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Has anyone had blanks appear in-game for strings?

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  • RavenslightRavenslight Member Posts: 1,609

    Cahir said:

    Maybe he's doing mod only for himself.

    Somehow I think that's even worse. Is he going to go to other modders with compatibility issues and persuade them to accomodate his bizarre, non-conforming-just-because mod that he's not sharing with anyone else?
    Registering a unique prefix is such a basic and important first step to working with the modding community that I find it hard to believe that he would receive much sympathy from other modders, when such conflicts arise. Not when it is his deliberate choice not to do so. Most novice modders do their best to be compatible, at least to their best ability and knowledge at the time.

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  • AionZAionZ Member Posts: 3,026


    Registering a unique prefix is such a basic and important first step to working with the modding community that I find it hard to believe that he would receive much sympathy from other modders, when such conflicts arise. Not when it is his deliberate choice not to do so. Most novice modders do their best to be compatible, at least to their best ability and knowledge at the time.

    Point well made. Give the lady here a medal. To me, this person's behavior is reminiscent of the school kid who repeatedly violates the dress code until the teachers frustratedly send him home, then complains to his parents that he's not being taught anything. You knew the rules, refused to adhere to them and the fault lies entirely with you.

    Ravenslight
  • subtledoctorsubtledoctor Member Posts: 11,235
    Cahir said:

    Maybe he's doing mod only for himself.

    That's all well and good, and perfectly fine. A bunch of people do that and I'm more than happy to help them. There is no requirement to publish, here. But if he ever wants to use his personal mod along with other, established mods, there is a good chance he will face problems of overwritten files. So using a prefix is still really in his own best interest, just for the sake of convenience and certainty.


    Registering a unique prefix is such a basic and important first step

    Hey, I put out a beta version of a mod before I registered a prefix. It's not a crime. But then I found a file conflict, and then I found the prefix registration system, and then I had to rename >200 files to incorporate my new prefix. Which was a huge pain, because it involved spells like shapechanges and summons and other stuff where there was a target file resource inside the .spl or .cre files. That meant I had to do a bunch of the renaming inside NI, instead of in my computer's file system. So it was very unpleasant.

    Nowadays I advise people to get a prefix early as much for their own sake, to avoid what I went through, as for the sake of other modders. But hey, it's a free country.

    My only concern here is that this guy maybe does end up publishing a mod, and doesn't give adequate warning of the risk to players. Most players using mods understand that BG mod compatibility is tricky, and they would probably avoid using a mod that overtly disregards compatibility issues. Which means the only way he will convince players to use his mod is to potentially deceive them. That would not be cool.

    But, no need to indict someone before they commit a crime. He already acted rude, so I called him out for it. But he has not yet *actually* done anything to harm players or modders, so we can hold off judging until that changes.

  • PeccaPecca Member Posts: 1,960
    I find some points made in this thread very strange. It almost seems like modders have to obey rules, have responsibilities to comply and if they don't then it's wrong, almost to the point of illegality. I very much disagree with this kind of implication. I believe that any person can mod any way they want, can publish the mod any way they want and don't have to touch it and update in any way if they choose not to for any reason. Really. IE modding community is great and absolutely has no need to judge people for how they choose to make mods. The mod's popularity will be the judge I think.

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  • subtledoctorsubtledoctor Member Posts: 11,235
    edited July 2016
    Pecca said:

    I find some points made in this thread very strange. It almost seems like modders have to obey rules, have responsibilities to comply and if they don't then it's wrong, almost to the point of illegality. I very much disagree with this kind of implication. I believe that any person can mod any way they want, can publish the mod any way they want and don't have to touch it and update in any way if they choose not to for any reason. Really. IE modding community is great and absolutely has no need to judge people for how they choose to make mods. The mod's popularity will be the judge I think.

    I've already explained 3 times that that is NOT the point. No one is saying "you must follow our rules!!"

    Because of the severe technical limitations of the engine, a bunch of modders long ago decided to use a scheme to minimize conflicts. It was basically arbitrary; of course a suffix or a prefix or any other arbitrary scheme that prevents identical filenames of 8 characters would work equally well. But lo, those many years ago, those people decided to use prefixes. And pretty much everyone else since then has joined in the scheme.

    You want to argue the merits of that choice? Get yourself a time machine and go back to 2003. No one here took part in making that choice. You don't want to use that scheme? As I've said multiple times, that's 100% your choice. Nobody is saying it is compulsory. I RECOMMEND it to people because it is effective. I recommend doing it early to save yourself a headache. What anyone does with that information is totally, utterly their choice.

    (Of course, if what they do with that information is insult me for trying to be helpful, then they are a jerk and an idiot.)

    You can make any kind of mod you want, but if you fill your mod with files that overwrite work made by other modders, that's just disrespectful. And if you aren't honest with users about that risk, that's a real problem regardless of how popular the mod is. I don't think suggesting someone adhere to a baseline level of honesty and respect is asking too much of people.

  • chimericchimeric Member Posts: 1,163
    Pecca said:

    I find some points made in this thread very strange. It almost seems like modders have to obey rules, have responsibilities to comply and if they don't then it's wrong, almost to the point of illegality. I very much disagree with this kind of implication. I believe that any person can mod any way they want, can publish the mod any way they want and don't have to touch it and update in any way if they choose not to for any reason. Really. IE modding community is great and absolutely has no need to judge people for how they choose to make mods. The mod's popularity will be the judge I think.

    Thank you, Pecca. Unfortunately, these are not the people who can appreciate this argument. I, for my part, understand their concerns about compatibility, but that's not what this is about. It's about conformity. Well, the usual percentages about people and who can and can't do what hold. *shrug* They are pretty self-important and deluded and imagine they are some kind of community, when in fact they are only a club players couldn't care less about. And they don't talk business. Well, let's keep away from them. I only stop by here to see if my suffix of choice, _# , causes any technical problems. Apparently it doesn't.

    Moderator, how about closing this thread before it turns into a permanent feature?

  • subtledoctorsubtledoctor Member Posts: 11,235
    chimeric said:

    their concerns about compatibility, but that's not what this is about. It's about conformity.

    That's simply not true. It is in fact all about compatibility and nothing else. I mean read the posts. This is the 4th time saying so. Do you so desperately need to see yourself as an oppressed victim, even in the face of simple, clear statements to the contrary?
    chimeric said:

    Moderator, how about closing this thread before it turns into a permanent feature?

    TBH this is kind of a useful and important discussion, and people are being (generally) pretty civil about it... but whatever.

  • AionZAionZ Member Posts: 3,026
    edited July 2016
    This is all about compatibility. The more content you create with your inefficient method the more likely it is that someone out there will clash with your mod. This is not a matter of conformity, this is simple logic and fact. This is the reason why not a single one of us here is inclined to provide you with any assistance. Why should we help someone who is more than likely going to screw some other modder over because of some illogical desire to 'defy the system' despite being given entirely logical reasons why the system exists at all? What you are effectively doing is dropping a minefield that we have to put in effort to avoid when it is entirely within your power to simply remove the issue, but for some reason you insist on blocking your ears and singing over our voices instead.

  • PeccaPecca Member Posts: 1,960
    edited July 2016
    I'm not trying to defend OP's reasons. I agree that using prefixes counts for both most effective solution of inter-mod compatibility and common courtesy among modders. I am simply saying that if a person chooses not to go by the community's mutual agreement it is absolutely fine to do so. It's not disrespectful or anything wrong I can think of in moral sense. And that priciple has nothing to do with some language and insulting tone of some messages that appear in this thread.

  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 18,884
    The thread is closed by the OP's request.

This discussion has been closed.