Really creepy when I found this out, since The Beach Boys was my first concert as a kid in the '80s.
The theory of the atom goes back to the 5th century BCE and is generally attributed to Democritus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism
The Greek word for Atom means uncuttable. Early Chemists, when first starting to understand atoms as we know them today, thought them to be indivisible, so they picked the name atom from the old Greek philosophers. In a way, you could think of atoms as uncuttable, since if you were to cut an atom any smaller, it would cease to be the element it once was. While of course you can break an atom into smaller parts, it's no longer what it was. What I find most fascinating is that because Democritus believed in a static universe with predefined paths for the atoms, he thought everything was predetermined. His student Epicurus (mostly known for food today, which is a whole other thing), believed the atoms to be in a state of random chaos, not unlike chaos theory and heisenberg's uncertainty principle in some ways.
@DrHappyAngry that reminds me when I started to learn about Buddhism, after learning some basic neurology, and seeing that ancient people understood the human psyche on a profound level, and perhaps how to live better with it. I've heard the Dali Lama has stated that anything in Buddhism that is contradicted by science has to be accepted as false, thought this could be apocryphal. I don't think that the original teachings would have to have very much discarded from the core tenets to fit that standard, which is unusual for what is essentially a religion.
I'm always irritated to read what amounts to the opinion that all people used to be stupid that some people have. Yes, people were on average a bit dumber in eras with regular food shortages, but in normal periods people were people for heaven's sake, and not idiots. Still, I think people will look back and think we were dumb for various reasons, so maybe it's an inevitability?
I would definitely describe our ancestors as ignorant and backward people by modern standards, but I blame that ignorance and backwardness on the reality of the time; not any inherent idiocy that we supposedly evolved out of in the last century or whatever. I understand that people are getting more intelligent due to evolution as time goes on, but primarily, the reason why we know so much more than our ancestors is because we were taught so much more than our ancestors. If you transplanted the child of some random yahoo from the Stone Age to the twenty-first century and raised them in the modern world, they'd grow up to be about as enlightened as the folks around them. If I was born a thousand years ago, I'd be about as ignorant as the folks around me.
I hold our ancestors and their society in very low esteem. But that's simply how history progresses, and for what it's worth, the reason why we are enlightened as we are today is because of generations of people before us who passed down most of those insights to us. Enlightenment takes many generations.
I have little doubt that future generations will regard me as ignorant. If I knew what their ideas were, I'd probably adopt them ahead of my own judgment (depending on how far forward in time we're talking), but right now I've only got the knowledge I inherited, and I can only advance a few steps ahead over the course of a single lifetime.
I abandoned the "people of the past are stupid" stance as soon as I first heard "We don't know how they accomplished this." in a documentary. It may have been Easter Island.
The Easter Island thing is explainable. The basic idea was that they rolled along the statues on logs and used ropes to pull them upright. Labor-intensive, but a solid low-tech means of moving around giant rocks. There's also a theory that felling all the trees to make those logs resulted in erosion, desertification, famine, and eventually extinction when the island could no longer sustain life.
I find it odd that so many of these documentaries act like moving heavy things is impossible to do without modern technology. Muscle power can do a lot of work, given enough time. It just depends on how much effort you're willing to invest in a given project.
But there are better examples of people using clever methods in the distant past. Maggot therapy comes to mind--it's still in use even today. Maggots can safely and cleanly deal with gangrene because maggots only eat dead flesh; not living flesh.
Of course, humans also used to use leeches to treat illnesses, and that treatment only made things worse. But medicine is one of the more complicated practices, so it's expected that premodern folks wouldn't be able to pin down reliable treatments until biology advanced. More common trades better represent human ingenuity before the modern era.
Agriculture would be a good example. It's an immensely complicated science and it takes months and years to see how experiments play out. Traditional agriculture is actually very sophisticated.
I am going to steal this from Desmond Morris' The Day The Universe Changed, but somebody once said to the philosopher Wittgenstein, "What a bunch of morons those people in the middle ages must have been, thinking the sun went around the Earth." To which Wittgenstein replied "Yes, but what would it have looked like if it did go around the Earth?" The point being, it would have looked the same. The series The Day The Universe Changed is fantastic, it's a documentary series about moments when our view of the universe changed. His other series Connections is awesome, too, it's about how all these little unrelated discoveries and random events lead up to inventions and breakthroughs.
@semiticgod Yeah, now. But back when I was a kid, there were a lot more things we scrathced our heads over. Stone Henge was another example.
If you really want your mind blown my sister has been getting into Skywatch lately. She sent me a bunch of books and tapes. I haven't been reading much lately but what I've looked at so far is pretty disturbing conspiracy theory stuff. Think Ancient Aliens combined with God, end-times prophecy, the Nephilim and the Illuminati all tied up in a bow. I know you're a Christian so if you're into that stuff at all take a look and let me know what you think. I won't put a link here but if you (or any other forum members for that matter) are interested in what makes many Evangelicals tick, just Google 'Skywatch TV'.
@semiticgod Yeah, now. But back when I was a kid, there were a lot more things we scrathced our heads over. Stone Henge was another example.
If you really want your mind blown my sister has been getting into Skywatch lately. She sent me a bunch of books and tapes. I haven't been reading much lately but what I've looked at so far is pretty disturbing conspiracy theory stuff. Think Ancient Aliens combined with God, end-times prophecy, the Nephilim and the Illuminati all tied up in a bow. I know you're a Christian so if you're into that stuff at all take a look and let me know what you think. I won't put a link here but if you (or any other forum members for that matter) are interested in what makes many Evangelicals tick, just Google 'Skywatch TV'.
Wow, so we have somehow rolled pseudo Christian tradition, with Jewish cult lore, shadow government conspiracy theories, AND aliens? That is certainly a lot of things.
@semiticgod Yeah, now. But back when I was a kid, there were a lot more things we scrathced our heads over. Stone Henge was another example.
If you really want your mind blown my sister has been getting into Skywatch lately. She sent me a bunch of books and tapes. I haven't been reading much lately but what I've looked at so far is pretty disturbing conspiracy theory stuff. Think Ancient Aliens combined with God, end-times prophecy, the Nephilim and the Illuminati all tied up in a bow. I know you're a Christian so if you're into that stuff at all take a look and let me know what you think. I won't put a link here but if you (or any other forum members for that matter) are interested in what makes many Evangelicals tick, just Google 'Skywatch TV'.
Wow, so we have somehow rolled pseudo Christian tradition, with Jewish cult lore, shadow government conspiracy theories, AND aliens? That is certainly a lot of things.
They still have to find a way to include the MIB, Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot in their theories or it won't be complete.
I agree people would be quite surprised to find out how much they could physically do if they were raised to work hard, rather than attending school that had what, maybe 1 hour a day of exercise that was for most kids at least, those that weren't atrocious runners, not that arduous. They'd be sweating lightly at their highest exertion. Anyways, I'm not especially strong for my size, but I'm rather large, and pretty solidly built, so my 285 lbs looks more like 230 lbs. People are sometimes quite shocked to find out how much I weigh! I do some heavy-ish lifting, regularly lifting well over 100lbs completely over my head multiple times, so I know I can push up about that hard, yet I also know I have carried ash wood logs that weighed at least 250lbs on one shoulder for at least 50 yards, if not 100, and on forest ground, so a human that was truly raised on hard work, and of decent health, could quite likely carry 300 lbs at head height for a significant distance. Multiple people sharing the load could probably haul it all day. Pushing is much easier than hauling, so if you could figure out how to use rollers (debatable isn't it, I highly doubt these people had any other examples of the wheel, right? Not sure such tech was really known to them, though it seems so obvious to us that around raised with the wheel everywhere!) you could indeed move truly immense loads significant distances, and possibly even up inclines.
I also do find it interesting that you point out that the island could be deforested, and I know they had massive famine problems that apparently lead to cannibalism. Europeans arrived on an apparently very unpleasant island, with a sparse population. The deforestation could indeed lead to massive issues with farming practices that would have been needed to support the population, and since the work seemed to stop almost overnight, with statues in various states of completion found, so that also seems to line up with the massive famine. Interesting stuff.
I don't know if I'd agree people are universally smarter, though I have read that IQs have been rising on average for awhile, I would definitely agree they were on the whole far less educated, not knowing tons of things we consider basic knowledge. Then again, they often had tons of skills we personally don't have, and would find difficult to learn, so maybe even calling them ignorant isn't quite accurate, but specifically under-educated sounds about right. They would often have learned a trade or two while growing up, but would usually not learn much science or history outside their specific field.
I think the dead give away that people aren't really much different is that how similar our politics seems to the old Republic of the Romans. I mean, Trump would probably have been elected there too, being rich was a pre-req for running, and by rich I mean billionaire today likely, and his populism and BS would have moved the people then as much as it did now. Disturbing to think about, since the Romans were pretty brutal people in many ways, yet we seem on some levels very much the same, and not just physically, though perhaps you could argue that our brain's wiring systems are a physical thing, with our consciousness being a manifestation of that physical thing, and thus physical itself.
I need to stop typing, this is getting out of hand!
Edit: Leeches aren't always bad practice iirc, especially before we had modern medicine, as they apparently put chemicals into your blood steam that can be beneficial in some circumstances. I'm not a doctor naturally, so I'm just parroting what I've heard and read.
@semiticgod Yeah, now. But back when I was a kid, there were a lot more things we scrathced our heads over. Stone Henge was another example.
If you really want your mind blown my sister has been getting into Skywatch lately. She sent me a bunch of books and tapes. I haven't been reading much lately but what I've looked at so far is pretty disturbing conspiracy theory stuff. Think Ancient Aliens combined with God, end-times prophecy, the Nephilim and the Illuminati all tied up in a bow. I know you're a Christian so if you're into that stuff at all take a look and let me know what you think. I won't put a link here but if you (or any other forum members for that matter) are interested in what makes many Evangelicals tick, just Google 'Skywatch TV'.
Wow, so we have somehow rolled pseudo Christian tradition, with Jewish cult lore, shadow government conspiracy theories, AND aliens? That is certainly a lot of things.
They still have to find a way to include the MIB, Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot in their theories or it won't be complete.
That might be in the 3rd book...
The first book so far is mostly about how the scientists at CERN are trying to create a black-hole to open a portal to Hell and allow the fallen angels access to Earth. Because, you know, that's what evil scientists do. Just look at CERN's emblem:
That's clearly 3 sixes intertwined, not a stylized representation of a cyclotron (ummm, ok). They've since redesigned the emblem to make it look less like sixes because their nefarious symbol was 'discovered'. They also have a statue of Shiva given to them by India. The heathens!
You can't make this stuff up. It's clearly easier to demonize things you don't understand than to actually learn about them...
@Balrog99 Are you sure this isn't just a game of Vampire: The Masquerade that just got out of hand?
Unfortunately it's all too real for some people. It does have all the makings for a really good novel or movie though. Maybe it's own Cinematic-Universe even!
I think that CERN logo looks like a chubby bird bowing, with it's tail feathers up in the air... OMG! THE BIRD OF EVIL! PAZUZU!!!
Don't say that. Next I'll be reading that it's not really 666, it's a symbol for Quetzalcoatl because that'll be the first demon to emerge from the black-hole...
@Balrog99 Are you sure this isn't just a game of Vampire: The Masquerade that just got out of hand?
Unfortunately it's all too real for some people. It does have all the makings for a really good novel or movie though. Maybe it's own Cinematic-Universe even!
What really cracks me up about all this conspiracy theory stuff (religious or not) is how these evil scientists/politicians/rich people/devil-worshippers, and whoever else I'm leaving out, have all of these grandiose plots going on all over the world that are completely coordinated and going on right under our noses but they can't resist putting a '666' in their emblem. It's like one of those super-villains that can't resist telling everybody about their evil plan!
I think if I figure it all out they'll have no choice but to hang me by my feet with a rope and slowly lower me into a pool of sharks. That way I can miraculously escape when they inevitably leave me alone because of some distraction or other.
What really cracks me up about all this conspiracy theory stuff (religious or not) is how these evil scientists/politicians/rich people/devil-worshippers, and whoever else I'm leaving out, have all of these grandiose plots going on all over the world that are completely coordinated and going on right under our noses but they can't resist putting a '666' in their emblem. It's like one of those super-villains that can't resist telling everybody about their evil plan!
I think if I figure it all out they'll have no choice but to hang me by my feet with a rope and slowly lower me into a pool of sharks. That way I can miraculously escape when they inevitably leave me alone because of some distraction or other.
If you tell the truth nobody will believe you. If they kill you they just confirm its all truth.
Hmmm.maybe I should split this discussion to a new thread.
What really cracks me up about all this conspiracy theory stuff (religious or not) is how these evil scientists/politicians/rich people/devil-worshippers, and whoever else I'm leaving out, have all of these grandiose plots going on all over the world that are completely coordinated and going on right under our noses but they can't resist putting a '666' in their emblem. It's like one of those super-villains that can't resist telling everybody about their evil plan!
I think if I figure it all out they'll have no choice but to hang me by my feet with a rope and slowly lower me into a pool of sharks. That way I can miraculously escape when they inevitably leave me alone because of some distraction or other.
Hmmm.maybe I should split this discussion to a new thread.
Well truthfully, there are a fair amount of people that think at least some of this stuff IS 'lesser known historical facts'. Wisdom is only possessed by the NOT learned in their eyes...
What really cracks me up about all this conspiracy theory stuff (religious or not) is how these evil scientists/politicians/rich people/devil-worshippers, and whoever else I'm leaving out, have all of these grandiose plots going on all over the world that are completely coordinated and going on right under our noses but they can't resist putting a '666' in their emblem. It's like one of those super-villains that can't resist telling everybody about their evil plan!
I think if I figure it all out they'll have no choice but to hang me by my feet with a rope and slowly lower me into a pool of sharks. That way I can miraculously escape when they inevitably leave me alone because of some distraction or other.
Hmmm.maybe I should split this discussion to a new thread.
Well truthfully, there are a fair amount of people that think at least some of this stuff IS 'lesser known historical facts'. Wisdom is only possessed by the NOT learned in their eyes...
Its kinda weird, but it's IMHO the exact same silliness that lead to witch burnings and other atrocities, at least we don't usually have massacres by conspiracy nutters, just occasionally. What difference is there between believing that Jewish people have secret practices involving sacrificing Christian babies, and believing that modern 'elites', who inexplicably don't generally include Republicans in the US, are all in a secret cabal. I mean, both are equally out of their tree, and not based on anything like reality, and both have resulted in evil being done. Of course, there are many people that believe that the core of that 'elite' group IS Jewish people, so go figure.
One must wonder if a lot less people would have been killed off over the years if we had anti-psychotic medicines further back in time. :S Not blaming the psychotics themselves, it's obviously not strictly their fault, and there was really not treatments until pretty recently, with many false hopes preceding good medicine, and hopefully better stuff in the future.
The first book so far is mostly about how the scientists at CERN are trying to create a black-hole to open a portal to Hell and allow the fallen angels access to Earth. Because, you know, that's what evil scientists do.
The first book so far is mostly about how the scientists at CERN are trying to create a black-hole to open a portal to Hell and allow the fallen angels access to Earth. Because, you know, that's what evil scientists do.
I think it's interesting how people have a tendency to get real events/people/organizations, invent a completely random story around them and them ignore/deny all facts showing their theories are wrong/crazy.
I think it comes from a necessity to feel superior to everyone else as they are the ones who cracked the secret "THEY" didn't want anyone to know.
The Illuminati are a good example. They are just a society that split from the Freemasons because its founder found it was too expensive to be a Freemason. The true story can be easily found on the net if you look for it, it's even in Wikipedia
The Freemasons are another example... they are the worst secret society I've ever heard about. I can easily find the addresses and phone numbers of their lodges if I do a quick search
The Freemasons are another example... they are the worst secret society I've ever heard about. I can easily find the addresses and phone numbers of their lodges if I do a quick search
Not to mention the baseball caps, t-shirts and bumper stickers their members often sport.
Yeah, it isn't a coincidence that most conspiracy obsessives are people at the bottom of society. Their attitudes interfere with success, and to help soften their pain at being what they (and society in general) think isn't successful they make up explanations why such a great person is unemployed or marginally employed, or employed in a depressing job; the conspiracy. It can include things like believing everyone else has become more successful because of nepotism or 'who they know', and even people we as a society might consider reasonably successful can feel the need to justify not achieving other things of note they desire, ie a male accountant could grow frustrated at being sexually undesired despite being fairly wealthy, and convince himself that most people fitter are abusing drugs etc.
I think the USA and other countries that make a show out of believing that hard work = becoming successful are more burdened, because its actually pretty easy to work too hard, and the rewards usually suck. Countries that aren't radically individualistic also avoid some of this madness. I think it favours men too, with men being the more likely to manufacture enemies, but ymmv.
Its infuriating though how powerful/influential all those conspiracy nutters are getting, with the rise of coarsest populism in many areas we're finding out how dangerous of a voting block they can be. What lunatic thinks things were ACTUALLY better +50 years ago??
You know, its starting to look a bit like the conspiracy nutters are, in fact, conspiring against the sane people!!!
Uh, so apparently more political populism, the more 'distrustful of science' people tend to be. I really don't mean to be rude, but isn't it more or less denying objective reality to deny proven science?? I have non-mainstream beliefs about some stuff, including evolution (I am pretty strongly Christian afterall), but I am well aware that genetics definitely change over time, and the scientists that independently thought of it extremely intelligent. I was pretty authoritarian while a teen (...no, I did not have many friends, nor did I really want to), yet I always believed in justice and the Rule of Law.
Seriously, are people just insane in huge numbers?? Vaccines are imho the biggest and best bit of science we've ever had, better than the wheel even. What the heck are these people thinking? How can anyone sanely disregard actual, solid research?
Edit: I don't think it even matters if the people have even a cursory level of knowledge with tech to comfortable, they literally just need to be around it enough, and you don't get vaccinated that repetitively. The average anti-vaxer is still fine using telephones they literally cannot even start to explain, but vaccine science, with staggering evidence of benefit and nearly no downsides for ANYONE, that's the one they hate.
If those turds could watch Youtube on their vaccines, they'd all get vaccines, I just know it. Really, really depressing to think about too much.
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Did you know that Charles Manson and his family moved in with Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys? The Beach Boys even recorded one of his songs.
https://www.businessinsider.com/charles-mansons-relationship-with-the-beach-boys-explained-2017-11
That's right, Charles Manson wrote Never Learn Not To Love
Really creepy when I found this out, since The Beach Boys was my first concert as a kid in the '80s.
The theory of the atom goes back to the 5th century BCE and is generally attributed to Democritus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism
The Greek word for Atom means uncuttable. Early Chemists, when first starting to understand atoms as we know them today, thought them to be indivisible, so they picked the name atom from the old Greek philosophers. In a way, you could think of atoms as uncuttable, since if you were to cut an atom any smaller, it would cease to be the element it once was. While of course you can break an atom into smaller parts, it's no longer what it was. What I find most fascinating is that because Democritus believed in a static universe with predefined paths for the atoms, he thought everything was predetermined. His student Epicurus (mostly known for food today, which is a whole other thing), believed the atoms to be in a state of random chaos, not unlike chaos theory and heisenberg's uncertainty principle in some ways.
I'm always irritated to read what amounts to the opinion that all people used to be stupid that some people have. Yes, people were on average a bit dumber in eras with regular food shortages, but in normal periods people were people for heaven's sake, and not idiots. Still, I think people will look back and think we were dumb for various reasons, so maybe it's an inevitability?
I hold our ancestors and their society in very low esteem. But that's simply how history progresses, and for what it's worth, the reason why we are enlightened as we are today is because of generations of people before us who passed down most of those insights to us. Enlightenment takes many generations.
I have little doubt that future generations will regard me as ignorant. If I knew what their ideas were, I'd probably adopt them ahead of my own judgment (depending on how far forward in time we're talking), but right now I've only got the knowledge I inherited, and I can only advance a few steps ahead over the course of a single lifetime.
I find it odd that so many of these documentaries act like moving heavy things is impossible to do without modern technology. Muscle power can do a lot of work, given enough time. It just depends on how much effort you're willing to invest in a given project.
But there are better examples of people using clever methods in the distant past. Maggot therapy comes to mind--it's still in use even today. Maggots can safely and cleanly deal with gangrene because maggots only eat dead flesh; not living flesh.
Of course, humans also used to use leeches to treat illnesses, and that treatment only made things worse. But medicine is one of the more complicated practices, so it's expected that premodern folks wouldn't be able to pin down reliable treatments until biology advanced. More common trades better represent human ingenuity before the modern era.
Agriculture would be a good example. It's an immensely complicated science and it takes months and years to see how experiments play out. Traditional agriculture is actually very sophisticated.
If you really want your mind blown my sister has been getting into Skywatch lately. She sent me a bunch of books and tapes. I haven't been reading much lately but what I've looked at so far is pretty disturbing conspiracy theory stuff. Think Ancient Aliens combined with God, end-times prophecy, the Nephilim and the Illuminati all tied up in a bow. I know you're a Christian so if you're into that stuff at all take a look and let me know what you think. I won't put a link here but if you (or any other forum members for that matter) are interested in what makes many Evangelicals tick, just Google 'Skywatch TV'.
Wow, so we have somehow rolled pseudo Christian tradition, with Jewish cult lore, shadow government conspiracy theories, AND aliens? That is certainly a lot of things.
They still have to find a way to include the MIB, Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot in their theories or it won't be complete.
I also do find it interesting that you point out that the island could be deforested, and I know they had massive famine problems that apparently lead to cannibalism. Europeans arrived on an apparently very unpleasant island, with a sparse population. The deforestation could indeed lead to massive issues with farming practices that would have been needed to support the population, and since the work seemed to stop almost overnight, with statues in various states of completion found, so that also seems to line up with the massive famine. Interesting stuff.
I don't know if I'd agree people are universally smarter, though I have read that IQs have been rising on average for awhile, I would definitely agree they were on the whole far less educated, not knowing tons of things we consider basic knowledge. Then again, they often had tons of skills we personally don't have, and would find difficult to learn, so maybe even calling them ignorant isn't quite accurate, but specifically under-educated sounds about right. They would often have learned a trade or two while growing up, but would usually not learn much science or history outside their specific field.
I think the dead give away that people aren't really much different is that how similar our politics seems to the old Republic of the Romans. I mean, Trump would probably have been elected there too, being rich was a pre-req for running, and by rich I mean billionaire today likely, and his populism and BS would have moved the people then as much as it did now. Disturbing to think about, since the Romans were pretty brutal people in many ways, yet we seem on some levels very much the same, and not just physically, though perhaps you could argue that our brain's wiring systems are a physical thing, with our consciousness being a manifestation of that physical thing, and thus physical itself.
I need to stop typing, this is getting out of hand!
Edit: Leeches aren't always bad practice iirc, especially before we had modern medicine, as they apparently put chemicals into your blood steam that can be beneficial in some circumstances. I'm not a doctor naturally, so I'm just parroting what I've heard and read.
https://health.howstuffworks.com/medicine/modern-treatments/leeches-in-modern-medicine.htm
That might be in the 3rd book...
The first book so far is mostly about how the scientists at CERN are trying to create a black-hole to open a portal to Hell and allow the fallen angels access to Earth. Because, you know, that's what evil scientists do. Just look at CERN's emblem:
That's clearly 3 sixes intertwined, not a stylized representation of a cyclotron (ummm, ok). They've since redesigned the emblem to make it look less like sixes because their nefarious symbol was 'discovered'. They also have a statue of Shiva given to them by India. The heathens!
You can't make this stuff up. It's clearly easier to demonize things you don't understand than to actually learn about them...
Unfortunately it's all too real for some people. It does have all the makings for a really good novel or movie though. Maybe it's own Cinematic-Universe even!
Don't say that. Next I'll be reading that it's not really 666, it's a symbol for Quetzalcoatl because that'll be the first demon to emerge from the black-hole...
I would watch that movie...
I think if I figure it all out they'll have no choice but to hang me by my feet with a rope and slowly lower me into a pool of sharks. That way I can miraculously escape when they inevitably leave me alone because of some distraction or other.
If you tell the truth nobody will believe you. If they kill you they just confirm its all truth.
Hmmm.maybe I should split this discussion to a new thread.
Well truthfully, there are a fair amount of people that think at least some of this stuff IS 'lesser known historical facts'. Wisdom is only possessed by the NOT learned in their eyes...
Its kinda weird, but it's IMHO the exact same silliness that lead to witch burnings and other atrocities, at least we don't usually have massacres by conspiracy nutters, just occasionally. What difference is there between believing that Jewish people have secret practices involving sacrificing Christian babies, and believing that modern 'elites', who inexplicably don't generally include Republicans in the US, are all in a secret cabal. I mean, both are equally out of their tree, and not based on anything like reality, and both have resulted in evil being done. Of course, there are many people that believe that the core of that 'elite' group IS Jewish people, so go figure.
One must wonder if a lot less people would have been killed off over the years if we had anti-psychotic medicines further back in time. :S Not blaming the psychotics themselves, it's obviously not strictly their fault, and there was really not treatments until pretty recently, with many false hopes preceding good medicine, and hopefully better stuff in the future.
Everyone's known that all along.
Is that George Soros in the background?
I think it comes from a necessity to feel superior to everyone else as they are the ones who cracked the secret "THEY" didn't want anyone to know.
The Illuminati are a good example. They are just a society that split from the Freemasons because its founder found it was too expensive to be a Freemason. The true story can be easily found on the net if you look for it, it's even in Wikipedia
The Freemasons are another example... they are the worst secret society I've ever heard about. I can easily find the addresses and phone numbers of their lodges if I do a quick search
Not to mention the baseball caps, t-shirts and bumper stickers their members often sport.
I think the USA and other countries that make a show out of believing that hard work = becoming successful are more burdened, because its actually pretty easy to work too hard, and the rewards usually suck. Countries that aren't radically individualistic also avoid some of this madness. I think it favours men too, with men being the more likely to manufacture enemies, but ymmv.
Its infuriating though how powerful/influential all those conspiracy nutters are getting, with the rise of coarsest populism in many areas we're finding out how dangerous of a voting block they can be. What lunatic thinks things were ACTUALLY better +50 years ago??
You know, its starting to look a bit like the conspiracy nutters are, in fact, conspiring against the sane people!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mogul
The American government didn't want the Soviets to know you could detect an atomic explosion on the other side of the planet with a weather balloon.
Uh, so apparently more political populism, the more 'distrustful of science' people tend to be. I really don't mean to be rude, but isn't it more or less denying objective reality to deny proven science?? I have non-mainstream beliefs about some stuff, including evolution (I am pretty strongly Christian afterall), but I am well aware that genetics definitely change over time, and the scientists that independently thought of it extremely intelligent. I was pretty authoritarian while a teen (...no, I did not have many friends, nor did I really want to), yet I always believed in justice and the Rule of Law.
Seriously, are people just insane in huge numbers?? Vaccines are imho the biggest and best bit of science we've ever had, better than the wheel even. What the heck are these people thinking? How can anyone sanely disregard actual, solid research?
Edit: I don't think it even matters if the people have even a cursory level of knowledge with tech to comfortable, they literally just need to be around it enough, and you don't get vaccinated that repetitively. The average anti-vaxer is still fine using telephones they literally cannot even start to explain, but vaccine science, with staggering evidence of benefit and nearly no downsides for ANYONE, that's the one they hate.
If those turds could watch Youtube on their vaccines, they'd all get vaccines, I just know it. Really, really depressing to think about too much.