Petrification / Polymorph Save Busted, or Just Confusing?
HaHaCharade
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Maybe I'm not looking at it right, but I've got Dorn to a "1" save vs. Petrification / Polymorph. This was achieved by getting him to his normal Blackguard Level 6, then giving him the Claw of Kazgaroth. a +1 Ring of Protection, and Adoy's belt. However, when he charges Basiliks like a mad man he saves like on 2 or 3 up (I've seen it with feedback on). Then he's suddenly dead in just a few seconds because even though I have the hit rolls feedback is place, he just gets petrified with no roll shown. Not sure if Greater Basiliks have some kind of power that bipasses saves?
On closer examination of the Claw of Kazgaroth - It looks like it only gives +3 to Polymorph and NOT Petrification/Polymorph combined (at least that's what the text says).... But still, I've seen him save on a 2 or 3 so... His save is low.
He still becomes Petrified ridiculously fast all the time with no roll shown... just says "Petrification". Save, Save, Save... Petrification. Or sometimes, just Petrification right away with no rolls shown. So not sure if there's an issue or not. Oh well, back to the more tried and true ways of fighting them I guess. I thought I beat the system.
On closer examination of the Claw of Kazgaroth - It looks like it only gives +3 to Polymorph and NOT Petrification/Polymorph combined (at least that's what the text says).... But still, I've seen him save on a 2 or 3 so... His save is low.
He still becomes Petrified ridiculously fast all the time with no roll shown... just says "Petrification". Save, Save, Save... Petrification. Or sometimes, just Petrification right away with no rolls shown. So not sure if there's an issue or not. Oh well, back to the more tried and true ways of fighting them I guess. I thought I beat the system.
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As a Blackguard 6 with the indicated equipment, Dorn's effective petrification/polymorph save should be 12-2-5-3-1, or 1. Certain success? No; basilisk gaze attacks have a -4 to save against. I tested in game by giving a level 7 paladin all the save gear (Adoy's belt, necklace of form stability, Gift of Peace, +2 ring, potion of invulnerability) and saw successful saves ranging from -3 to 16.
Your Dorn saves 80% of the time. Against 3.5 gaze attacks per round from a greater basilisk, and about three rounds expected to kill it in single combat - those are not good odds.
There's an easy fix: drink a potion of invulnerability on top of what you've already done, for +5 to saves for an hour. There is no critical failure for saves, so as long as you can get that displayed petrification/polymorph save to -3, you're safe.
Good to know.. Yeah I just figured I'd have someone with an awesome save that could be a buffer without spells. Spoiled I guess. He still saves enough to kill one with a bow from afar usually... well, sometimes lol.
Interesting. It is Save vs. Petrification based on what the feedback shows.
I mean, it is a spell, but when the vast majority of anything you can save against are spells it does seem a bit much. Really makes you wonder why they decided to make 'Save vs Spells" a category in the first place.
Now that I look it up in Near Infinity, it's using a save vs. polymorph in my install, too. Maybe an update changed it at some point.
I KNEW I wasn't crazy to think it used to be a save vs. death!