@APhantasm It is done. They just did it. They didn't want to do it that way. But the decision needed approval from other parties. Why aren't you blaming WotC and Atari since they are the reason that the announcement was delayed?
I dont think Ive ever flamed/trolled anyone in my life on forums, but Maciak is making me come close in this topic..
Like kitteh said, I cant comprehend how you call yourself a fan... If all you think the EE is is a new standalone adventure (and clearly you dont approve of said adventure), then I dont understand why youre bothered at all. In fact with viewpoint I wouldnt have even pre-ordered in the first place! And thats assuming you have pre-ordered, and if you havent you have even less reason to be bothered.
The beta testers and devs are the only ones who know what state the game is at the mo, and the testers have come forward and said theyre dissapointed too but the delay IS what the game needed.
Why would they lie?? And dont give me some sort of conspiracy BS, as I wont buy it.
The only thing I see wrong with this delay is that they left it so late to announce it.
Can I use old savegame from older version of BG? And it will be possible to make a sort of "cross-platform adventuring" so I can start on my PC, than (with a previous internet connection to download save data) continue playing offline on my tablet / smartphone?
@APhantasm It is done. They just did it. They didn't want to do it that way. But the decision needed approval from other parties. Why aren't you blaming WotC and Atari since they are the reason that the announcement was delayed?
Simply because we have no proof they were the reason behind the delay of the announcement. Now if Overhaul/Beamdog came out and said were sorry for the delay of the announcement we had to get approval from WoTC or Atari for the delay then I would blame them for the bad business practice that could hurt Overhaul/Beamdog.
@Aphantasm Trent Oster has come out and said that they wanted to announce earlier but needed approval. I don't think he showed us anything notarized or sworn in a court of law. But if you think he is outright lying this may not be a product you should purchase.
@Aphantasm Trent Oster has come out and said that they wanted to announce earlier but needed approval. I don't think he showed us anything notarized or sworn in a court of law. But if you think he is outright lying this may not be a product you should purchase.
I never saw that post so if he said that then I stand corrected, and the blame falls squarely on WoTC and/or Atari then as they could seriously have hurt sales of BG:EE. By delaying approval of the delay.
This thread is still going on? Sheesh. I'd think by now everyone would have learned all the facts and accepted this. Why bother with blame anyway? Shouldn't this be about whether you want to buy the game or not, not about a delay which no one wanted and over which nobody had any control? What's done is done. If you want a refund, go get it. If you don't, then be patient, but this issue has been discussed to death. I just don't understand the point of being ticked off about it any longer.
oooooh, since the demo seems to be a bad idea, if the black pits are done, they could let those of us who preordered it play a 'final beta' that's just beta in name alone and gives us something to play while we wait. it's a portion of the new content but not all the new content and since it's stand alone, it takes out the difficult choice of 'should i play the game or should i play the black pits expansion thing......hmmmmm'
i know this won't happen, but hey, they want to give us something, we have the right to make suggestiosn and they have the right to shoot us down and watch our pitiful little ideas crash and burn like some hi res fps shooter......
ummmm, forgot what i was saying, was a fun image. anyways, trent said he wants to do something, and knowing him being so deep in the game atm, i'm sure he has no clue what yet, so why not turn this into a suggestion thread for them to read over and the best (i.e.: feasible) idea wins.
i know, i know, i need a life, but it's rare that i'm excited over a game anymore. Well, back to megaman x8, not sure what to play when i finish this. :P
If you all think about it this might not come in a box or retail store anytime soon and by pre order the game you will be the first ones to get the game before anyone else. they did mention too you can download the game as much as you want too and no limit also....
No my point is not moot cause you missed the point.
Your previous point was basing everything around the fact that there would be physical copies that needed producing. Pressing starts roughly three weeks before shipping to the stores, and shipping to the stores would be roughly two or three weeks before the actual release. Obviously requiring a little over a month, due to that process, to come out with any such statement about a delay.
That time scale does not apply here.
I won't say that your argument is entirely moot, however, just that the point over the process is not valid under this situation. They could have easily left it until a day or two before the release. People would still be debating it here, saying the same things, and they would still not have any real choice in the matter other than wait.
@Excalibur_2102 I agree, the thing most people seem to be against is the late communication.
They are only a small team of, if I recall correctly, 18 people (presumably not counting volunteers).
Let's put that into perspective: Blizzard laid off 600 employees. Six hundred employees, apparently in non-development areas, earlier this year. We should be lucky that this game is even near ready for distribution with a team of 18 people.
This thread is still going on? Sheesh. I'd think by now everyone would have learned all the facts and accepted this. Why bother with blame anyway? Shouldn't this be about whether you want to buy the game or not, not about a delay which no one wanted and over which nobody had any control? What's done is done. If you want a refund, go get it. If you don't, then be patient, but this issue has been discussed to death. I just don't understand the point of being ticked off about it any longer.
I would say the main reason for this thread being left open is to give people to opportunity to blow off steam. Otherwise the mods would probably have locked this thread fifteen or so pages back.
As for the two options, I agree, there are really only two options; you can either cancel your pre-order, or you can sit and wait. To anyone thinking of cancelling your pre-order: I would advise patience, instead. Possibly a beer, or non-alcoholic drink if you're not one for beer, but primarily patience .
I'm sure they honestly were trying their best to make the 18th September deadline. When it simply became obvious that they wouldn't make it they still needed to talk to all parties involved before they could publicly announce it.
Its bad that the game had to be delayed, but it was for the best.
Why not just give a realistic release date? Im not being snarky, just believe honest is 'generally' the best policy.. (dont quote me on that!)
Think they got their eyes open, for the huge crowd of devoted users. Then they simply couldnt aknowledge their own work, and postponed it for a few months, so the work between dev´s , mod´s and users, would actually make sence. And not become just another fast forwarded game.. Guess thtas why the non-spoken word of them in 2 days now. They are devoted... Give them a chance
This thread is still going on? Sheesh. I'd think by now everyone would have learned all the facts and accepted this. Why bother with blame anyway? Shouldn't this be about whether you want to buy the game or not, not about a delay which no one wanted and over which nobody had any control? What's done is done. If you want a refund, go get it. If you don't, then be patient, but this issue has been discussed to death. I just don't understand the point of being ticked off about it any longer.
This thread continues because well....what else is there to talk about?
@Maciak87 and @analingus: Why the hell do you guys call yourselves fans if you act so haughty? Would you rather prefer a shoddy product over one that is delayed, but of higher quality? As I said in another topic, people like you two are part of the companies rushing games out of the door no matter the quality, because you can't have some damn patience and demand your games NOW. Oster's team is doing everything they can, give the guys some rest too, will you? They're still humans afterall, and that is what most 'fans' seem to forget.
I never called myself a fan, but I do love the game. But no mattet how you put it, it is still a fact that they set a release date and then change it 4 days before kick off. And now you are telling me, that I cant be annoyed about it. Come on. If you buy a car and it supposed to be delivered sep. 18. Its ok for the carseller to pospone it until late nov, without you getting annoyed??! Yeah right.
Hmm why should people who pre-ordered have more than others ? Didn´t we get 2$ of the full price ? Should we now return the preorder, and get 20 $ instead, just to make us happy ? Narhhh, ill just wait and see...20 $ aint ruining my day, if it does yours, you can borrow them of me.
And btw, its a delay not a cancel.. !
Because pre-order is on the company interest, not on gamers interest.
If i don't have a reason to pre-order, why would i pay early for the product? I didn't loose faith in Beamdog but atm i don't believe that pre-order is anymore in my interest.
From the company point of view pre-order is early money flux, that help the project and speed up things. If Beamdog don't care about pre-order, ok, don't do nothing, but i truly believe that early money is in the best interest of any company.
I see your point. And i agree.. Though im not "demanding" a gift of somekind just because of a delay. Im a patient man.;) And i trust that in the end , they will succeed in their quest :O)
Let me lend my support to you on this, Beamdog. We have waited a long time for this very awesome game to be remade with better graphics. We can wait a bit longer to have it done right. If you release it buggy or incomplete, the fans would never forgive you. I am anxious to share this with my wife on her Mac, so I don't want to look stupid since I told her IMHO its the best game released on any platform. You made the right choice!
@Analingus It isn't appropriate to compare a basic transportation need purchase that typically costs THOUSANDS to an entertainment purchase that costs TENS. Be annoyed all you want. But some of the complaining in this thread is over the top. Ship dates slip in this industry. It isn't the only industry where it happens. If you don't want to pre-order then don't. Everyone will be ok in the end and we should have a great gaming experience in time for the holidays.
I like to think they got some feedback on the screenshots and decided to throw more effort at it. Disappointed, frustrated, but overall just don't really care. Now if they do it again, I might be a tiny bit angry.
@Analingus It isn't appropriate to compare a basic transportation need purchase that typically costs THOUSANDS to an entertainment purchase that costs TENS. Be annoyed all you want. But some of the complaining in this thread is over the top. Ship dates slip in this industry. It isn't the only industry where it happens. If you don't want to pre-order then don't. Everyone will be ok in the end and we should have a great gaming experience in time for the holidays.
@Treyolen: You took the words out of my mouth, so to speak.
Come on, guys...No need to be butthurt and cause such a drama over a game. BG:EE will come. Just be patient. Also, I don't care whether I'm an 'apologist' or whatever, I just think people should relativise this issue a bit. A delay isn't the end of the world.
The game is already done. Everything you had to do was to tweak it a little bit. I don't get this delay. I hope I will have some free DLC for this.
PS. Don't even try to make BG3.
The nerve.... Probably should give this kid his lunch money back.
I getting a bit angry seeing that train of thought all over the place. It doesn't matter whether you paid $2 or $2k for product , you expect it to be good. You deliberately don't buy damaged goods, shipments with delay and so on.
We can all be very understanding about the last-minute delay, we can all agree that it will make the game better, but it doesn't change fact it wasn't professional, moreover the newsfeeding about it was terrible. People tend to make plans according to information given. And there where none until the very end, which was a massive fail. So people got mad, some did this in civilize way, some didn't. But don't treat them like they are not entitled to it.
Our goal with the delay was to go back to basics and ensure we can deliver a better quality product. The end of November gives us a high confidence we can deliver the the quality of product we have in mind. I do apologize for the lateness of the push back as we needed to get both Wizards and Atari approval and had to at least get verbal approval on the contractual changes required. We made the decision late in the game and we underestimated the pushback and contract changes timeline. In my 17 years of software development I've gone through shipping numerous times. As you close in on ship, the fix rate takes off on a nearly exponential rate. We were optimistic (perhaps overly so) that this would occur in our original timeline. This did not happen as planned and there were still too many open and outstanding issues to ship the game and feel we had done the right thing.
@TrentOster: No apologies needed. I can wait. I'll happily support you guys in the meantime. I know the finished product will be worth it. Make sure to get some rest too, Mr Oster.
a few months ago i was already considering buying the baldur's gate 4 in 1 box set when i first heard about this project. am i disappointed that it is going to be delayed? yes... am i willing to wait just a little while longer for a remastered version of the game which i set as the benchmark for all the rpgs i play today? absolutely! keep up the good work guys
@TrentOster: No apologies needed. I can wait. I'll happily support you guys in the meantime. I know the finished product will be worth it. Make sure to get some rest too, Mr Oster.
Ditto. Especially the last one point, which applies to all the guys working on this project.
You guys can breathe a sigh of relief once this project is finished.
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Like kitteh said, I cant comprehend how you call yourself a fan... If all you think the EE is is a new standalone adventure (and clearly you dont approve of said adventure), then I dont understand why youre bothered at all. In fact with viewpoint I wouldnt have even pre-ordered in the first place! And thats assuming you have pre-ordered, and if you havent you have even less reason to be bothered.
The beta testers and devs are the only ones who know what state the game is at the mo, and the testers have come forward and said theyre dissapointed too but the delay IS what the game needed.
Why would they lie?? And dont give me some sort of conspiracy BS, as I wont buy it.
The only thing I see wrong with this delay is that they left it so late to announce it.
i know this won't happen, but hey, they want to give us something, we have the right to make suggestiosn and they have the right to shoot us down and watch our pitiful little ideas crash and burn like some hi res fps shooter......
ummmm, forgot what i was saying, was a fun image. anyways, trent said he wants to do something, and knowing him being so deep in the game atm, i'm sure he has no clue what yet, so why not turn this into a suggestion thread for them to read over and the best (i.e.: feasible) idea wins.
i know, i know, i need a life, but it's rare that i'm excited over a game anymore. Well, back to megaman x8, not sure what to play when i finish this. :P
That time scale does not apply here.
I won't say that your argument is entirely moot, however, just that the point over the process is not valid under this situation. They could have easily left it until a day or two before the release. People would still be debating it here, saying the same things, and they would still not have any real choice in the matter other than wait.
@Excalibur_2102 I agree, the thing most people seem to be against is the late communication.
As for the developers lying. I can't see why they would, either. Trent says the game had too many bugs, I'll take him on his word.
They are only a small team of, if I recall correctly, 18 people (presumably not counting volunteers).
Let's put that into perspective: Blizzard laid off 600 employees. Six hundred employees, apparently in non-development areas, earlier this year. We should be lucky that this game is even near ready for distribution with a team of 18 people. I would say the main reason for this thread being left open is to give people to opportunity to blow off steam. Otherwise the mods would probably have locked this thread fifteen or so pages back.
As for the two options, I agree, there are really only two options; you can either cancel your pre-order, or you can sit and wait. To anyone thinking of cancelling your pre-order: I would advise patience, instead. Possibly a beer, or non-alcoholic drink if you're not one for beer, but primarily patience
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Baldur-s-Gate-Enhanced-Edition-RPG-Delay-Overhaul-Games,17622.html
If you buy a car and it supposed to be delivered sep. 18. Its ok for the carseller to pospone it until late nov, without you getting annoyed??! Yeah right.
If i don't have a reason to pre-order, why would i pay early for the product? I didn't loose faith in Beamdog but atm i don't believe that pre-order is anymore in my interest.
From the company point of view pre-order is early money flux, that help the project and speed up things. If Beamdog don't care about pre-order, ok, don't do nothing, but i truly believe that early money is in the best interest of any company.
Im a patient man.;) And i trust that in the end , they will succeed in their quest :O)
Come on, guys...No need to be butthurt and cause such a drama over a game. BG:EE will come. Just be patient. Also, I don't care whether I'm an 'apologist' or whatever, I just think people should relativise this issue a bit. A delay isn't the end of the world.
It doesn't matter whether you paid $2 or $2k for product , you expect it to be good. You deliberately don't buy damaged goods, shipments with delay and so on.
We can all be very understanding about the last-minute delay, we can all agree that it will make the game better, but it doesn't change fact it wasn't professional, moreover the newsfeeding about it was terrible.
People tend to make plans according to information given. And there where none until the very end, which was a massive fail.
So people got mad, some did this in civilize way, some didn't. But don't treat them like they are not entitled to it.
The end of November gives us a high confidence we can deliver the the quality of product we have in mind.
I do apologize for the lateness of the push back as we needed to get both Wizards and Atari approval and had to at least get verbal approval on the contractual changes required. We made the decision late in the game and we underestimated the pushback and contract changes timeline.
In my 17 years of software development I've gone through shipping numerous times. As you close in on ship, the fix rate takes off on a nearly exponential rate. We were optimistic (perhaps overly so) that this would occur in our original timeline. This did not happen as planned and there were still too many open and outstanding issues to ship the game and feel we had done the right thing.
-Trent
You guys can breathe a sigh of relief once this project is finished.