What thief class you like most to be the new female companion in bg2 ee?

Sachery

Kaltzor

Swashbuckler or Shadow Dancer... But I think Shadow Dancer would be more likely of those 2 if they added one, as the NPC would prolly be one of the Shadow Thieves and they don't exactly fit the role of Swashbucklers.

Wowo

Human female evil Assassin with 17 strength and 17 wisdom - or able to gain buffs to arrive here - to facilitate dualing at a time and to a class that suits the player. 17 int is an option too but undoubtedly overkill (I think corrupting Neera to embrace the destructive side of her wild magic would be a more elegant source of an additional evil Mage).

Being able to corrupt Rashaad following the loss of his brother would be great too.

The new character being a human subrace that can still dual would be great. Maybe a plane touched of some sort; an evil aasimar would be awesome or maybe a water genasi.

elminster

I know the Shadowdancer is the new class, so that is probably what they will go with, but I'd rather an assassin. To me its just an opportunity for more interesting dialogue.

SionIV

I hope for a swashbuckler. It's a great kit that is very underestimated. By far the best kit to dual class from if you're planning on doing it between 1-11.

Jagged

I'm actually really hoping for a human swashbuckler with 17 wisdom so she can be dualed to a cleric.

SionIV

Jagged said:

I'm actually really hoping for a human swashbuckler with 17 wisdom so she can be dualed to a cleric.

That would be great.

It would give us an option to have a thief that can dual class to a cleric.

You also get :

Bonus armor class
Bonus Thac0
Bonus Damage
Weapon specializaion

It would give us a cleric that can fight very well (Depending on when you dual class).

The only problem is C/T have the annoying fact that their open lock thing is in their special ability next to bhaalspawn powers. I love playing C/T and everytime it annoys me that you have to go in there before you can pick a lock.

smeagolheart

SionIV said:

Jagged said:

I'm actually really hoping for a human swashbuckler with 17 wisdom so she can be dualed to a cleric.

That would be great.

It would give us an option to have a thief that can dual class to a cleric.

You also get :

Bonus armor class
Bonus Thac0
Bonus Damage
Weapon specializaion

It would give us a cleric that can fight very well (Depending on when you dual class).

The only problem is C/T have the annoying fact that their open lock thing is in their special ability next to bhaalspawn powers. I love playing C/T and everytime it annoys me that you have to go in there before you can pick a lock.

Agreed. Hopefully @Beamdog addresses that because it's a mightily requested feature

BobC

I'm hoping fighter -> Thief, because I'm a huge fan of the thief or its kits besides the assassin.

SionIV

BobC said:

I'm hoping fighter -> Thief, because I'm a huge fan of the thief or its kits besides the assassin.

The problem with this is that then it isn't a single class thief anymore. We already know we'll get a single class thief, the question would be if it's a human or not. If it's human we can dual class him/her, if it's an elf we can't.

Also just curiouse. If it's a figher -> Thief you can't get one of the thief kit's your interested in?

I'm sorry if i understood your post wrong.

[Edited] : or you might have forgotten to put a 'Not' in? "Because i'm not a huge fan of the thief or it's kits besides the assassin"

DJKajuru

I'd prefer a neutral fighter - so far SoA has only got Jaheira.

shawne

Swashbuckler. Evil parties have Dorn and Korgan (and non-caster PCs), there's really no need for another melee attacker.

As for race, I'm hoping she's a gnome - all the gnome NPCs in BG are male (Jan, Quayle, Tiax), it'd be nice to have another woman on the team who isn't an elf or half-elf.

Dee

@shawne That may have been because until now the gnome paperdolls were all male.

SionIV

Dee said:

@shawne That may have been because until now the gnome paperdolls were all male.

... Are you telling me that my gnome female can't be a very manly little lady? I'm quite fond of that beard on her, thank you very much!

zur312

i hope for swash assasin or shadow dancer either dwarf or human that can dual to something interesting like mage/fighter/cleric

kamuizin

From what i heard, the character is already developed. I don't think remake that char is possible or even raised as an option.

Edit: but for the fun of the discussion... i would rather state which options i would not want to take place:

Common thief -> because we already have 3 (even if multi) as common. BG2 gonna through the entire saga, until the end of ToB. We have time then to work with less than 25 skill pts if needed.
Bounty hunter -> Already have Yoshimo, and isn't a good class either, i hate classes which advantages become useless when the game reach HLAs (Skald x improved bard song HLA and Bounty Hunter x Time trap/spike trap/explosion trap)
Swashbuckler -> We have fighters in evil options, Korgan, Dorn and

Sarevok in ToB

, and good ones by the way (or bad, very bad and mean ones XD).
Non Thief Class -> then the whole problem would continue, no thief for evil parties.

elminster

Well we have an evil elf, an evil dwarf, and two evil humans. So I'm going to expand on what I said earlier and go with a evil gnome assassin. Nobody expects a gnome will be what does them in >:D

Tyranus

I'd love to see an illegal NE Halfling Cleric/Shadowdancer. Barring that, if they make its race Human please grant it the stats necessary to dual them into a Mage/Cleric/Druid. Perhaps give them character specific quests that will raise their stats high enough to unlock dual options, but are mutually exclusive.

KidCarnival

Vanilla thief, to keep her as versatile as possible. You can put points in whatever you want to focus on, and not have a choice of playstyle made for you. If you want something specialized and/or can do without a certain skill, you can always roll a kitted charname. I think a vanilla thief has the greatest potential to make most people happy.

kamuizin

Tyranus said:

I'd love to see an illegal NE Halfling Cleric/Shadowdancer. Barring that, if they make its race Human please grant it the stats necessary to dual them into a Mage/Cleric/Druid. Perhaps give them character specific quests that will raise their stats high enough to unlock dual options, but are mutually exclusive.

Druid would need the character to be neutral, it's already set that the character will be evil, if i'm not wrong.

Mordeus

I hope it isn't the Shadow Dancer since that is rather temperamental and too niche of a kit (at least for now). Not to mention that it is a 3ed prestige class, and I much rather they stick to 2ed kits.

It's cliche but I'd go with the Assassin, out of the thief kits that one seems the most logical for an Evil Thief, especially if she has history with the Shadow Thieves. Though the Swashbuckler would be nice if the thief has a history with the Nelanther Pirates.

Though the safest thing would be to choose the True Thief since that is the ultimate compromise. It might not please everyone but it wouldn't be the most polarising choice.

SCARY_WIZARD

Either Shadowdancer, or Swashbuckler! A sassy pirate lass who can be dualled over to Fighter (or was dualled from Fighter) in the case of the latter, please!
Or a sassy duelist type of gal.
Or a local tough!

or Alassa. Thank you for taking Anomen off my hands, girl.

Wowo

I'm loving the perfect 10 votes each, who would have thought? Maybe the character will start as vanilla and then you can add a kit via choices in the game?

I still like the idea of an evil aasimar assassin.

TaylorTwerk

I voted vanilla because I want even skill distribution anda backstab multiplier. Assassin would be my third choice just because it would provide an interesting backstory but I rather have a better skill distribution.

kamuizin

If they make an assassin, i just hope they give it a good background and a decent motivation to her join the party.

So please, nothing like "hello, i want to adventure. Let's go?"

Sachery

Her background cound be that she is daughter of Semaj and like to have revenge for killed her father. But not normal find/kill way. She wanna lure you into a trap, but when it is too late she found out that she like or love (depends if you take the romance way or not) and you are not to blame for her fathers dead.

She can start out lawful evil and in some point in her story. She can stay as lawful evil or become lawful neutral of what you choice to do in her story.

The reason why I pick shadow, is because I think is a great way for people to see 1 of the new classes


Wonder what people will think, if they had finish, making her and they had made her into a dwarf female bounty hunter.

shawne

Dee said:

@shawne That may have been because until now the gnome paperdolls were all male.

Might as well make use of the new one, then?

Schneidend

It's a toss-up between Thief, Assassin, and Shadowdancer. I like all three. Went with Shadowdancer since it's a new toy I haven't played with yet and might not get the chance before BG2:EE comes out.

Preferably a half-orc or dwarf lady that is romanceable, please.

JuliusBorisov

Maybe it's an unpopular opinion but I'd like her to be a fighter/thief multiclass.

First of all, many players like multiclass characters. They bring something extra, you always have a choice how you will use them, choosing between different abilities. Should I use her thieving skills? Do I really need a backstab to kill this monster? Or should I put the heaviest plate on her to survive this particular fight? Or should she set a trap and afterwards lure an enemy to it and finish him as a pure fighter?

Secondly, this can give her some Shar-Teel's strength and spirit, some Coran's versatility and take away all cons of giving only one dimension that can take place if she's a Shadowdancer or an Assassin.

Thirdly, the existing multiclass NPCs are very popular - Aerie, Jaheira, Jan in BG2, Coran, Montaron, Quale in BG1, so another multiclass NPC that has no alternative between NPCs in BG2 is a good addition. Also it can bring something new in the sence that Dorn, Neera and Rasaad are all special kits and by giving us a multiclass NPC the Devs can show the variety they're capable of: it would feel special to find a good written and a balanced new multiclass character that can stand in a row with BG's finest multiclass NPCs.

Furthermore, this particular combination is very attractive - you can put on a helmet, use two-weapon fighting style, have additional APR and still be a thief that has no downsides. A good THACO helps greatly as far as backstabs are concerned.

Finally, a combination of fighters' and thieves' HLAs can be a reason this character continues to shine in ToB.

And to make this character special the Devs can give her a useful ability - for example, to become invisible once per day.

BobC

my problem with a swashbuckler is it's a wannabe fighter. It gets nice bonuses melee, but the kit still only attacks once per round. Fighter -> Thief still has access to thief HLA and UAI, access in specializing in more than just melee weapons, etc.

The only "pure" thief I'm ok with is the assassin, because while it's not a wannabe fighter, it has the best backstab multiplier in the game.

kamuizin

ppl long for a pure thief for a long time already @bengoshi, Jan is already multi-class Thief/Mage. I would prefer a pure thief human with enough stat points to dual class if so i prefer.