielHolmlDanielHolm Member Posts: 225
    IchigoRXC said:

    Dorn is strong, but no stronger than any PC I have rolled. Also, stat totals are not all that matter. If I remember correctly Edwin is by far one of the best NPCs with one of the lowest combined stats. Dorn is juuuust right for me.

    Stat totals matter. It's just that different classes need different stats, and they rely on those stats they need differently as well. Mages only really need Int, and in a pinch, Int can slide -- mage spells are by far the best in the game. On the other hand, a warrior-class without at least high Str and middle-to-high Con is a really poor warrior, and a decent Dex score won't hurt either.

    Funnily enough, that makes Dorn an excellent warrior. Of course, thanks to the stat-increasing items (Gauntlets of Ogre Power, Gauntlets of Dexterity, the various Belts of Giant Strength, Crom Fayer...), you can get away with less.
  • MornmagorMornmagor Member Posts: 1,160
    Quartz said:



    And to the people who only give Tomes to PCs: Suck it. Haha, I kid of course, I understand why you do it, but it's pretty lame. :)

    Being lame is my game, AND I WANT IT ALL! 0:]

    Ho ho ho, suck it NPCs :P
  • bigdogchrisbigdogchris Member Posts: 1,336
    edited November 2012
    Since Dorn is a Paladin kt, I can't imagine he is allowed to cast spells. It doesn't specifically say 'cannot cast priest spells' though.
  • HaHaCharadeHaHaCharade Member Posts: 1,644
    Edited my post and actually added in his pic from the Beamdog pre-load
  • TomeTome Member Posts: 466
    edited November 2012
    Dorn is indeed a Hoss. :P

    That said, his stats do look pretty brutal-I hope Neera and Rasaad are at the same level-Dorn already has a custom sword and a kit practically designed for him, the other two deserve something special too! (maybe Neera could get bonus spells so she can match Edwin?)
  • The_New_RomanceThe_New_Romance Member Posts: 839
    I hope the other NPCs aren't as on-the-brink-of-OP as this one. Wouldn't be fun. I think Dorn's stats could have been a little more civilized.
  • PantalionPantalion Member Posts: 2,137
    edited November 2012
    OP? How could Dorn be OP? He doesn't even meet the stat minimums required to be a Paladin.

    Primary Attribute(s): Strength (12), Constitution (9), Wisdom (13), Charisma (17)

    Poor Dorn is a full point lower than he should be, he should have a 91 stat total.

    Edit: Just noticed, looks like *somebody* killed Jaheira in that pic, but not Khallid. Finding out why is going to be the new major mystery of the upcoming game.
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