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GameBanshee update on current situation

With the devs still on radio silence, we have to make due with whatever information comes our way.

GameBanshee has received new information pertaining to the Enhanced Edition project. Of note:

Apparently Beamdog hasn't paid Atari the royalties that they were owed, which led the publisher to ask them to pull the title from their services, and delay both Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition's patch and the release of the sequel's remastering.

Bear in mind, this is an unconfirmed report: a source within the industry provided it on condition of anonymity, Atari has not commented, and Trent Oster is still going with "We're working on it".

If true, though, it casts recent events in a completely different light, and - in my eyes - severely damages Beamdog's credibility...
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  • AnduinAnduin Member Posts: 5,745
    edited July 2013
    @Dee Can this rumour be put down and rubbished as quickly as it can please. Rumours like this are damaging.

    EDIT: Insightful given to the excellent sherlock holmes work of @Shawne . But I would have preferred happier news.
  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 22,754
    edited July 2013
    I don't believe it. Complete misrepresentation.

    Trent to Gamebanshee (regarding this unknown source): Silence child, allow the fool to make his judgement.
    Post edited by JuliusBorisov on
  • SionIVSionIV Member Posts: 2,689
    Gamebanshee usually doesn't get it that wrong in my experience. I doubt they would put something like that up unless there was some truth in it.
  • FeronasFeronas Member Posts: 11

    I personally think that we, the consumers, don't have anywhere near all of the facts. Drawing assumptions, pointing fingers or otherwise casting aspersions at any one party at this stage will accomplish little. Likewise trying to tear down someone based on little or no facts only creates stress on all sides.

    All in my personal opinion.

    You are my hero...you put it well together. This is a very good example of what is happening in my home country right now (Egypt), how rumors and speculations, and a horrible nasty deceiving media can do. Create conflicts, civilians deaths, chaos, unrest, illegally overthrowing an innocent leader and so on.

    :(
  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    edited July 2013
    Feronas said:

    You are my hero...you put it well together. This is a very good example of what is happening in my home country right now (Egypt), how rumors and speculations, and a horrible nasty deceiving media can do. Create conflicts, civilians deaths, chaos, unrest, illegally overthrowing an innocent leader and so on.

    :(

    There's a legal way to overthrow a leader?

  • FredjoFredjo Member Posts: 477
    My question would be, who with enough insight would leak out such information, as he'd surely know well enough that he's going to damage the negotiating position of Beamdog company. For now I take this information with 10^oo grains of salt, Beamdog has proved many times that it cares for their fans more than any company out there.
  • FeronasFeronas Member Posts: 11
    Quartz said:

    Feronas said:

    You are my hero...you put it well together. This is a very good example of what is happening in my home country right now (Egypt), how rumors and speculations, and a horrible nasty deceiving media can do. Create conflicts, civilians deaths, chaos, unrest, illegally overthrowing an innocent leader and so on.

    :(

    There's a legal way to overthrow a leader?

    I believe so yes, for example the parliament in this country can vote a president out if need be. Our parliamentary elections were due in 2 months time :( so sad
  • SapphireIce101SapphireIce101 Member Posts: 866
    I find this to be...really suspicious.

    To me the word 'unconfirmed' just screams out 'This is what I speculate is going on with the situation!'. Otherwise, if this news is true, then I'm just going to be rather disappointed.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    Can we really trust gamebanshee? I mean its been what? 7 months since the game came out and they still haven't updated the map on the BGEE section of their walkthrough.
  • SionIVSionIV Member Posts: 2,689
    elminster said:

    Can we really trust gamebanshee? I mean its been what? 7 months since the game came out and they still haven't updated the map on the BGEE section of their walkthrough.

    They haven't done anything that would take my trust away in them for the years i have used that site. They aren't always up to date with things on their walkthroughs, but the information tends to be accurate. I hope it's wrong in this case, but in my experience their track record is fine.

  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    SionIV said:

    elminster said:

    Can we really trust gamebanshee? I mean its been what? 7 months since the game came out and they still haven't updated the map on the BGEE section of their walkthrough.

    They haven't done anything that would take my trust away in them for the years i have used that site. They aren't always up to date with things on their walkthroughs, but the information tends to be accurate. I hope it's wrong in this case, but in my experience their track record is fine.

    Fair enough. This is the first time I've seen them post something they've actually investigated for themselves (beyond like an interview). Most of the time I've looked its just been links from other websites.
  • chbrookschbrooks Member Posts: 86
    "However it has to be noted that the circumstances surrounding this aren't clear at all. Something like Atari informally telling Beamdog that they could delay payment is hardly out of the realm of possibilities, but right now we have no elements to assume that, and this amounts to pure speculation."

    When the site itself emphasizes the speculative nature of the news, I think taking it with more than one grain of salt is called for.
  • FredjoFredjo Member Posts: 477
    chbrooks said:

    "However it has to be noted that the circumstances surrounding this aren't clear at all. Something like Atari informally telling Beamdog that they could delay payment is hardly out of the realm of possibilities, but right now we have no elements to assume that, and this amounts to pure speculation."

    When the site itself emphasizes the speculative nature of the news, I think taking it with more than one grain of salt is called for.

    10^oo grains of salt
  • Irish437Irish437 Member Posts: 16
    This would make sense that while Steam continues to sell the game, its been removed from Beamdog's site. Its not an issue with the game in general, its an issue with some party not being paid.
  • WorstUsernameEverWorstUsernameEver Member Posts: 1
    Just to clarify, when I talked about speculation I was referring to this paragraph: "Something like Atari informally telling Beamdog that they could delay payment is hardly out of the realm of possibilities".
  • MalicronMalicron Member Posts: 629
    This is... troubling, to say the least.
  • reedmilfamreedmilfam Member Posts: 2,808
    My understanding is that the Devs are not BeamDog - BeamDog is the publisher. If that is true (as far as the accusation is concerned), the Devs are essentially victims of whatever. I worry about the patch being a bargaining chip, but it makes sense to me, as it's the only collateral that the Devs seem to have. Anyway, hoping for a positive outcome.
  • FredjoFredjo Member Posts: 477

    My understanding is that the Devs are not BeamDog - BeamDog is the publisher. If that is true (as far as the accusation is concerned), the Devs are essentially victims of whatever. I worry about the patch being a bargaining chip, but it makes sense to me, as it's the only collateral that the Devs seem to have. Anyway, hoping for a positive outcome.

    From what I've read from the devs, Overhaul and Beamdog have common owners.
  • KaltzorKaltzor Member Posts: 1,050
    Somehow I find it unlikely that's what has been going on... While not an absolute impossibility, anyone willing to pick up a 12 year old game series and remake it better feels like they would do everything possible to keep the project going and not do anything stupid...

    Secondly, royalties to Atari? I was kind of under the impression that Atari and Hasbro let them do BG:EE so is paying to use the lisence needed?

    And lastly, my understanding is that Overhaul and Beamdog are the same people... Not just everyone there is a developer.
  • ajwzajwz Member Posts: 4,122
    I don't feel speculation is particularly helpful in matters such as these. I've been hesitant to put blame on either party until I know a great deal more.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    Aedan said:

    Well... I do not know how much credible this speculation is. I would like to remember that in the past Gamebanshee published an article where, according to "a trusted source", Dragon Age 2 would have included multiplayer mode and even the possibility to play... a dragon. If you consider this source "trusted"...

    Apparently that was Kotaku that they were getting that from. http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/105900-rumor-next-dragon-age-installment-to-feature-multiplayer.html
  • DafojkDafojk Member Posts: 111
    edited July 2013
    Fredjo said:

    My question would be, who with enough insight would leak out such information, as he'd surely know well enough that he's going to damage the negotiating position of Beamdog company. For now I take this information with 10^oo grains of salt, Beamdog has proved many times that it cares for their fans more than any company out there.

    I truly hope this is false information but..

    If this story is true, there probably wont be any "negotiations" because then it is simply down to Beamdog owing Atari money. IF Beamdog is struggling paying salaries, fixed costs etc. and therefore have delayed paying royalties to Atari then this could be the answer to why all work was stopped.

    Atari said stop ALL work.. you cant even release a patch.
  • DafojkDafojk Member Posts: 111
    edited July 2013
    @the_spyder

    I know that everything is speculation at the moment. But right now all information, facts, rumors - what ever comes out is still interesting to the community and the debate about this unfortunate situation.

    And I agree with you that this recent leak of information could be "spin" from either company.. however IF (again speculation) this turns out to be the case, then the matter of Beamdog buying the BG IP from Atari suddenly seems highly unlikely.

    I think Beamdog should release a statement.
  • Son_of_ImoenSon_of_Imoen Member Posts: 1,806
    edited July 2013
    What an awful lot of white noise gets generated when there's a lack of information. It's just like when a human brain is deprived of sensory information: it start's too spin it's own information. There's far too much speculation going on the last few weeks. The only thing I think reliable enough to listen to is the blue lines of Dee.

    *edit: think reliable, not find reliable. What the reliable finds were, we'll only now in hindsight an indetermined amount of time from now.
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