I am wondering how such a "free Steam key giveaway" would run financially.
Lets say everyone from us who bought BGEE from Beamdog gets a Steam key. Who will pay Valve for this key? Valve will certainly not hand out these keys for free as Valve needs to maintain his Servers and the Traffic has also to be paid. My thesis would be: Atari, Beamdog, Wizards of the coast or Valve have to pay for the keys. And I doubt that it will be Valve or Wizards... so Beamdog or Atari... and if I remember correctly.. Atari is a jerk So Beamdog will have to pay for the Steamkeys. And my question is: Why should they?
Lets say Valve wants to have their 30% of the original price for the keys.. then perhaps 6 Dollars have to be paid for each "free" key for you... Beamdog will effectivly loose money because you guys who prefer Steam above all think you deserve a key.
Edited excessive profanity. This is a PG-13 site; please watch your language. -Jalily
Lets say Valve wants to have their 30% of the original price for the keys.. then perhaps 6 Dollars have to be paid for each "free" key for you... Beamdog will effectivly loose money because you guys who prefer Steam above all think you deserve a key.
If that was the case BeamDog would inform us and negate any steam keys. I don't think the company is big enough to pay for keys. I preordered game and If there was symbolic payment for steam key(like 2 or 3 dollars) I would gladly pay it.
Aside from this: please stop these lazy speculations without any real proof or real knowledge how things work up there. You're trying to steer people up by showing steam users as greedy demon spawn. Many other games went to steam and old users got their steam keys without problems. Look at Euro Truck Simulator 2 - game from a small Czech(if I am correct) developer.
Exactly, all Steam users are filthy people who wash their hands in the blood of dead Developers . Please do not interprete things in my text I never said. Steam is a monolith in the gaming enviroment. And a defacto monopol is never good. Problem is: Steam is too good
But nevertheless I will not stop posting something like this only because you feel disturbed by the way I am trying to think about these keys. Sure, there is no proof. But honestly, you also have no proof that Valve will give away these keys for free.
Valve frequently gives steam keys to indie developers who publish their games, so that players can buy direct from the developer while still using Steam.
So there's precedent, but it still requires going through the proper channels to get it set up, and Atari is the hinging point here.
But nevertheless I will not stop posting something like this only because you feel disturbed by the way I am trying to think about these keys. Sure, there is no proof. But honestly, you also have no proof that Valve will give away these keys for free.
Oh I see the pot is calling the kettle black. I never said they gave keys for free. They(the small developer) supplied their loyal fan base with keys after steam release. I'm glad BeamDog can understand our point of view and is working on getting us the keys. And I asked you to stop posting those type of messages, because those are just speculations, which don't hold any worth to the topic and their only goal is to show steam users in bad light, not because I'm disturbed by it. People can read your post and take it seriously. That's how gossips and lies start to spread.
Valve frequently gives steam keys to indie developers who publish their games, so that players can buy direct from the developer while still using Steam.
So there's precedent, but it still requires going through the proper channels to get it set up, and Atari is the hinging point here.
PhoenixDown, I didn't want to show steam users in a bad light, I wanted to encourage thinking about getting Keys for free when PERHAPS the developer has to pay the price for that.
And I don't want to get philosophical about your comment about gossip and lies... because if you think like that noone is ever allowed to think and say it out load because it could be untrue in the end
But what the hell, I am not here to have a fight with you. Lets play some games.
@Kitteh_On_A_Cloud I wasn't asking for a response from you, I was trying to say @Lifat misunderstood what I was trying to say, though to be fair I didn't say it that well.
I'm saying attacking the "steam fanbois" isn't going to help any chances of them buying BG2:EE directly from Beamdog which would be better since Beamdog would get more revenue per copy.
Though I guess to both your points if Beamdog can't promise Steam keys with a direct purchase of BG2:EE then the chance of hardcore Steam users buying it direct is probably equal to that of a paper cat being chased through hell by cerbeus.
And I agree having it direct is obviously better because it is DRM free.
The fact that Steam can make more money on a game they just host for download then the people that modified it so it was playable on modern machines is ridiculous.
Since Atari wanted it on Steam, why doesn't the 30% cut Steam gets come out of Atari's share?
I don't quite get why so many people seem to want a steam key... right now I have a completely unrestricted version of BG:EE that I can play on any computer I'd like, offline or online, without any client. It's as close to DRM-free as you can get these days (you need an internet connection to validate the first time you boot, that's it). Why would I want to take that product, and force myself to run a client while I play?
Honestly the only thing I'd use from Steam that I can't get with what I have now is # of hours played (and I'm not sure I want to know that number...), and I'd rather keep my game DRM-free than have something that trivial.
I love Steam, but even I must agree with you. I love the BGEE Launcher! And you know what... I fear many people would just try to sell their steam keys since they already had beamdog version... Still most indies out there give steam keys... If there was a way to associate the beamdog acc with a steam key, beamdog could be sure that keys were for personal use!
btw Steam give out keys to the developer but for copies of BGEE -bought on steam- then yes 30%(maybe)+atari share.
I like Steam. I also like the fact that BG:EE is now available through them.
What I don't get is people who talk like the fact that it's now available through Steam suddenly makes BG:EE something different than it was before. A STEAMGAME. Like it somehow evolved like a Pokémon into a whole different product. Come on.
It should be obvious by now that Steam is just a platform. Nobody was "ripped off" because you were "forced" to buy through Beamdog when it came out.
I don't think Beamdog owes anyone Steam keys, and if they do get us that, I'll consider it a little gift. Hell, I like Overhaul so much for bringing this game back in the first place that I wouldn't mind buying it a second time on Steam just to support them.
@everyone angrily demanding steam keys, a few things to keep in mind:
1. The decision to release BG:EE on Steam was made by Atari, not Overhaul. 2. Steam is making more money per sale than Overhaul is on each sale through Steam; this means that Overhaul is being screwed out of profits it was expecting already; and, based on all these discussions, is going to be even further screwed out of their profits by people returning BG:EE and re-buying it through Steam; this is all very messed up. 3. Despite all this, Trent is actively trying to convince Atari to give Steam keys to those that have already purchased through Beamdog. 4. As I understand it, Overhaul does not have direct control over updating the Steam version of the game, so that may be one way in which it falls behind...
Please consider the facts before you start b*tching about Overhaul. I know everyone in the world is in love with Steam, but Atari releasing this game on Steam is potentially really hurting this development team.
@everyone angrily demanding steam keys, a few things to keep in mind:
1. The decision to release BG:EE on Steam was made by Atari, not Overhaul. 2. Steam is making more money per sale than Overhaul is on each sale through Steam; this means that Overhaul is being screwed out of profits it was expecting already; and, based on all these discussions, is going to be even further screwed out of their profits by people returning BG:EE and re-buying it through Steam; this is all very messed up. 3. Despite all this, Trent is actively trying to convince Atari to give Steam keys to those that have already purchased through Beamdog. 4. As I understand it, Overhaul does not have direct control over updating the Steam version of the game, so that may be one way in which it falls behind...
Please consider the facts before you start b*tching about Overhaul. I know everyone in the world is in love with Steam, but Atari releasing this game on Steam is potentially really hurting this development team.
Fully agreed. It's not like Valve needs anymore money. It's Overhaul that needs the money the most at this point. And Valve is just sucking away part of that much needed money right now.
The fact that Steam can make more money on a game they just host for download then the people that modified it so it was playable on modern machines is ridiculous.
Since Atari wanted it on Steam, why doesn't the 30% cut Steam gets come out of Atari's share?
Same thing applies to Beamdog (and Atari) in that case. Digital distribution costs money and manpower. Steam (and Beamdog, and Atari) provide that in return for a cut. Not to mention that exposure through a major distributor like Steam generates additional sales. Ask Overhaul if they'd rather take on the task of maintaining servers and distributing their game all on their own.
I'm a fairly new gamer and I actually got started in this style of RPGs with Spiderweb Software's various products (Avernum, Avadon) for both PC and iPad. Once I realized how much I enjoyed this style of game, I started doing research and learned about the BG series of games.
I bought BG:EE directly from Overhaul using Beamdog. In the past, I'd gotten a couple of other games from Steam but am not sold on it as the 'be-all/end-all' of delivery methods. It's nice and it's convenient to have my games in one place, but I'll willingly trade convenience for the chance to assist the developers of these great games.
After playing BG:EE for a couple of weeks, I went to GOG and bought the original BG 1 Complete, BG 2 Complete, and the Complete Icewind Dale sets. I've been grinding through the boards learning how to mod/tweak the games and in general how to get the most out of the games. I know it will take some time to work my way through all of them, but there's probably no better way to show your support for these games then to buy them, via whatever platform they are available.
And, to be honest, if I felt I absolutely had to have the convenience of BG:EE via Steam, I would probably pay for it again. I know the majority of the money won't end up with the developers, but if at least some of it is getting to them, then they will have been rewarded for all of their hard work on the game.
Tons of you people bitching about steam taking a cut. Failing to realize how many more sales steam will provide than not. Steam is huge, has huge player base. Those people who loved BG, and didn't know about BG:EE will get it, unexposed players will get it. The amount of sales on steam alone will more than make up for steam/valves cut. This is a marketing investment.
Unless you all think BG:EE wont do well enough on steam...then that may cause issues with 30% I am confident that BG:EE will do much better being on steam than not.
*Shrug* Don't care at all about getting a steam key. I can play the game now that's what matters. Atari are dicks anyway so i doubt they are going to give free keys.
Tons of you people bitching about steam taking a cut. Failing to realize how many more sales steam will provide than not. Steam is huge, has huge player base. Those people who loved BG, and didn't know about BG:EE will get it, unexposed players will get it. The amount of sales on steam alone will more than make up for steam/valves cut. This is a marketing investment.
Unless you all think BG:EE wont do well enough on steam...then that may cause issues with 30% I am confident that BG:EE will do much better being on steam than not.
Just to confirm this, BG:EE is currently on the second place on the "Top Sellers" list on Steam.
Tons of you people bitching about steam taking a cut. Failing to realize how many more sales steam will provide than not. Steam is huge, has huge player base. Those people who loved BG, and didn't know about BG:EE will get it, unexposed players will get it. The amount of sales on steam alone will more than make up for steam/valves cut. This is a marketing investment.
Unless you all think BG:EE wont do well enough on steam...then that may cause issues with 30% I am confident that BG:EE will do much better being on steam than not.
Just to confirm this, BG:EE is currently on the second place on the "Top Sellers" list on Steam.
Being on steam is a HUGE step forward for BG:EE and all these people whining against it are like little children scared of the outside world. STEAM IS GOOD. STEAM WILL MAKE YOU MONEY.
Tons of you people bitching about steam taking a cut. Failing to realize how many more sales steam will provide than not. Steam is huge, has huge player base. Those people who loved BG, and didn't know about BG:EE will get it, unexposed players will get it. The amount of sales on steam alone will more than make up for steam/valves cut. This is a marketing investment.
Unless you all think BG:EE wont do well enough on steam...then that may cause issues with 30% I am confident that BG:EE will do much better being on steam than not.
Just to confirm this, BG:EE is currently on the second place on the "Top Sellers" list on Steam.
Being on steam is a HUGE step forward for BG:EE and all these people whining against it are like little children scared of the outside world. STEAM IS GOOD. STEAM WILL MAKE YOU MONEY.
Yes, the people complaining about the developers losing money due to a distributor that takes too much of a cut are the children, not the people demanding steam keys and b*tching at Overhaul for no reason, good point (/sarcasm)
I'm glad to see the game on steam for one reason: exposure; but that in no way makes it a good situation. The developers should have had a say in this decision and should make a fair cut. In fact, developers should make more than distributors in the digital marketplace...
for those yelling "STEAM IS GOOD," all Steam has done is capitalize on the fact that the digital market didn't have competent distribution. The reason that developers take so little profit from physical copies of games is the stream of production: developer->publisher->distributor->retailer, out of the profits the devs end up with very little. Steam simply came along and assumed the role of distributor and retailer for digital games (despite digital games not technically needing these roles to exist independently of the devs) and started taking a big slice of the profits.
I don't dislike that a company like Steam exists, I just wish they had a higher standard of business ethics. Yes, it's very convenient to have all your games collected in one place, but have a little accountability as a consumer and look into the businesses that you give your money to. That's my rant.
Anyway, the point is that Overhaul should have been involved in this decision, ideally they'd be taking a larger cut of the profits and be directly involved in updating/patching the Steam version of the game.
I don't understand the complaints over the 30% cut. Guess what guys, it's the cost of doing business. Valve does it, Microsoft does it, Apple does it. Cuts in retail is usually worse. Valve is not being greedy. Bandwidth, store maintenance and support, and credit card processing all cost money.
Does it suck that Valve is making more money than Beamdog? Yes, but sadly that's just something that happens when you have several companies owning an IP.
Anyway, the point is that Overhaul should have been involved in this decision, ideally they'd be taking a larger cut of the profits and be directly involved in updating/patching the Steam version of the game.
One of the things that is the lamest on Atari's part here, is since they are acting as the middle man so Overhaul isn't directly involved in updating the Steam version... Overhaul's effort to sync updates for multiplayer compatibility is undermined.
Which now, I'm assuming they are going to have to plan to work around by checking your version and only matching you with people of the same version, and if you try to join a friend on different version have it inform you that it won't work blahblahblah, not that, that would be impossible but it wasn't the direction they had in mind, and Atari undermined their decision making process with no warning.
I think you fail to realize that most of the people are upset with it being on Steam, not because it is on Steam, but because of how Atari handled it. How Atari is the middle man between updates so Overhaul has less control of the version on Steam. Overhaul wasn't involved in the decision at all, and the 30% cut that Steam gets is coming out of Overhauls pocket not Atari's.
Overhaul does the work and Atari gets most of the money, Steam gets 30%, and then Overhaul gets <=29%.
Here is a question that might help you understand why people are not super happy with Atari at the moment.
Do you think, that since Atari made the call without consulting Overhaul to go to Steam at this moment, and Overhaul has no ability to work directly with Steam to handle updates or getting free keys, that Steam's cut should be coming out of Atari's cut and not Overhaul's?
Furthermore, if Atari wasn't acting as the middle man and was letting Overhaul work directly with Steam, everyone who bought from Beamdog would most likely already have Steam keys.
The only person blocking Beamdog purchasers from getting Steam keys at this point IS Atari.
So if you want original Beamdog purchasers to get Steam keys and they don't. YOU should be unhappy with Atari.
WE want Overhaul to get the revenue they deserve for the work they have done so WE are unhappy with Atari.
I think if we all stopped for a moment and looked at what is going on every single person with any number of different views on Steam and Steam keys for original purchasers, would all be pissed at Atari.
TL:DR
Steam is not the problem. Overhaul is not the problem.
I'll be buying all the BG EE games directly from Beamdog, regardless of Steam availability, assuming pricing remains similar.
I think you guys do good work and I gather this is the best way to support you, looking at Trent's remarks earlier. If I get a Steam key then yay (i have a pretty big Steam library) but if it costs you guys $ and there is a way to opt out (or better, to make it opt-in) then please let us know.
I am wondering how such a "free Steam key giveaway" would run financially.
Lets say everyone from us who bought BGEE from Beamdog gets a Steam key. Who will pay Valve for this key? Valve will certainly not hand out these keys for free as Valve needs to maintain his Servers and the Traffic has also to be paid. My thesis would be: Atari, Beamdog, Wizards of the coast or Valve have to pay for the keys. And I doubt that it will be Valve or Wizards... so Beamdog or Atari... and if I remember correctly.. Atari is a jerk So Beamdog will have to pay for the Steamkeys. And my question is: Why should they?
Lets say Valve wants to have their 30% of the original price for the keys.. then perhaps 6 Dollars have to be paid for each "free" key for you... Beamdog will effectivly loose money because you guys who prefer Steam above all think you deserve a key.
Wrong, Valve allows developers for quite a while now to hand out free steam keys.
Yes, it wouldn't cost Overhaul anything if they get the free keys, but Atari is the one handing Steam, because they went around Overhaul.
So Steam does NO business with Overhaul. Atari would have to request the keys from Steam and then Atari would have to give them to Overhaul to give them to their customers.
So the people that are mad at Overhaul and demanding keys are wrong, because as it stands Overhaul can't do anything other than ask Atari to give them to them. Which Overhaul has already done.
@moopy Yes I know that. I just wanted to clarify, that Steam isn't the problem for free Steam keys. I actually wonder if Overhaul gets any of the money from sales on Steam.
BTW why does Atari still hold the rights? I thought they lost all their DnD licences to Hasbro in 2011.
This hasn't been said, but I'm willing to guess from knowing Atari that the contract reads that they get X% of each sell and Overhaul gets the rest which is (100 -X)%
Since I am willing to bet Atari's cut is hard and set, that with Steams cut Overhaul gets (100-30-X)%
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Lets say everyone from us who bought BGEE from Beamdog gets a Steam key. Who will pay Valve for this key? Valve will certainly not hand out these keys for free as Valve needs to maintain his Servers and the Traffic has also to be paid. My thesis would be: Atari, Beamdog, Wizards of the coast or Valve have to pay for the keys. And I doubt that it will be Valve or Wizards... so Beamdog or Atari... and if I remember correctly.. Atari is a jerk
So Beamdog will have to pay for the Steamkeys. And my question is: Why should they?
Lets say Valve wants to have their 30% of the original price for the keys.. then perhaps 6 Dollars have to be paid for each "free" key for you... Beamdog will effectivly loose money because you guys who prefer Steam above all think you deserve a key.
Edited excessive profanity. This is a PG-13 site; please watch your language. -Jalily
Aside from this: please stop these lazy speculations without any real proof or real knowledge how things work up there. You're trying to steer people up by showing steam users as greedy demon spawn. Many other games went to steam and old users got their steam keys without problems. Look at Euro Truck Simulator 2 - game from a small Czech(if I am correct) developer.
But nevertheless I will not stop posting something like this only because you feel disturbed by the way I am trying to think about these keys. Sure, there is no proof. But honestly, you also have no proof that Valve will give away these keys for free.
So there's precedent, but it still requires going through the proper channels to get it set up, and Atari is the hinging point here.
The only problem I see is that Atari would not seem to be an Indie Developer
Fingers crossed for all you Steamusers.
And I asked you to stop posting those type of messages, because those are just speculations, which don't hold any worth to the topic and their only goal is to show steam users in bad light, not because I'm disturbed by it. People can read your post and take it seriously. That's how gossips and lies start to spread. Very cool! I hope you guys succeed!
And I don't want to get philosophical about your comment about gossip and lies... because if you think like that noone is ever allowed to think and say it out load because it could be untrue in the end
But what the hell, I am not here to have a fight with you. Lets play some games.
I'm saying attacking the "steam fanbois" isn't going to help any chances of them buying BG2:EE directly from Beamdog which would be better since Beamdog would get more revenue per copy.
Though I guess to both your points if Beamdog can't promise Steam keys with a direct purchase of BG2:EE then the chance of hardcore Steam users buying it direct is probably equal to that of a paper cat being chased through hell by cerbeus.
And I agree having it direct is obviously better because it is DRM free.
Since Atari wanted it on Steam, why doesn't the 30% cut Steam gets come out of Atari's share?
And you know what... I fear many people would just try to sell their steam keys since they already had beamdog version... Still most indies out there give steam keys... If there was a way to associate the beamdog acc with a steam key, beamdog could be sure that keys were for personal use!
btw Steam give out keys to the developer but for copies of BGEE -bought on steam- then yes 30%(maybe)+atari share.
What I don't get is people who talk like the fact that it's now available through Steam suddenly makes BG:EE something different than it was before. A STEAMGAME. Like it somehow evolved like a Pokémon into a whole different product. Come on.
It should be obvious by now that Steam is just a platform. Nobody was "ripped off" because you were "forced" to buy through Beamdog when it came out.
I don't think Beamdog owes anyone Steam keys, and if they do get us that, I'll consider it a little gift. Hell, I like Overhaul so much for bringing this game back in the first place that I wouldn't mind buying it a second time on Steam just to support them.
1. The decision to release BG:EE on Steam was made by Atari, not Overhaul.
2. Steam is making more money per sale than Overhaul is on each sale through Steam; this means that Overhaul is being screwed out of profits it was expecting already; and, based on all these discussions, is going to be even further screwed out of their profits by people returning BG:EE and re-buying it through Steam; this is all very messed up.
3. Despite all this, Trent is actively trying to convince Atari to give Steam keys to those that have already purchased through Beamdog.
4. As I understand it, Overhaul does not have direct control over updating the Steam version of the game, so that may be one way in which it falls behind...
Please consider the facts before you start b*tching about Overhaul. I know everyone in the world is in love with Steam, but Atari releasing this game on Steam is potentially really hurting this development team.
I bought BG:EE directly from Overhaul using Beamdog. In the past, I'd gotten a couple of other games from Steam but am not sold on it as the 'be-all/end-all' of delivery methods. It's nice and it's convenient to have my games in one place, but I'll willingly trade convenience for the chance to assist the developers of these great games.
After playing BG:EE for a couple of weeks, I went to GOG and bought the original BG 1 Complete, BG 2 Complete, and the Complete Icewind Dale sets. I've been grinding through the boards learning how to mod/tweak the games and in general how to get the most out of the games. I know it will take some time to work my way through all of them, but there's probably no better way to show your support for these games then to buy them, via whatever platform they are available.
And, to be honest, if I felt I absolutely had to have the convenience of BG:EE via Steam, I would probably pay for it again. I know the majority of the money won't end up with the developers, but if at least some of it is getting to them, then they will have been rewarded for all of their hard work on the game.
Unless you all think BG:EE wont do well enough on steam...then that may cause issues with 30% I am confident that BG:EE will do much better being on steam than not.
I'm glad to see the game on steam for one reason: exposure; but that in no way makes it a good situation. The developers should have had a say in this decision and should make a fair cut. In fact, developers should make more than distributors in the digital marketplace...
for those yelling "STEAM IS GOOD," all Steam has done is capitalize on the fact that the digital market didn't have competent distribution. The reason that developers take so little profit from physical copies of games is the stream of production: developer->publisher->distributor->retailer, out of the profits the devs end up with very little. Steam simply came along and assumed the role of distributor and retailer for digital games (despite digital games not technically needing these roles to exist independently of the devs) and started taking a big slice of the profits.
I don't dislike that a company like Steam exists, I just wish they had a higher standard of business ethics. Yes, it's very convenient to have all your games collected in one place, but have a little accountability as a consumer and look into the businesses that you give your money to. That's my rant.
Anyway, the point is that Overhaul should have been involved in this decision, ideally they'd be taking a larger cut of the profits and be directly involved in updating/patching the Steam version of the game.
Does it suck that Valve is making more money than Beamdog? Yes, but sadly that's just something that happens when you have several companies owning an IP.
Which now, I'm assuming they are going to have to plan to work around by checking your version and only matching you with people of the same version, and if you try to join a friend on different version have it inform you that it won't work blahblahblah, not that, that would be impossible but it wasn't the direction they had in mind, and Atari undermined their decision making process with no warning.
I think you fail to realize that most of the people are upset with it being on Steam, not because it is on Steam, but because of how Atari handled it. How Atari is the middle man between updates so Overhaul has less control of the version on Steam. Overhaul wasn't involved in the decision at all, and the 30% cut that Steam gets is coming out of Overhauls pocket not Atari's.
Overhaul does the work and Atari gets most of the money, Steam gets 30%, and then Overhaul gets <=29%.
Here is a question that might help you understand why people are not super happy with Atari at the moment.
Do you think, that since Atari made the call without consulting Overhaul to go to Steam at this moment, and Overhaul has no ability to work directly with Steam to handle updates or getting free keys, that Steam's cut should be coming out of Atari's cut and not Overhaul's?
Furthermore, if Atari wasn't acting as the middle man and was letting Overhaul work directly with Steam, everyone who bought from Beamdog would most likely already have Steam keys.
The only person blocking Beamdog purchasers from getting Steam keys at this point IS Atari.
So if you want original Beamdog purchasers to get Steam keys and they don't. YOU should be unhappy with Atari.
WE want Overhaul to get the revenue they deserve for the work they have done so WE are unhappy with Atari.
I think if we all stopped for a moment and looked at what is going on every single person with any number of different views on Steam and Steam keys for original purchasers, would all be pissed at Atari.
TL:DR
Steam is not the problem.
Overhaul is not the problem.
Atari is the problem.
I'll be buying all the BG EE games directly from Beamdog, regardless of Steam availability, assuming pricing remains similar.
I think you guys do good work and I gather this is the best way to support you, looking at Trent's remarks earlier. If I get a Steam key then yay (i have a pretty big Steam library) but if it costs you guys $ and there is a way to opt out (or better, to make it opt-in) then please let us know.
Not everyone is married to Steam
Edited profanity from quoted post. -Jalily
Yes, it wouldn't cost Overhaul anything if they get the free keys, but Atari is the one handing Steam, because they went around Overhaul.
So Steam does NO business with Overhaul. Atari would have to request the keys from Steam and then Atari would have to give them to Overhaul to give them to their customers.
So the people that are mad at Overhaul and demanding keys are wrong, because as it stands Overhaul can't do anything other than ask Atari to give them to them. Which Overhaul has already done.
Yes I know that. I just wanted to clarify, that Steam isn't the problem for free Steam keys. I actually wonder if Overhaul gets any of the money from sales on Steam.
BTW why does Atari still hold the rights? I thought they lost all their DnD licences to Hasbro in 2011.
This hasn't been said, but I'm willing to guess from knowing Atari that the contract reads that they get X% of each sell and Overhaul gets the rest which is (100 -X)%
Since I am willing to bet Atari's cut is hard and set, that with Steams cut Overhaul gets (100-30-X)%
This is just conjecture on my part.