Can you dual class kits or just vanilla classes?
enhancedgamerx
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Can you dual class kits or just vanilla classes?
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Edit: With 'Vanilla' I mean BG EE unmodded and not original BG, this is posted in the BG:EE forum so I thought it was obvious I was talking about BG EE. Apparently it was not.
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/66521/enable-dual-classing-into-kits-now-with-proficiency-fix
@enhancedgamerx There are a few kits that don't permit you to dualclass, Wild Mage and Barbarian.
i'd argue that it's "legal" (in terms of cheating or not) and generally supported, but disabled in the GUI (because of slight problems which are addressed in kjeron's mod)
There's nothing I can really do about the backstab multiplier without overhauling it - the .2da file is hardcoded to only affect certain classes and kits. The only work-around would be to strip out the 2da file entries and apply all backstab bonuses in the same manner as the Assassin's 6x/7x multiplier.
The issue occurs if you dual from a generalist mage into a kitted (cleric,fighter,thief) - they receive bonus spell slots as if they were a specialist. The engine does this, with or without the mod, and I could not find a reliable method in-game to get around this, though it can be manually fixed by editing the save.
The above mentioned issue with backstab multiplier - a second class thief kit will always use the multiplier of a default thief, with an exception for the assassin, since his 6x/7x is implemented differently from the rest.
As for specialists-only, you can either manually restrain yourself, or try editing the file "Setup-DUAL_TO_KIT.tp2" with a text editor (preferably one with line numbers) before installation:
after line 467, add: lines 467-469 should look like this afterwards:
addkit = 1 if v.id ~= 1 then addkit = 0 end if dualClassKit[y]('str') > dualSTRScore thenMy version has 469 as addkit = 1
I'm assuming that's the right one.
Do you mind if I ask you why adding just that one line restricts it to specialist mages only? I'm interested in coding but don't know too much about it besides the basics.
Edit: that worked perfectly, but can I just make a small nitpick? When creating a new character or dual-classing, the overlay on the bottom buttons clashes with the second button - the overlay says done but the button below says accept. When you choose the first class it should say accept, then done after you choose the kit. Is that possible to change/fix?
Edit 2: For the nitpick, I noticed it was only in BG2 that I saw this issue, and I managed to fix it by changing line 183 from text "DONE_BUTTON" to text "ACCEPT_BUTTON"
That should be fine, right?
Thank you for your help.
Example:
1 Start as F/T, add in a kit if you want in keeper (or mod, but I don't mod).
2 Play 'til you reach a point where you would normally Dual, ie level 7 Fighter in BG1 (level 8 thief)
3 Open keeper, set your class to dual, first class fighter (kit), second class thief (kit), change the EXP on the second class to match the level 8 thief EXP and save
4 Go back playing as a single class thief (8+) 'dualed' from fighter (7).
This works easiest with multiclasses where one class levels faster than the other, and that's the class you want to dual to. In this case, fighter is level 7 and Thief 8, so you don't have to fake the exp. If you would want to keep leveling fighter you need fighter level 9 to surpass the thief levels (8 in our example) to activate them (if you had dual classed the legal way) so that takes more tinkering with the EXP on the second class which makes it more 'illegit'. I've done that as well of course, both by actually playing a SC fighter for a while until it reaches level 9 and by cheating to give the character enough EXP in its second class to surpass the first class. The latter breaks the rules a lot more obviously, but since I do this to save time and increase my play value (I hate the dual class mechanic) I prefer it.
I tend to stick to the rules of MC; meaning no GM in weapons etc as a kind of 'penalty' for cheating the dual class, but YMMW.
For the record, I used to use XP farming instead, and thought this was someone more 'legit' than using Keeper, and this ate quite a few hours in IWD, since I would sometimes find a weapon good enough to be worth building a whole new fighter for it. Somehow this seemed fun to me.
I would bet that you also suffer an extra 15% spell scribing failure rate.
Currently any dual-classed mage, wild mage, or bard (so basically every mage kit including specialist mages) gets -15% to their chance to successfully scribe scrolls. The problem for these groups is that when the spell school is checked against their class it never matches, so they just get -15% to everything.
https://support.baldursgate.com/issues/40462
Make sure you account for his Amulet, although I'm sure you did!
Dual-class combinations of a base class and a mage are unaffected, with the exception of Imoen.
Of the BG2 companions that can scribe spells: Haer'Dalis, Imoen, Neera, and Sarevok are affected. Aerie, Nalia, Edwin, and Jan work properly.
This is easy to work around, of course - potions of genius/mind focusing are available at every temple, and 24 Int is guaranteed success even with the penalty.
I haven't tested any "illegal" combinations - only those achievable without mods or save-editing.