I'm confused. Are we Gorion in this scenario, or Candlekeep?
If the former, does that mean we show up later to haunt the players in a dream, or are we merely the subject of dialogue with old friends trying to remember who they are and where they came from (probably after waking up in a strange dungeon)?
@Malicron - Possibly, and if we are at that part, then doesn't that mean that at the start of the next part of the game we get to recruit Atari into the team?
Not trying to offend anyone, but if you replace Kaiba with Beamdog....I don't know maybe I'm just trying to be funny by trying to make a connection that I can probably only see. lol
Well if BG:EE and BG2:EE never makes it, I can actually imagine the modding community joining forces to fix the issues in BG:EE and to port the BG2 content over to the BG:EE engine, so it might actually work out in the end.
Googly moogly. I've been involved in three ports already (BGT, Tutu, IWD-in-BG2) and I do *not* relish the idea of another.
That being said, even the unpatched EE engine has some distinct advantages over the ToB engine.
I sincerely hope this gets resolved. About a week ago I last looked and it was still available. Today I went out and bought an Itunes card to purchase this game for OS X. Obviously, I was very unhappy to see this. I only have 2 months until school starts and I will be unable to play again. Hopefully you guys can work this out in short order, good luck!
And I just avoided getting BG and BGII in the gog sale because I was going to get it from here. Do we know if this is just a matter of some amount of time, and is likely to ever be resolved?
The original message from Trent sounded like he was confident it would get resolved. However his recent interview at Rock Paper Shotgun his tone indicated things are a lot more dire. That and the fact that they are moving to other projects makes me think it will be a long time ( if ever) before they can return to it. I hope I am wrong.
I never played played BG2, I got myself a copy of BG:EE (I played de original without mods or expansions back in the day) to finally get around the second one, I was really happy with the game so far, I refuse to finish the game, at least until its clear the future of EEs. My post doesn't have nothing to do with anything I just want to thank the ones who bring back such fond memories from an awesome game I played as a kid. There is no use in bitching over stuff like this. Have hope, who knows, maybe they come around with a way to deliver us a great old game once more. Maybe I don't contribute to the forum or to the game in a way I would like, but I certantly (?) check here often because I have a special relation with the franchise and I'm courious to what's going to happend next.
Sincerily,
Ramdom BG:EE fan.
P.S.: The spanish forum sucks as much as my english.
Maybe we'll get lucky and the rights to Baldur's Gate will get sold for a ridiculously low price. Interplay recently picked up Freespace from the THQ sale for $7,500.
It seems there are 3 versions about how BG:EE runs:
1. Flawlessly, no problems at all. 2. Buggy, annoying to the user. 3. Doesn't run at all.
I belong to number 3 and am anxiously waiting for the patch with the new renderer. I really hope, and wish them the best luck, that Beamdog will rise triumphant from the storm and bring the fans the joy they have already started spreading
(On a side note, it was "good" for me that the patch didn't come out yet. I had lots of tests at college and playing BG is really tempting :P)
I know you guys are working hard on it
Just a shot in the dark, but have you tried running in a window? For me it does not run if I start in fullscreen, but if I start in a window it works (and I can switch to fullscreen, just can't start in it)
Thanks to everyone for the support. I'd like to continue the legal digression on this matter.
There is no absolute limit on the duration of a Chapter 11 case. Some Chapter 11 cases wrap up within a few months. Usually, however, it takes at six months to two years for a Chapter 11 case to come to a close.
A Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing for a corporate debtor is a complex process that is usually planned months in advance with the assistance of financial professionals and counsel. The filings are typically voluminous and complex. These cases often move quickly once "first day motions" that commence the case are filed and heard. Sometimes, introductory motions are even filed and heard in an expedited manner because of sensitive issues surrounding the significance of the timing of the bankruptcy filing. That said, due to the size of corporate debtors, their operations, debts, assets, and other similar considerations, cases can span for multiple years just to complete administration of those items.
Ordinarily, the debtor has the exclusive right for four months after it files Chapter 11 to propose a reorganization plan. Upon a showing of good cause, the court can extend the debtor’s “exclusivity period” to file a Chapter 11 plan to up 18 months after the petition date. The court also can shorten the exclusivity period depending on the circumstances.
Sections 363(b) and (f) of the Bankruptcy Code allow a debtor-in-possession to sell the debtor's assets free and clear of any third-party interest under certain conditions.
In addition, section 1123(b)(4) of the Bankruptcy Code authorizes the sale of a debtor's assets pursuant to a chapter 11 plan.
The interaction of the "free and clear" provisions of section 363 with the licensee's election rights pursuant to section 365(n) can create complex issues regarding who owns what rights when the licensee opts to retain its use rights.
It can be concluded with high probability that this is the problem in the current situation.
So without any doubt Atari's bankruptcy profoundly affects the rights of other parties, Beamdog included. And rather than demanding everyday an answer from Overhaul it's better to unwind and wait till some court sessions take place.
Why does this dispute affect a PATCH release? In my mind, that makes no sense whatsoever. The game is off-sale, but that doesn't mean that support for those who have purchased the game should just come to an end!
I was really looking forward to the patch as I can't tolerate playing the game in it's current state. If there is NO patch forthcoming, I would like to see about getting a refund so I can just play the modded old version. Obviously I don't want this to be the case but the whole thing is just pretty exasperating.
What's with this patch anyway? Does it have some incredible Second-Coming level new feature, fixing a game-breaking bug that happens to absolutely everyone except me or something like that, or why are people looking forward to it so damn much and make it such an incredibly big deal?
@bengoshi already answered this question; please see below. Beamdog and Overhaul are not allowed to release any patches. Moreover, they cannot make money from it so long as they are barred from selling further copies of BG:EE.
They only ones who would benefit from the release of a patch are Atari, since they are the only company selling BG:EE (through Steam) at the moment. So Beamdog would effectively be working for free in order to boost Atari's sales.
There is one comment from Trent Oster that I'd like to clarify - is overhaul legally prevented from publishing patches to the already published game, or have they decided they cannot work on the patch because they cannot sell the game any more?
In Trent Oster's announcement on www.baldursgate.com there's the following statement (emphasis mine):
<...>We've taken this step at our publishing partner's request as we attempt to resolve a number of contractual issues <...> until this matter is resolved, we are unable to release the latest Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition patch<...>.
So, it clearly shows that Beamdog & Overhaul Games is not able to publish any patch now.
And Trent Oster's statement sent to Kotaku has the following (again emphasis mine):
<...>From our end, without the hope of revenue to cover salaries, we have to stop work on all Baldur's Gate products, including the patch. Instead, we need to look for new projects to move our team onto.
So, this part means that the work (the process) on the patch is stopped because of no revenue.
Both these parts don't contradict to each other, instead the second quote adds to the first.
Beamdog & Overhaul Games has no legal rights to publish any patch. And as there's no revenue right now, all the work on patches is stopped.
The answer to your question is: Overhaul is legally prevented from publishing patches to the already published game and in the same time because they cannot sell the game any more and cannot get any revenue they decided to stop current and future work on the patch till the moment this matter is decided.
Maybe we'll get lucky and the rights to Baldur's Gate will get sold for a ridiculously low price. Interplay recently picked up Freespace from the THQ sale for $7,500.
No, that is not a typo.
I heard the Shivan's bid $6,500. Earth 1, evil alien race bent on our destruction 0
(On second thought Interplay is just a name at this point, so if anything this is kind of bad news)
Just wanted to show my support for Beamdog, and I really hope you get the issue resolved soon, in a way that will give us BG2:EE and maybe even a BG3 (I have been praying for someone making that game for 10+ years now without much hope, before Beamdog entered the scene)...
And to the people complaining about the game or Beamdog - Please now is not the time, Why didn't you complain before when they actually had control over the game, instead of now when they are having problems? - Just shut it instead, would you, and save it for when it would seem like genuine complaints, instead of some sort of campaign againts a company that already have enough problems on their hands as it is...
What's with this patch anyway? Does it have some incredible Second-Coming level new feature, fixing a game-breaking bug that happens to absolutely everyone except me or something like that, or why are people looking forward to it so damn much and make it such an incredibly big deal?
It's supposed to have a new renderer fixing display problems that plague some of us and thus making the game more playable.
What's with this patch anyway? Does it have some incredible Second-Coming level new feature, fixing a game-breaking bug that happens to absolutely everyone except me or something like that, or why are people looking forward to it so damn much and make it such an incredibly big deal?
It's supposed to have a new renderer fixing display problems that plague some of us and thus making the game more playable.
Is there a certain date (court hearing, auction date, or some such) after which, even if the matter is not resolved, you will better know where things are headed, and how long it'll take to get there (obviously a rough estimate rather than a specific date)?
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If the former, does that mean we show up later to haunt the players in a dream, or are we merely the subject of dialogue with old friends trying to remember who they are and where they came from (probably after waking up in a strange dungeon)?
Also, completely unrelated(?) video, or is it?
Not trying to offend anyone, but if you replace Kaiba with Beamdog....I don't know maybe I'm just trying to be funny by trying to make a connection that I can probably only see. lol
If we're that far along, it's fantastic news; maybe we can turn Atari good, and get our patch and BG2:EE already! :P
That being said, even the unpatched EE engine has some distinct advantages over the ToB engine.
Sincerily,
Ramdom BG:EE fan.
P.S.: The spanish forum sucks as much as my english.
No, that is not a typo.
There is no absolute limit on the duration of a Chapter 11 case. Some Chapter 11 cases wrap up within a few months. Usually, however, it takes at six months to two years for a Chapter 11 case to come to a close.
A Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing for a corporate debtor is a complex process that is usually planned months in advance with the assistance of financial professionals and counsel. The filings are typically voluminous and complex. These cases often move quickly once "first day motions" that commence the case are filed and heard. Sometimes, introductory motions are even filed and heard in an expedited manner because of sensitive issues surrounding the significance of the timing of the bankruptcy filing. That said, due to the size of corporate debtors, their operations, debts, assets, and other similar considerations, cases can span for multiple years just to complete administration of those items.
Ordinarily, the debtor has the exclusive right for four months after it files Chapter 11 to propose a reorganization plan. Upon a showing of good cause, the court can extend the debtor’s “exclusivity period” to file a Chapter 11 plan to up 18 months after the petition date. The court also can shorten the exclusivity period depending on the circumstances.
Sections 363(b) and (f) of the Bankruptcy Code allow a debtor-in-possession to sell the debtor's assets free and clear of any third-party interest under certain conditions.
In addition, section 1123(b)(4) of the Bankruptcy Code authorizes the sale of a debtor's assets pursuant to a chapter 11 plan.
The interaction of the "free and clear" provisions of section 363 with the licensee's election rights pursuant to section 365(n) can create complex issues regarding who owns what rights when the licensee opts to retain its use rights.
It can be concluded with high probability that this is the problem in the current situation.
So without any doubt Atari's bankruptcy profoundly affects the rights of other parties, Beamdog included. And rather than demanding everyday an answer from Overhaul it's better to unwind and wait till some court sessions take place.
Why does this dispute affect a PATCH release? In my mind, that makes no sense whatsoever. The game is off-sale, but that doesn't mean that support for those who have purchased the game should just come to an end!
I was really looking forward to the patch as I can't tolerate playing the game in it's current state. If there is NO patch forthcoming, I would like to see about getting a refund so I can just play the modded old version. Obviously I don't want this to be the case but the whole thing is just pretty exasperating.
They only ones who would benefit from the release of a patch are Atari, since they are the only company selling BG:EE (through Steam) at the moment. So Beamdog would effectively be working for free in order to boost Atari's sales.
(On second thought Interplay is just a name at this point, so if anything this is kind of bad news)
And to the people complaining about the game or Beamdog - Please now is not the time, Why didn't you complain before when they actually had control over the game, instead of now when they are having problems? - Just shut it instead, would you, and save it for when it would seem like genuine complaints, instead of some sort of campaign againts a company that already have enough problems on their hands as it is...
Is there a certain date (court hearing, auction date, or some such) after which, even if the matter is not resolved, you will better know where things are headed, and how long it'll take to get there (obviously a rough estimate rather than a specific date)?