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How do you normally beat Firkraag?

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  • inkblowoutinkblowout Member Posts: 42
    Wow guys thanks for the tips. I've used some of those tips for fighting thaxll'ssillyia with 2 archers, 1 tank, cleric, mage and bard doing the additional damage.

    The most helpful opinion is to use proper defenses spells + positioning when fighting dragons. I feel that dragons focusing on my tank while he's getting healed by clerics or by extra healing potions help a ton while the rest does a ton of damage.

    And it took me the first try to beat thaxll'ssillyia. Not sure if the outcome would have been the same for frikraag but it does help a ton.

    Montresor_SPStummvonBordwehr
  • SloaneRangerSloaneRanger Member Posts: 17

    Well I finally defeated Firkraag after 3 hours I think... (Thank god, he was tough.)

    How do you guys normally beat him? I know some people have done it so easily with level 12 character/solo and I'm just in shock because Firkraag was hard.

    The key to defeating Firkraag and all the other dragons is the Lower Resistance spell. Normally the high magic resistance of the dragons mean that physical attacks are the only effective attack. However even with the dragon killing halberd +6, that takes some doing. Lower Resistance lowers their resistance so all magic attacks fully work. Magic Missile is very effective. The combination of physical and magical attack will make short work of Firkraag and any dragon in the games. One spell is required. Two is better. Thereafter the usual tactics (buff up and summon monsters) should make the battle easy.

    There is one Lower Resistance scroll in Trademeet. There are several more in ToB. Nalia and Imoen have the Intelligence to learn it. Aerie and Jan can learn it if their Intelligence is temporarily boosted with potions.

    IMHO the toughest dragon is Draconis in Throne of Bhaal. Much of the difficulty with Firkraag is the relatively low level of the party when you meet him but your party are demi-gods when they meet Draconis and he is still hard to kill.

    broshimosemiticgodStummvonBordwehrdunbar
  • broshimobroshimo Member Posts: 19
    edited September 2017
    Good recommendations by everyone. The ideas and tactics in this thread are great against every dragon, so in summary:

    By priority of offensive spells cast, it should be
    1. (optional) Cleric's Magic Resistance
    2. Lower Resistance (multiple times recommended)
    3. Breach/Pierce Magic to remove Stoneskin
    4. Breach (if it used other defensive spells)
    5. your choice of debuffers or disablers. Greater Malison highly recommended

    (option for non-hostile dragons only) If you have Aerie, have her cast the Cleric's Magic Resistance spell since it SETS magic resistance to caster level x2, ignoring target magic resistance and saves - especially useful since her cleric level isn't very high because of her multiclass.

    For pre-battle defensive tactics, the only spell buff I think isn't too metagamey is Resist/Remove Fear. Have a few hasted summons available, making sure they're spaced far apart from each other (to prevent them all dying from Death Spell), and that they're closer to the dragon than your party. Spread out your party as well, otherwise they'll be knocked out by the dragon's Wing Buffet. Have everyone use a ranged weapon until Pierce Magic is cast. Make sure your Lower Resistance mage is the fastest caster (i.e. Robes of Vecna, Amulet of Power), and stagger their order. IIRC both Lower Resistance and Greater Malison are projectiles so distance and casting speed are important to note!

    The dragon should be hostile after your first Lower Resistance, triggering its Stoneskin contingency. If you're against pre-battle buffing because it's too metagamey (though there are no surprise dragon encounters), this is a good time to start buffing. The great thing about hasted summons is that the dragon will use Death Spell and Remove Magic in some order, buying your melee-oriented characters a few rounds to buff and out of range from being debuffed. Once Breach/Pierce Magic* removes the dragon's Stoneskin, send in the cavalry. Sequencers containing a Greater Malison and save penalty disabler recommended. Spell redundancy is fine because the dragon might resist your spells. So most of your spells will now work. My personal favorite combo is Insect Plague (Jaheira) + Doom/Blind (Aerie via Minor Sequencer). Doing this on a dragon will make it wander around the map as if it were Horror'd - annoying but you'll escape with near 100% health!

    Paladin tip: don't use Carsomyr because your hard work may be dispelled :( I learned this the hard way against Irenicus' shadow dragon.

    * I remember reading somewhere that a dragon's Stoneskin is only removed via Pierce Magic. Haven't checked to confirm so I use both.

    edit: wrong information and formatting

    Post edited by broshimo on
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  • LathlaerLathlaer Member Posts: 475
    Fought him first time since my 2y break, what a blast ;-)

    Easy tactics for reasonably mid level party with not that many people and not much cheesing:

    1. Realize that aggro in BG2 doesn't necessarily work like aggro in MMORPG
    2. Take a mage, protect with: protection from fire, mirror image, stoneskin, protection from fear, spell immunity: abjuration
    3. Have the rest of the team way back, far beyond Firkraag's line of sight. Have them protected from fear, fire, hasted and ready. Will be faster if you invest in potions of heroism as well.
    4. Start the fight with the mage - decrease magic resistance.
    5. Dragon will buff and unleash hell on the mage, but with those protections it should be fine.
    6. Wait for the initial attacks to pass - if mage got wing buffeted away, run close again. It is imperative that the dragon focuses on the mage.
    7. Once the initial flurry of attacks has passed, join the fight with the rest of the team.
    8. Mage's role should be a) using breach asap b) minding their protection (renew mirror image and stoneskin as soon as you notice that they actually got hit with something)
    9. Dragon should be dead soon.

    Bonus: it helps if the mage has already access to 6th level spells - Improved Haste and Protection from Magic Weapons are the two spells you will want to have, as they will both speed up the fight (use IH on your best warrior and protection once you run out of stoneskins).

    It's a fairly simple tactics that relies on the fact that no matter how much damage the dragon gets, his attention is mainly on the spellcaster. Obviously some luck is needed but I think that if you are not going to cheese it with cloudkill or traps, this tactics gives you more than enough fighting chance. You can even summon some critters but remember to keep them next to warriors far away in the beginning of the fight. Once Firkraag concentrates on the mage, he might forget to kill them fast.

  • recklessheartrecklessheart Member Posts: 687
    People have invented a wide range of tactics, some of which manage to kill off Dragons in 2 rounds of combat. Crazy!

    For my part, I rarely put too much stock in my melee characters to take down the SoA Dragons. I position my melee characters (usually 3 of them) at different places in a triangle around Firkraag so that a wing buffet will not immediately clear the field for him to attack my spellcasters, nor encourage him to use fire breath. Lower Resistance is great; Mazzy or another archer will consistently help out in a way that your melee character cannot because they'll be quaffing potions and closing the gap after wing buffets.

    My casters do much of the work by ripping Firkraag apart with Wands of Lightning which are a fantastic upgrade from Magic Missile for an occasion like this one.

    Preparing for battle, resistance to fear and fire are critical. Mirror Images will spare some party members from the risk of a fire attack too if you don't have even fire proofing for everybody. Protection From Evil Radius 10' is as wonderful here as everywhere else in the game, and Defensive Harmony can provide some critical cover for your melee characters - no matter how many healing potions you have, a Dragon can quickly overwhelm any NPC if they don't attempt to wing buffet them away!

    Later, strategies involving Time Stop will be valuable, and melee HLAs will allow these characters to survive and contribute more critically than they can in the early game.

    This is one strategy, and it is far from foolproof. If you can hold the frontline for long enough and have more than 1 Arcane character, Greater Malison (and even Doom) can give you a plethora of new options. Some people one hit kill them with Chromatic Orb or Finger of Death, but if that isn't your thing - and Dragon fights should be lots of fun, so don't feel bad if you forego this route - you can try Glitterdust or Ray of Enfeeblement to bring the Dragon's power down to civilized levels. That allows you to proceed with a bevy of options as suits your style.

  • VitharVithar Member Posts: 67
    Have something to dispel the Stoneskin , buff your characters and place them right next to him so you can ''open'' on him 1st.
    I think melee oriented setup of heroes is better and if you have some summons near him to distract him while the knocked back ones come back to hit him.
    If you have Lightning Wands , you can use them with the casters from behind at an angle that doesn't hurt the melee guys.

  • UnderstandMouseMagicUnderstandMouseMagic Member Posts: 1,758

    Well I finally defeated Firkraag after 3 hours I think... (Thank god, he was tough.)

    How do you guys normally beat him? I know some people have done it so easily with level 12 character/solo and I'm just in shock because Firkraag was hard.

    The key to defeating Firkraag and all the other dragons is the Lower Resistance spell. Normally the high magic resistance of the dragons mean that physical attacks are the only effective attack. However even with the dragon killing halberd +6, that takes some doing. Lower Resistance lowers their resistance so all magic attacks fully work. Magic Missile is very effective. The combination of physical and magical attack will make short work of Firkraag and any dragon in the games. One spell is required. Two is better. Thereafter the usual tactics (buff up and summon monsters) should make the battle easy.

    There is one Lower Resistance scroll in Trademeet. There are several more in ToB. Nalia and Imoen have the Intelligence to learn it. Aerie and Jan can learn it if their Intelligence is temporarily boosted with potions.

    IMHO the toughest dragon is Draconis in Throne of Bhaal. Much of the difficulty with Firkraag is the relatively low level of the party when you meet him but your party are demi-gods when they meet Draconis and he is still hard to kill.
    There are Lower Resistant Scrolls,

    In one of the chests in the room where the blind, former Unseeing Eye followers are "living", next to the room with the tomb with the Kangaax skeleton pieces (so it's free whoop, whoop)

    The merchant you save from a mugger at night in the "City Gates" area sells one.

    There are others dotted around, you really need it long before TOB IMO.

    StummvonBordwehr
  • squirossquiros Member Posts: 20
    i only play vanilla bgt, so i'm not sure if this works anymore. but feeblemind replaces dragon scripts. essentially, they will lose all of their spells and innate abilities. they won't attack until half health and even then, will only use their melee attacks. feeblemind also isn't hostile (i believe this was changed) so you can cast until it succeeds. 

    semiticgod
  • BorekBorek Member Posts: 313
    squiros said:

    i only play vanilla bgt, so i'm not sure if this works anymore. but feeblemind replaces dragon scripts. essentially, they will lose all of their spells and innate abilities. they won't attack until half health and even then, will only use their melee attacks. feeblemind also isn't hostile (i believe this was changed) so you can cast until it succeeds. 

    Not 100% sure as i don't tend to use the spell much, but i think if it works then the enemy literally just stays in 1 spot drooling on the floor and will not retaliate at all whilst you beat it to death.

    ThacoBellsemiticgod
  • UnderstandMouseMagicUnderstandMouseMagic Member Posts: 1,758
    Borek said:

    squiros said:

    i only play vanilla bgt, so i'm not sure if this works anymore. but feeblemind replaces dragon scripts. essentially, they will lose all of their spells and innate abilities. they won't attack until half health and even then, will only use their melee attacks. feeblemind also isn't hostile (i believe this was changed) so you can cast until it succeeds. 

    Not 100% sure as i don't tend to use the spell much, but i think if it works then the enemy literally just stays in 1 spot drooling on the floor and will not retaliate at all whilst you beat it to death.
    I use it and if it lands that's exactly what happens to dragons. It allows me to mess around and share out the "dragon kills" between the NPC. Then each NPC has a nice named enemy in their record to be proud of.
    Very silly I know.

    BorekPermidion_Starktbone1
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 6,611

    Borek said:

    squiros said:

    i only play vanilla bgt, so i'm not sure if this works anymore. but feeblemind replaces dragon scripts. essentially, they will lose all of their spells and innate abilities. they won't attack until half health and even then, will only use their melee attacks. feeblemind also isn't hostile (i believe this was changed) so you can cast until it succeeds. 

    Not 100% sure as i don't tend to use the spell much, but i think if it works then the enemy literally just stays in 1 spot drooling on the floor and will not retaliate at all whilst you beat it to death.
    I use it and if it lands that's exactly what happens to dragons. It allows me to mess around and share out the "dragon kills" between the NPC. Then each NPC has a nice named enemy in their record to be proud of.
    Very silly I know.
    @UnderstandMouseMagic Hah! I do that too! Everyone has to have a powerful enemy on their kill list. My character has to have the most powerful one typically. My romance has to have the second most powerful one usually.

    The first time I played BG2, however, I used Feeblemind on Lavok. It took me a while to figure out why he wouldn't die. Finally I guessed he was supposed to surrender and I dispelled him.

    UnderstandMouseMagic
  • UnderstandMouseMagicUnderstandMouseMagic Member Posts: 1,758
    edited September 2017
    @Tresset

    Glad I'm not the only one. :)

    I might start a thread about it and ask who people see as being the most deserving of the various kills and why.

    Poor Lavok, trying to do the right thing at the end and some careless Bhaalspawn comes along and feebleminds him so he can't remember WTF is going on.

    "So" says Valagar, " you want to see the sky one last time?"
    "What's the sky" mumbles Lavok, " can you eat it, I'm feeling a bit peckish? And you are...?"

    Tresset
  • ZaghoulZaghoul Member, Moderator Posts: 2,331
    By joining him. ;) I am hoping one of our excellent modders will come up with a 'workin for the man' mod with lots more quests for master Firkraag. That would be awesome. Especially for some of us humanoid race players. B) Ogres, lil kobolds, gnolls, orcs,etc.

    ShikaoUnderstandMouseMagic
  • molemole Member Posts: 1
    Beat Thax'll at level 10 and Firky at level 12. No cheese from cloudkill or traps. The key to fighting dragons is the anti-fear and protection against their chosen breath weapon, plus encircling them. Do NOT engage in melee unless you absolutely have to. First job is to debuff their saves and magic resistance.

    Party for Firky:

    Keldorn
    CHARNAME_2 - Adfric, Elven Fighter/Thief I did BG1 with
    CHARNAME_1 - Ranwen, Human Ranger/Cleric
    Jaheira
    Jan
    Nalia

    So 2 divine casters, 2 arcane casters, 3 fighters. Only one character (Adfric) died, but he's quite squishy due to dual-wielding CF and Peridan.

    Summoned skeleton warriors, plus Jaheira's Fire Elemental and Nymph.
    Buff up pre-fight - Protection from Evil, Resist Fire, Remove Fear, Stoneskin, Mirror Image, Draw upon Holy Might (both Bhaalspawn in the party can do this).

    Ranwen tanked, Flail of Ages + Saving Grace, Holy Might, Blade Barrier.
    Keldorn had the big heavy crossbow from the beholder cult loaded up with Bolts of Biting.
    Jan and Nally had Bolts of Wounding, Jaheira Sunstone Bullets.
    Jan had the Robe of Vecna on so super-fast casting time.

    Round 1-2 - debuff ol' fiery. Pierce Magic x 2, Doom, Greater Malison, Miscast Magic, Insect Plague, Keldorn super-dispel.
    Round 3 onwards - mages spam Magic Missile, Jan tries a Feeblemind (occasionally that sticks, and it's VERY funny).
    As soon as any summons die, Jaheira re-summons. A screen of mobs around him so Firk only knocks a few party members down with wing buffet at a time.

    Ardul
  • inkblowoutinkblowout Member Posts: 42
    OP Update: I know this could be considered as Nercoing since this post is pretty old. But ever since I made this thread you guys have have made my dragon battles a lot, lot easier for me and you guys are awesome for that.

    Hell I would even say that fighting dragons is my favourite battles in BG2. (Shame there is only 9 existing dragons in the entire game. And I only killed 6 of them :( because being a good guy and all.)

    I've also recorded some of the fights since I did enjoy them so much. :)

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=kwNS4wnTjIA&index=3&list=PLNPGGHcRM4qvgymvyNjMFg7tKWfNTmW_r

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=E5P8E4E4ydA&index=4&list=PLNPGGHcRM4qvgymvyNjMFg7tKWfNTmW_r

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=kiBPudvLjDI&index=2&list=PLNPGGHcRM4qvgymvyNjMFg7tKWfNTmW_r

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=eXKGjR9A-7w&list=PLNPGGHcRM4qvgymvyNjMFg7tKWfNTmW_r&index=1

  • Drizzt150Drizzt150 Member Posts: 3
    Usually I bring a monk and just use Quivering palm and he dies

  • AttalusAttalus Member Posts: 156
    All three mages (Immie, Nalia, and Neera) have Chain Contingency loaded with a combo of Lower Magic Resistance, Breach, and Abu-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting, and then they fire spell sequencers with a mix of Chromatic Orb and Magic Missile. Works like a charm. But, yeah, Protection from Fire and fear are pretty much a must.

  • matricematrice Member Posts: 86
    edited April 12
    a technique that you can use against any tough opponent (i think only 3 of them who are really special among boss are immune to it): fatality + malediction + bolt of jansen.

    btw; most (but one) dragons die all the time to malediction + finger of death (but you mb don't have the level for it)

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