the only spells I used was Magic Missile and Cure Light/Medium Wounds.
Story of my life for the first five/six play-through attempts. When I discovered Keldorn could use True Sight and Dispel Magic my "spell" list was doubled.
Reminds me of the moment I figured out how to use wands of fire. This might sound crazy, but maybe I should memorize something besides fireball for once...
I still can't use my wands. I save them all for the "big moment" when I really need them, but I usuallyjust forget that I have them in my Bag of Hoarding.
It took me YEARS to realize that skull trap does a LOT more damage than fireball at high levels. As in years I mean when I first played BG2 (like 2000 or so?) to... when I bought the Enhanced Edition.
My casters are always loaded up with wands at the ready at this point. The only downside is that I still haven't figured out how to use excess scrolls other than as gold fodder.
I have a good advice: if you play a druid and disable a dragon with Nature's Beauty, make sure you can kill it before it can cast Heal
I wanted to solo Firkraag with my Druid and landed a succesful Nature's Beauty on him. Then my Fire Elementals started hitting him but when he was Near Death he cast Heal. I was of course without any buffs short of Iron Skin. I don't have to tell you how that ended
I wonder what the druid changed into to make the dragon smitten!
What's interesting is that usually when someone is blinded by the spell, he can still fight back when someone from my party goes into melee. They may stand helpless but as soon as someone gets close, they resume attacking (it's the same effect when you are blinded - you can still see a small area around you).
This is not the case with dragons - I was afraid that Firkraag will kill my elementals in three rounds but lo and behold - he didn't retaliate.
I had a long history of getting pwned. Baldur's Gate is a Nintendo Hard game and you don't make it far if you can't take your lumps and reload. The one that really stuck with me was in the Baldur's Gate 2 Sewers where you open up the door and there is A METRIC TON OF MIND FLAYERS and Umber Hulks! I hadn't even seen one yet in the game, so I didn't know how to fight them. Having a CHARNAME who was a tank with a dumped INT score didn't help. I'm sure that his brain was a small meal.
I kicked Jaheira, imoen, and Michael Vicz (Viconis) out of my party after they died in a tough battle durring my first play through thinking I could carry their corpses to a licensed cleric to revive them.
Of course I realized my tragic mistake after I overwrote my quick and auto save.
Hehe, my worst defeat was by... Hobgoblins under Copper Coronet XD My first time playing BG2 (played it before BG1) - I went straight to the Coronet at the start of the game, became involved in freeing the slaves. Went underneath the sewers to explore, "oh look, hobgoblins" *HELD* *poison arrow* *dead* Man, that was humbling...
Having to restart SOA because the game glitched and I had no way out of the Beholder's Lair in the Sewers. This was while using the old CD version, though. Had everything done that is doable before giving the Shadow Thieves/Bodhi the 15k gold.
It might not be exactly what's asked here about a defeat, but a defeat to me is an event in which there is no possible way of overcoming the obstacle. Dieing in battles and stuff are not defeats, they're just mistakes and learnings lol
That time I was waylaid by an ogre mage and some brown bears at level 1 OK, Charname and Imoen were at level 2 but that's not the point. We had a party of 5 Charname, Imoen, Kivan, Minsc and Dynaheir. We were just coming back from the Gnoll Stronghold, Dynaheir had no spells memorized and no weapons or robes. Everyone but Imoen had run out of arrows and she only had 9 anyways. So I decided to do the only logical thing, Run my ass right back to town. Until I heard those dreaded words. "You have has been waylaid by enemies and must defend yourself." I'm probably describing this map in the worst way possible but, here goes anyways. It's the map where there are some rocky cliffs or mountains to the southwest where your party starts. The mountains prevent the party from running away to the south so they have to fight the encounter and escape through the north part of the map. The point I'm making is, there was no escape except throughthe gauntlet of death, pain, blood, and misery.
So anyways, There aren't any enemies in the characters line of sight so I have Imoen hide in shadows(After like 9 tries) and have her scout ahead. 1 brown bear, shouldn't be a problem, 2 no 3 brown bears that's going to be hard. Oh! And an ogre mage. Dammit. And then Imoen's hide in shadows fails, right in the middle of all that. Cue battle music and Imoen being hit by 3 magic missiles! She's down to 3 HP, I have everyone else except Dynaheir run into battle, because, whats a spell-less, weaponless, armor-less mage going to do? Bleed on people(spoiler alert, she does).
And here's where the slaughter begins, Kivan is hit by a brown bear and is down to half health, Minsc is torn to shreds by the other two. The Ogre mage cast Lightning Bolt, kills Imoen, nearly kills Charname. Dynaheir so distraught by Minsc's death, or just AI gone wild, goes into a rage of her own and runs up and attacks a bear, WITH HER FIST! And is immediate chucked into bits right as Charname was finished off with an Acid Arrow. Kivan also died sometime in that blood bath but I'm not sure when.
You see, that's were Serevok went wrong, He paid for the cheap, level appropriate assassins first, then continued buying his way up the ladder. If he had just sprung for the good stuff first time, He would have never had the problem of meddling PC's
I have faced all of every fight in BG and BGII, Nothing even comes close to the slaughter that happened that day, Even when I bumbled into the Shadow Dragon unawares and with half my party exhausted and without spells. Some fights were tough, but not and ogre mage and 3 brown bears tough.
(EDIT) I forgot to tell you how I dealt with this... I rage quit and cried in a corner for an hour. I am not ashamed
Some of the bounty hunter fights were pretty rough depending on when you tripped over them.
The fights I had to reload the most though were:
Sarevok's acolytes. That's still a tough fight for me today if you don't buff ahead of time. You're bunched up on the stairs and depending on your formation Zalimar will target a caster. Plus the unholy amount of CC spells they throw out.
Iron Throne mercenaries in under city. Rahvin's exploding arrows paired with Gorf smacking you around.
Sarevok of course.
BG2: Mencar's party. Sewer bandits.
Those were hard fights but probably the quickest I got owned and was like "wtf"? was the Gauths on the other end of the bridge leading to the diseased village during Cult of the Unseeing Eye.
You see, that's were Serevok went wrong, He paid for the cheap, level appropriate assassins first, then continued buying his way up the ladder. If he had just sprung for the good stuff first time, He would have never had the problem of meddling PC's
Clearly Sarevok should have hired some brown bears
I *really* struggled with the fight to take over the Druid coven in the Trademeet quest... Tried it with Cernd first (it's his quest after all)... Then with Jaheira (she's higher level and has good armour)... Then with Cernd, then with Jaheira... Rinse and repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.... Endless reconfiguring of spellbook and prebuffing, all to no avail. I really didn't know how to use a Druid (Jaheir had been a heal-bot/poor tank) so in a way, it was a good learning tool, but it must have taken me 20+ reloads over the course of three sittings to actually beat the b**ch.
One vs ones were tough for this noob (had a similar time in the drow tavern arena too).
^ yeah, I had a hard time with that one too. Her insect spells krpt eating me up. In the end I kind of cheated and threw improved invisibility on Jaheira before the fight so Faldorn couldn't use any spells on her.
The sad thing is, vanilla, if you don't take Cernd in to the party and just have him fight on his own, he instantly shapechanges and beats the crap out of her- I'd say 9 times out of 10, if not 10 out of 10. Yet if I take his worthless butt in to my party, he doesn't do nearly as well. Stupid Cernd.
The sad thing is, vanilla, if you don't take Cernd in to the party and just have him fight on his own, he instantly shapechanges and beats the crap out of her- I'd say 9 times out of 10, if not 10 out of 10. Yet if I take his worthless butt in to my party, he doesn't do nearly as well. Stupid Cernd.
Yeah, that's what I do nowadays.. No Xp for the kill, but also no risk of my laptop getting destroyed!
Just beware if you install an Improved Shapeshifting mod from somewhere or other- I can't remember which Improved Shapeshifting mod it is, making this a highly unhelpful warning. But in one of them, Cernd gets the script of ultimate stupidity, and will just stand there and attack with his staff, not shapeshifting or casting any spells if you let him go on his own.
However, if you do take control of him, with the improved shapeshifting, he absolutely owns Faldorn. So, price to pay, I suppose.
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It took me YEARS to realize that skull trap does a LOT more damage than fireball at high levels. As in years I mean when I first played BG2 (like 2000 or so?) to... when I bought the Enhanced Edition.
Sure you COULD memorize something other than fireball, but really what other good level 3 spells are there?
@booinyoureyes
My casters are always loaded up with wands at the ready at this point. The only downside is that I still haven't figured out how to use excess scrolls other than as gold fodder.
Spell sequencer: 3x fireball
Spell trigger: 3x fireball
Chain Contingency: I don't know how this works but it probably sucks
I wanted to solo Firkraag with my Druid and landed a succesful Nature's Beauty on him. Then my Fire Elementals started hitting him but when he was Near Death he cast Heal. I was of course without any buffs short of Iron Skin. I don't have to tell you how that ended
This is not the case with dragons - I was afraid that Firkraag will kill my elementals in three rounds but lo and behold - he didn't retaliate.
Of course I realized my tragic mistake after I overwrote my quick and auto save.
My first time playing BG2 (played it before BG1) - I went straight to the Coronet at the start of the game, became involved in freeing the slaves. Went underneath the sewers to explore, "oh look, hobgoblins" *HELD* *poison arrow* *dead*
Man, that was humbling...
Had no idea how to kill the guy. It took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out the "trick" of killing the cultists first.
Several reloads later I finally get the guy, save my game and breathe a sigh of relief, and...
I explode, game over. Dammit!!!! Wtf just happened!!!??!!?!!?!?
Ok...but those gibberlings just got lucky!
It might not be exactly what's asked here about a defeat, but a defeat to me is an event in which there is no possible way of overcoming the obstacle. Dieing in battles and stuff are not defeats, they're just mistakes and learnings lol
OK, Charname and Imoen were at level 2 but that's not the point. We had a party of 5 Charname, Imoen, Kivan, Minsc and Dynaheir. We were just coming back from the Gnoll Stronghold, Dynaheir had no spells memorized and no weapons or robes. Everyone but Imoen had run out of arrows and she only had 9 anyways. So I decided to do the only logical thing, Run my ass right back to town. Until I heard those dreaded words. "You have has been waylaid by enemies and must defend yourself." I'm probably describing this map in the worst way possible but, here goes anyways. It's the map where there are some rocky cliffs or mountains to the southwest where your party starts. The mountains prevent the party from running away to the south so they have to fight the encounter and escape through the north part of the map. The point I'm making is, there was no escape except throughthe gauntlet of death, pain, blood, and misery.
So anyways, There aren't any enemies in the characters line of sight so I have Imoen hide in shadows(After like 9 tries) and have her scout ahead. 1 brown bear, shouldn't be a problem, 2 no 3 brown bears that's going to be hard. Oh! And an ogre mage. Dammit. And then Imoen's hide in shadows fails, right in the middle of all that. Cue battle music and Imoen being hit by 3 magic missiles! She's down to 3 HP, I have everyone else except Dynaheir run into battle, because, whats a spell-less, weaponless, armor-less mage going to do? Bleed on people(spoiler alert, she does).
And here's where the slaughter begins, Kivan is hit by a brown bear and is down to half health, Minsc is torn to shreds by the other two. The Ogre mage cast Lightning Bolt, kills Imoen, nearly kills Charname. Dynaheir so distraught by Minsc's death, or just AI gone wild, goes into a rage of her own and runs up and attacks a bear, WITH HER FIST! And is immediate chucked into bits right as Charname was finished off with an Acid Arrow. Kivan also died sometime in that blood bath but I'm not sure when.
You see, that's were Serevok went wrong, He paid for the cheap, level appropriate assassins first, then continued buying his way up the ladder. If he had just sprung for the good stuff first time, He would have never had the problem of meddling PC's
I have faced all of every fight in BG and BGII, Nothing even comes close to the slaughter that happened that day, Even when I bumbled into the Shadow Dragon unawares and with half my party exhausted and without spells. Some fights were tough, but not and ogre mage and 3 brown bears tough.
(EDIT) I forgot to tell you how I dealt with this...
I rage quit and cried in a corner for an hour. I am not ashamed
Or the first time with a hard battel,.. "I should drink something it may help." (very first time)
Inventar:
Potion: Haste (Drink) -> look in game oh coool,..
next,..
Inventar:
Potion: Fire Odem (Drink) -> WUUUUSHHHH ( what a stupid Potion :-O )
Just CHARNAME, walking along. 'Will you kiss me?' 'Yeah, sure, sirine, I'm a video game character, I'm probably bi anyway... WAIT, RELOAD? RELOAD?!'
I've learned to allow other characters to walk in CHARNAME's place, in time. It was a long lesson to take in.
Tarnesh
Greywolf
Some of the bounty hunter fights were pretty rough depending on when you tripped over them.
The fights I had to reload the most though were:
Sarevok's acolytes. That's still a tough fight for me today if you don't buff ahead of time. You're bunched up on the stairs and depending on your formation Zalimar will target a caster. Plus the unholy amount of CC spells they throw out.
Iron Throne mercenaries in under city. Rahvin's exploding arrows paired with Gorf smacking you around.
Sarevok of course.
BG2:
Mencar's party.
Sewer bandits.
Those were hard fights but probably the quickest I got owned and was like "wtf"? was the Gauths on the other end of the bridge leading to the diseased village during Cult of the Unseeing Eye.
TOB:
Draconis
Ravager
Mellisan 2nd spawn
Endless reconfiguring of spellbook and prebuffing, all to no avail.
I really didn't know how to use a Druid (Jaheir had been a heal-bot/poor tank) so in a way, it was a good learning tool, but it must have taken me 20+ reloads over the course of three sittings to actually beat the b**ch.
One vs ones were tough for this noob (had a similar time in the drow tavern arena too).
However, if you do take control of him, with the improved shapeshifting, he absolutely owns Faldorn. So, price to pay, I suppose.